| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events 19:39 - Sep 2 with 11468 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
A mate I just bumped into is related to one of the Under 18’s.
He claims that in March when it was pretty obvious we were done as far as the playoffs were concerned Lambert was fully expecting to be gone.
Lockdown happens and at that stage it was still assumed season would complete meaning whatever clause Evans has means he can get rid a lot cheaper once season finished and we missed out. Lambert made absolutely no effort with any of the players (loosely fits what I read here earlier about him having to be cajoled by coaches to have meetings) and the players were far from happy with lots of things on the communication front, in addition to worrying about their futures, COVID and so on.
This set the tone for players who were already largely unhappy with him anyway realising that he didn’t care about them now he was off and as soon as the season was settled on PPG and it dawned that he couldn’t / wouldn’t be got rid of the damage was done and since then it’s been a very weird atmosphere.
No idea if that’s true but can’t see why he wouldn’t have a good idea of what happened and since then it seems that players have realised they are all against him which is why they are speaking freely now with no respect left as they sense he will soon be gone anyway.
What an absolute mess if it’s true. But seems that period between thinking he was off and realising the season would be completed on PPG somehow changed things - maybe the wording of the contract in that the season didn’t complete?
Can’t see how the contract would be worded differently. Surely PPG is the season completed. Maybe Evans changed his tune due to the pandemic and uncertainty?
Rings a little true but too many holes. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 19:55 - Sep 2 with 6521 views | hype313 |
Seems to be along the lines of what others have said and also sounds plausible, why oh why didn't Evans pull the trigger once the season was over  |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:01 - Sep 2 with 6435 views | gordon |
Feels very Marcus Evans, that. He'll inadvertently manage to time the inevitable decision to just the precise moment when its too much of a job for anyone to come in, turn it round and get us promoted, as well. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:04 - Sep 2 with 6398 views | ArnieM |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 19:55 - Sep 2 by hype313 |
Seems to be along the lines of what others have said and also sounds plausible, why oh why didn't Evans pull the trigger once the season was over |
As I’ve said before , Evans probably can’t pull the trigger yet because CoVid stopped the season snd technically Lambert is probably therefore not breach of some if the clauses Evans has Installed in PL’s 5 year contract . The effects of CoVid, I suggest, has so far prevented Evans from acting . To pull the trigger without a clause being breached ,( despite all he is at fault for, Lambert can’t be blamed for CoVid it the season being brought to and end), would technically see Evans significantly out of pocket with what he’d probably be legally obliged to pay PL.
Problem is the situation appears to now be untenable at PR between the manager and staff/ players. Evans has a problem doesn’t he! |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:12 - Sep 2 with 6325 views | Chrisd |
IF true, another example of ME’s ineptitude as an owner and highlights once again his poor judgement. Firstly, the length of PL’s contract, secondly the timing of it and lastly we appear in a right mess currently, but ME isn’t going to do anything about it as it’s going to cost him as that ludicrous contract has come back and bit him hard. Something needs to give because this negative vibe could have a huge impact on our season and things need to be nipped in the bud and quickly. However, our owner has shown he’s not proactive and just allows things to drift, this could have terminal implications. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 20:21]
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:23 - Sep 2 with 6199 views | deano85 |
Sounds about right
'technically, however unlikely, we coukd have still reached playoffs... As it never got to the point where promotion was a definate loss, he wouldn't have been able to sack him... | | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:27 - Sep 2 with 6164 views | gordon |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:12 - Sep 2 by Chrisd |
IF true, another example of ME’s ineptitude as an owner and highlights once again his poor judgement. Firstly, the length of PL’s contract, secondly the timing of it and lastly we appear in a right mess currently, but ME isn’t going to do anything about it as it’s going to cost him as that ludicrous contract has come back and bit him hard. Something needs to give because this negative vibe could have a huge impact on our season and things need to be nipped in the bud and quickly. However, our owner has shown he’s not proactive and just allows things to drift, this could have terminal implications. [Post edited 2 Sep 2020 20:21]
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He is thoroughly inept, a master of letting matters drift listlessly, and the new contract was absurd, but he did catch an unlucky break with COVID given the situation. | | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:28 - Sep 2 with 6153 views | Chrisd |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:23 - Sep 2 by deano85 |
Sounds about right
'technically, however unlikely, we coukd have still reached playoffs... As it never got to the point where promotion was a definate loss, he wouldn't have been able to sack him... |
