| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? 08:33 - Sep 2 with 6399 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Hear me out..
So my university are saying it’ll be mostly online learning again with some face to face when needed. My sports coaching course being online really doesn’t work. April - May of this year proved that. Not being allowed out to coach hinders a coaching course - obviously. Which got me thinking..
Considering how many deaths there have been in recent weeks, I wonder whether herd immunity would be the way to go with the intention being that it’s the fittest members of society such as students and adults under 40 (for example) with no health conditions being the ones to mix. A student like me is incredibly unlikely to die from Covid-19 looking at the statistics. With the daily death count being in single figures now, would it perhaps be worth opening places up and, providing it’s not a major second wave of actual deaths, letting the human immune system work its magic*. If suddenly students started to die in a rate of knots, the point has been proven and we should revert back to the current approach of basically no normal human interaction for however many years it takes. Which is sh*te but at least we would know. Some minimal risk I suppose but with high reward.
Can it be argued that it’s worth a try with the fittest members of society whilst it’s a single figure daily death count rather than possibly another year of no fans in stadiums, socially distanced pubs, university courses being significantly hindered, etc. 6 months ago things seemed very different but with the death count being almost nil per day now, is it not worth a try? Could the NHS cope if things got a bit worse? Would it cause a potential second wave? Is it worth the risk?
*Obviously this doesn’t include for the elderly or those with weaker immune systems.
Before anyone bites my head off, I’m purely thinking out loud so to speak and thought it would make an interesting, even if somewhat controversial, talking point for TWTD. I’m off to play golf in a bit so I’ll likely not reply until afterwards. I’m no medical expert obviously so I’m almost definitely wrong but it seems worth mentioning my theory. Also worth noting that just by me saying that, it doesn’t mean I’m not socially distancing and following the guidelines as we should - masks and all. Was just a topic for discussion. |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 10:09 - Sep 3 with 1558 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 15:31 - Sep 2 by itfcjoe |
I think we are at a stage where the vulnerable need to shield and the rest of us go about things as normal |
There in lies the problem. Where do you draw the line? |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 10:11 - Sep 3 with 1558 views | itfcjoe |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 10:09 - Sep 3 by Pinewoodblue |
There in lies the problem. Where do you draw the line? |
I think there needs to be a common courtesy shown - masks, social distancing etc where we can - but having to wear masks for hours on end is just too much. |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 11:28 - Sep 3 with 1533 views | Ryorry |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 10:11 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
I think there needs to be a common courtesy shown - masks, social distancing etc where we can - but having to wear masks for hours on end is just too much. |
There is absolutely *zero* respect paid by many people to social distancing, including postmen and the woman who turned out of a drive in her Landrover just ahead of me as I was walking my dog along the road yesterday, stopped with her nearside wheel 12 inches from my left foot, and yelled from the open window "excuse me". I walked a few feet on to get to 2m away, turned to answer her probable direction enquiry and she just drove off! |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 01:09 - Sep 9 with 1464 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Honestly think more and more people (based on the number of viral tweets) are coming round to the idea that we should just get on with it rather than a potential second lockdown. Am not surprised. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 05:39 - Sep 9 with 1438 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 01:09 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
Honestly think more and more people (based on the number of viral tweets) are coming round to the idea that we should just get on with it rather than a potential second lockdown. Am not surprised. |
“Just getting on with it” is In some way leading to the new measures announced yesterday on gathering sizes.
And its just the first step before they start shutting down certain industries again, if the initial slap on the wrist doesn’t work. |  | | |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 05:56 - Sep 9 with 1434 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 05:39 - Sep 9 by ElderGrizzly |
“Just getting on with it” is In some way leading to the new measures announced yesterday on gathering sizes.
And its just the first step before they start shutting down certain industries again, if the initial slap on the wrist doesn’t work. |
I’m just saying there’s been a lot of tweets that have gone viral in recent days of people asking/demanding/wanting everything opened and people to go about their lives as usual with the number of tests being so high but deaths so low. The argument that it now causes less deaths per week than the normal flu is a fair point I’d say tbf. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 06:55 - Sep 9 with 1401 views | gordon |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 01:09 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
Honestly think more and more people (based on the number of viral tweets) are coming round to the idea that we should just get on with it rather than a potential second lockdown. Am not surprised. |
Not seen any of these tweets, but the more people 'just get on with it' now, the harsher the restrictions will need to be in Oct - November, and the more it will feel like a second lockdown. |  | | |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 08:03 - Sep 9 with 1373 views | Herbivore |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 06:55 - Sep 9 by gordon |
Not seen any of these tweets, but the more people 'just get on with it' now, the harsher the restrictions will need to be in Oct - November, and the more it will feel like a second lockdown. |
Exactly. We've already eased a lot, people can go to pubs and restaurants, to shops, to the cinema, to bowling allies, round each other's houses. If people think things should be eased even further at a time when cases are going up rapidly and there's early signs of deaths starting to climb too (30 yesterday) then that is an incredibly ignorant and selfish attitude. It is frustrating for those of us that have continued to be cautious that we're likely to end up with longer and stricter lockdown because too many people think the rules don't really need to apply to them. |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:00 - Sep 9 with 1317 views | Ryorry |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 06:55 - Sep 9 by gordon |
Not seen any of these tweets, but the more people 'just get on with it' now, the harsher the restrictions will need to be in Oct - November, and the more it will feel like a second lockdown. |
I've almost given up on R5l lately apart from when live sport's on, but there was a v. interesting phone in with a couple of medics on Dotun Adebayo's show just after 2am this morning, including a Prof Gregg.
Basically he reiterated the basics, which I'd have thought would be obvious to all, but apparently not - ie people cannot catch the virus if they are socially distanced, wearing masks, and sanitise their hands before touching eyes/nose/mouth genitals. Also that no vaccine can return things to the old normal until it is more or less fully effective and administered to approx 85% of the population (can't remember exact %, but it was about that).
I completely understand that we need to get the economy going again, but the haphazard, do it-on-the-wing without thinking it all through chaotic approach by this incompetent Govt. is literally making everything worse - not least because the messages are so mixed/conflicting/double standard that the majority of people now disregard them. [Post edited 9 Sep 2020 12:01]
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:32 - Sep 9 with 1295 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 05:56 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m just saying there’s been a lot of tweets that have gone viral in recent days of people asking/demanding/wanting everything opened and people to go about their lives as usual with the number of tests being so high but deaths so low. The argument that it now causes less deaths per week than the normal flu is a fair point I’d say tbf. |
Is that argument factual though? Or just picking a week in August where it happened to be true?
Covid is clearly a bigger issue than flu.
And those people "demanding" normality, whatever that is, i'd suggest are the ignorant, selfish lot who can't be dealing with wearing a mask too. | | | |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:40 - Sep 9 with 1280 views | m14_blue |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:00 - Sep 9 by Ryorry |
I've almost given up on R5l lately apart from when live sport's on, but there was a v. interesting phone in with a couple of medics on Dotun Adebayo's show just after 2am this morning, including a Prof Gregg.
Basically he reiterated the basics, which I'd have thought would be obvious to all, but apparently not - ie people cannot catch the virus if they are socially distanced, wearing masks, and sanitise their hands before touching eyes/nose/mouth genitals. Also that no vaccine can return things to the old normal until it is more or less fully effective and administered to approx 85% of the population (can't remember exact %, but it was about that).
I completely understand that we need to get the economy going again, but the haphazard, do it-on-the-wing without thinking it all through chaotic approach by this incompetent Govt. is literally making everything worse - not least because the messages are so mixed/conflicting/double standard that the majority of people now disregard them. [Post edited 9 Sep 2020 12:01]
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Genitals????
I never knew that.
Totally agree with your post. |  | | |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:44 - Sep 9 with 1267 views | jeera |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 05:56 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’m just saying there’s been a lot of tweets that have gone viral in recent days of people asking/demanding/wanting everything opened and people to go about their lives as usual with the number of tests being so high but deaths so low. The argument that it now causes less deaths per week than the normal flu is a fair point I’d say tbf. |
That you are reverting back to the flu comparison shows you've not been following much at all.
This post also doesn't help with the others that have been made about younger people being blamed for having the wrong attitude towards the virus. |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:51 - Sep 9 with 1258 views | Ryorry |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:40 - Sep 9 by m14_blue |
Genitals????
I never knew that.