We were never making the play offs, our form was that of a relegation threatened side and had been for some considerable time, we were dropping like a stone. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:29 - Sep 2 with 6116 views | J2BLUE |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:28 - Sep 2 by Chrisd |
We were never making the play offs, our form was that of a relegation threatened side and had been for some considerable time, we were dropping like a stone. |
Irrelevant. Ask Wycombe. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:34 - Sep 2 with 6072 views | londontractorboy57 |
What an unholy mess this club has got into | | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:39 - Sep 2 with 6024 views | BryanPlug |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:40 - Sep 2 with 6014 views | Chrisd |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:34 - Sep 2 by londontractorboy57 |
What an unholy mess this club has got into |
Until we get a buyer and an owner that has a real passion for us as a club, we just aren’t going anywhere fast. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:41 - Sep 2 with 6012 views | NotMarcusEvans |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:34 - Sep 2 by londontractorboy57 |
What an unholy mess this club has got into |
Let's not start turning on our first choice goalkeeper |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:59 - Sep 2 with 5856 views | Ftnfwest |
All sounds feasible but of course isn’t mentioned when we had a decent performance for instance at Colchester or even the two prem teams, only after a poor one at cambridge and the mucking about this week. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:36 - Sep 2 with 5576 views | El_Fenix |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:40 - Sep 2 by Chrisd |
Until we get a buyer and an owner that has a real passion for us as a club, we just aren’t going anywhere fast. |
Marcus Evans and his companies have loaned ITFC approximately £100 million that is no doubt accruing interest (paid or unpaid).
No-one will buy these loans from him at anything other than a huge discount. Evans himself will not walk away from an asset that has significant book value - especially since his primary businesses have been devastated by Covid.
In a worst case scenario, ITFC may be forced into administration. |  |
| ITFC shall rise like a phoenix from the ashes of its long decline! |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:39 - Sep 2 with 5552 views | pointofblue |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:04 - Sep 2 by ArnieM |
As I’ve said before , Evans probably can’t pull the trigger yet because CoVid stopped the season snd technically Lambert is probably therefore not breach of some if the clauses Evans has Installed in PL’s 5 year contract . The effects of CoVid, I suggest, has so far prevented Evans from acting . To pull the trigger without a clause being breached ,( despite all he is at fault for, Lambert can’t be blamed for CoVid it the season being brought to and end), would technically see Evans significantly out of pocket with what he’d probably be legally obliged to pay PL.
Problem is the situation appears to now be untenable at PR between the manager and staff/ players. Evans has a problem doesn’t he! |
Almost getting to the point where Evans is hoping that the players will make the atmosphere so uncomfortable for Lambert that he’ll walk. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:39 - Sep 2 with 5542 views | J2BLUE |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:36 - Sep 2 by El_Fenix |
Marcus Evans and his companies have loaned ITFC approximately £100 million that is no doubt accruing interest (paid or unpaid).
No-one will buy these loans from him at anything other than a huge discount. Evans himself will not walk away from an asset that has significant book value - especially since his primary businesses have been devastated by Covid.
In a worst case scenario, ITFC may be forced into administration. |
Evans himself will not walk away from an asset that has significant book value
It can never be repaid until we get to the Prem which under Evans is impossible. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:52 - Sep 2 with 5438 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Not for one but saying what you are saying isn’t true. Only you know whether it’s true or false.
This forum has suddenly seen a massive surge however in these ‘rumours’, that are now coming out following the past week, in what in reality we’re non-events, it seems people are trying to turn in to major events. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:57 - Sep 2 with 5366 views | BryanPlug |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:39 - Sep 2 by pointofblue |
Almost getting to the point where Evans is hoping that the players will make the atmosphere so uncomfortable for Lambert that he’ll walk. |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:17 - Sep 2 with 5227 views | RegencyBlue |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:39 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
Evans himself will not walk away from an asset that has significant book value
It can never be repaid until we get to the Prem which under Evans is impossible. |
And that is the paradox we find ourselves in.
Evans cannot or will not sell but at the same time the longer he stays the worse it gets and the less attractive we seem to any potential buyer in the future if he does eventually decide he wants out.
We are royally screwed! |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 with 5036 views | jeera |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 21:52 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Not for one but saying what you are saying isn’t true. Only you know whether it’s true or false.