Totally agree with your post. |
The Prof didn't say that himself last night, I heard or read it somewhere in the early days & added it on tbh. Can't remember the source, but though I haven't seen it backed up, I haven't seen it disproved either. I assumed it's a matter of getting it onto/into the mucous membranes, but could be wrong given it's a respiratory system virus. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:53 - Sep 9 with 1257 views | Herbivore |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:51 - Sep 9 by Ryorry |
The Prof didn't say that himself last night, I heard or read it somewhere in the early days & added it on tbh. Can't remember the source, but though I haven't seen it backed up, I haven't seen it disproved either. I assumed it's a matter of getting it onto/into the mucous membranes, but could be wrong given it's a respiratory system virus. |
Eugh. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 13:18 - Sep 9 with 1236 views | Ryorry |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:53 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
Eugh. |
Quite.
Don't see any point in anyone personally testing it out tho! | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 15:59 - Sep 9 with 1201 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 12:44 - Sep 9 by jeera |
That you are reverting back to the flu comparison shows you've not been following much at all.
This post also doesn't help with the others that have been made about younger people being blamed for having the wrong attitude towards the virus. |
Eh? I never said I was someone in that category - just that there was a lot of people (of all ages) demanding we return to normality. The point about deaths is a fair point.
As I said in the OP, don’t bite my head off for this. It’s just a talking point. Would have for you to get your knickers in a twist Jeera. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 17:32 - Sep 9 with 1169 views | TractorWood |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 08:03 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
Exactly. We've already eased a lot, people can go to pubs and restaurants, to shops, to the cinema, to bowling allies, round each other's houses. If people think things should be eased even further at a time when cases are going up rapidly and there's early signs of deaths starting to climb too (30 yesterday) then that is an incredibly ignorant and selfish attitude. It is frustrating for those of us that have continued to be cautious that we're likely to end up with longer and stricter lockdown because too many people think the rules don't really need to apply to them. |
Agree and sensible post. Only thing I'd say is that is the rise in cases more of an inevitability than people dropping their guard or being lax? Same pattern is happening everywhere in the world by the looks of it.
I'm in the Lake District at the moment and everywhere is rightly pretty militant on visors, track and trace and sanitiser everywhere. Suffolk is far more lax. |  |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 17:35 - Sep 9 with 1168 views | jeera |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 15:59 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
Eh? I never said I was someone in that category - just that there was a lot of people (of all ages) demanding we return to normality. The point about deaths is a fair point.
As I said in the OP, don’t bite my head off for this. It’s just a talking point. Would have for you to get your knickers in a twist Jeera. |
Do what? I made a fair comment based on your post.
It made perfect sense.
Don't start getting all whiny over nothing.
You left the board for a while because the regular chat about the virus was causing anxiety - that's understandable.
But it also means you missed the zillion threads on the subject and so are somewhat behind. It also means that once again you speak with authority on things you seem to have missed. Again.
Please don't say stupid things towards me. It's not appreciated. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 17:52 - Sep 9 with 1159 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 17:35 - Sep 9 by jeera |
Do what? I made a fair comment based on your post.
It made perfect sense.
Don't start getting all whiny over nothing.
You left the board for a while because the regular chat about the virus was causing anxiety - that's understandable.
But it also means you missed the zillion threads on the subject and so are somewhat behind. It also means that once again you speak with authority on things you seem to have missed. Again.
Please don't say stupid things towards me. It's not appreciated. |
‘Whiny’, ‘stupid things’, ‘speak with authority’
There’s no need for confrontation all the time though. I’m relaxed, calm and simply making discussion. In this case I wasn’t even giving my viewpoint. I was simply saying that going by twitter, there are a lot of angry people at the prospect of carrying on in the manner that we are.
If you don’t want a discussion with any confrontational language, let’s leave it there. I am perfectly civil and content. | |
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| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 17:55 - Sep 9 with 1157 views | gordon |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 15:59 - Sep 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
Eh? I never said I was someone in that category - just that there was a lot of people (of all ages) demanding we return to normality. The point about deaths is a fair point.
As I said in the OP, don’t bite my head off for this. It’s just a talking point. Would have for you to get your knickers in a twist Jeera. |
Not sure quite what the point about deaths is, but if it's a variation on: 'seatbelts have made cars so safe that there's not even any point in seatbelts anymore.'
Then it might not be that great. | | | |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 21:03 - Sep 9 with 1108 views | Bluesquid |
| Would herd immunity at this point be any good? on 11:53 - Sep 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Or eradication. But that will require sacrifices that people in the west seem unable to make. Short term sacrifices, but sacrifices nonetheless. |
Is this where the UK is headed?
Also talk today from Johnson regarding 'Covid-secure' enforcers across England.
Just flatten the curve they said... | | | |
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