This forum has suddenly seen a massive surge however in these ‘rumours’, that are now coming out following the past week, in what in reality we’re non-events, it seems people are trying to turn in to major events. |
This crops up every time any word comes out of the club.
It isn't difficult to believe that human beings speak to one another in a work environment or/and about work in a separate environment.
It is known that several posters know people in and around the club.
They're only people.
We had all this before when the same posters made it clear quite early on that things weren't right with Hurst. They went through the same grilling then and the same pattern of disbelief by others who for some reason had an issue with it.
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 with 5026 views | J2BLUE |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:17 - Sep 2 by RegencyBlue |
And that is the paradox we find ourselves in.
Evans cannot or will not sell but at the same time the longer he stays the worse it gets and the less attractive we seem to any potential buyer in the future if he does eventually decide he wants out.
We are royally screwed! |
There must be some sort of deal that can be done though. On ME's balance sheet we should be listed as a liability instead of an asset. We lose money every year and have very little chance of getting to the Prem for him to see a return on his investment.
Surely a deal could be structured were Evans sells the club for a small fee and is repaid the money he has put in based on our success. Lets say he's put in £75m of his own actual money (not the book value of the assets), why couldn't we pay back £0.5m per season in the Championship and £5m per season in the Prem until he is paid back all or an acceptable part of his outlay?
In the current situation no one is winning including Evans. Maybe he could even retain a 10% stake and use the club for his hospitality stuff in future if we get back to a decent level.
There must be ways of doing a deal. If he's waiting for someone to come and slap down £50m-£100m in cash he's going to be waiting a long time. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:52 - Sep 2 with 4957 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
There must be some sort of deal that can be done though. On ME's balance sheet we should be listed as a liability instead of an asset. We lose money every year and have very little chance of getting to the Prem for him to see a return on his investment.
Surely a deal could be structured were Evans sells the club for a small fee and is repaid the money he has put in based on our success. Lets say he's put in £75m of his own actual money (not the book value of the assets), why couldn't we pay back £0.5m per season in the Championship and £5m per season in the Prem until he is paid back all or an acceptable part of his outlay?
In the current situation no one is winning including Evans. Maybe he could even retain a 10% stake and use the club for his hospitality stuff in future if we get back to a decent level.
There must be ways of doing a deal. If he's waiting for someone to come and slap down £50m-£100m in cash he's going to be waiting a long time. |
£500k a season will take 150 years to pay back £75m if my maths is correct.... |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:58 - Sep 2 with 4915 views | jeera |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:52 - Sep 2 by ITFC_Forever |
£500k a season will take 150 years to pay back £75m if my maths is correct.... |
Rich people tend to live long lives. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:18 - Sep 2 with 4820 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 by jeera |
This crops up every time any word comes out of the club.
It isn't difficult to believe that human beings speak to one another in a work environment or/and about work in a separate environment.
It is known that several posters know people in and around the club.
They're only people.
We had all this before when the same posters made it clear quite early on that things weren't right with Hurst. They went through the same grilling then and the same pattern of disbelief by others who for some reason had an issue with it.
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I just can’t understand it.
I spoke only yesterday how I became friends with a first team player when they moved down here under Paul Hurst, I was asked to help him settle by a mutual mate who was playing with him at his old team.
I’ve seen him tonight, I’ve literally been round and had a bite to eat with him, his good lady, my good lady and 2 kids, but he doesn’t sit there and tell me how SHlT life is at training and around the football club all the time.
So when I see all these ‘stories’ are suddenly emerging, I do sit and scratch my head, and think, well it’s not the opinion I was was getting, nowhere near as strong as what these stories are making out to be anyway. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:27 - Sep 2 with 4777 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:18 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I just can’t understand it.
I spoke only yesterday how I became friends with a first team player when they moved down here under Paul Hurst, I was asked to help him settle by a mutual mate who was playing with him at his old team.
I’ve seen him tonight, I’ve literally been round and had a bite to eat with him, his good lady, my good lady and 2 kids, but he doesn’t sit there and tell me how SHlT life is at training and around the football club all the time.
So when I see all these ‘stories’ are suddenly emerging, I do sit and scratch my head, and think, well it’s not the opinion I was was getting, nowhere near as strong as what these stories are making out to be anyway. |
The thing is there's people on here who have a proven track record for years knowing the ongoings vs you that doesnt. So naturally we believe those who have been proven right before. | | | |
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