| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events 19:39 - Sep 2 with 11470 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
A mate I just bumped into is related to one of the Under 18’s.
He claims that in March when it was pretty obvious we were done as far as the playoffs were concerned Lambert was fully expecting to be gone.
Lockdown happens and at that stage it was still assumed season would complete meaning whatever clause Evans has means he can get rid a lot cheaper once season finished and we missed out. Lambert made absolutely no effort with any of the players (loosely fits what I read here earlier about him having to be cajoled by coaches to have meetings) and the players were far from happy with lots of things on the communication front, in addition to worrying about their futures, COVID and so on.
This set the tone for players who were already largely unhappy with him anyway realising that he didn’t care about them now he was off and as soon as the season was settled on PPG and it dawned that he couldn’t / wouldn’t be got rid of the damage was done and since then it’s been a very weird atmosphere.
No idea if that’s true but can’t see why he wouldn’t have a good idea of what happened and since then it seems that players have realised they are all against him which is why they are speaking freely now with no respect left as they sense he will soon be gone anyway.
What an absolute mess if it’s true. But seems that period between thinking he was off and realising the season would be completed on PPG somehow changed things - maybe the wording of the contract in that the season didn’t complete?
Can’t see how the contract would be worded differently. Surely PPG is the season completed. Maybe Evans changed his tune due to the pandemic and uncertainty?
Rings a little true but too many holes. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:38 - Sep 2 with 3784 views | Melford |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 by jeera |
This crops up every time any word comes out of the club.
It isn't difficult to believe that human beings speak to one another in a work environment or/and about work in a separate environment.
It is known that several posters know people in and around the club.
They're only people.
We had all this before when the same posters made it clear quite early on that things weren't right with Hurst. They went through the same grilling then and the same pattern of disbelief by others who for some reason had an issue with it.
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Ipswich is a small town, most of the players and staff live there and they have neighbours or are mates with with them. Information gets passed on, but people are careful with it because they don't wan't grass up their source of information. I bet Joe and Texters could give some amazing accounts of what they've heard has gone on at ITFC in the last couple of years. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:51 - Sep 2 with 3749 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:27 - Sep 2 by haynes_toe1 |
The thing is there's people on here who have a proven track record for years knowing the ongoings vs you that doesnt. So naturally we believe those who have been proven right before. |
I don’t know exactly how long I have actually been on TWTD now, read it for well over a decade, forum I think a year or so.
I think I probably don’t qualify for your ‘track record’ because I choose not to post every time I have a conversation with him, more as it because it feels we are just having a chin wag, and don’t think “ooo I must get that written on TWTD later” in some form a journalistic manner. But of course everyone is different with what they are told etc. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 00:30 - Sep 3 with 3697 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:04 - Sep 2 by ArnieM |
As I’ve said before , Evans probably can’t pull the trigger yet because CoVid stopped the season snd technically Lambert is probably therefore not breach of some if the clauses Evans has Installed in PL’s 5 year contract . The effects of CoVid, I suggest, has so far prevented Evans from acting . To pull the trigger without a clause being breached ,( despite all he is at fault for, Lambert can’t be blamed for CoVid it the season being brought to and end), would technically see Evans significantly out of pocket with what he’d probably be legally obliged to pay PL.
Problem is the situation appears to now be untenable at PR between the manager and staff/ players. Evans has a problem doesn’t he! |
He can pull the trigger whenever he wants. He just has to decide if the cost to him and the club is worth it. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 01:04 - Sep 3 with 3678 views | Illinoisblue |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:17 - Sep 2 by RegencyBlue |
And that is the paradox we find ourselves in.
Evans cannot or will not sell but at the same time the longer he stays the worse it gets and the less attractive we seem to any potential buyer in the future if he does eventually decide he wants out.
We are royally screwed! |
Indeed. Said it many times; the man keeping us alive is also killing us. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 06:31 - Sep 3 with 3571 views | textbackup |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:04 - Sep 2 by ArnieM |
As I’ve said before , Evans probably can’t pull the trigger yet because CoVid stopped the season snd technically Lambert is probably therefore not breach of some if the clauses Evans has Installed in PL’s 5 year contract . The effects of CoVid, I suggest, has so far prevented Evans from acting . To pull the trigger without a clause being breached ,( despite all he is at fault for, Lambert can’t be blamed for CoVid it the season being brought to and end), would technically see Evans significantly out of pocket with what he’d probably be legally obliged to pay PL.
Problem is the situation appears to now be untenable at PR between the manager and staff/ players. Evans has a problem doesn’t he! |
Evans can pull the trigger when he wants, but his problem is the contract HE put the cnt on!
And the money it’ll cost him.
Typical of ME’s dogsht ownership |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 06:54 - Sep 3 with 3534 views | Atractorive |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:18 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I just can’t understand it.
I spoke only yesterday how I became friends with a first team player when they moved down here under Paul Hurst, I was asked to help him settle by a mutual mate who was playing with him at his old team.
I’ve seen him tonight, I’ve literally been round and had a bite to eat with him, his good lady, my good lady and 2 kids, but he doesn’t sit there and tell me how SHlT life is at training and around the football club all the time.
So when I see all these ‘stories’ are suddenly emerging, I do sit and scratch my head, and think, well it’s not the opinion I was was getting, nowhere near as strong as what these stories are making out to be anyway. |
If it is one of Hurst's signings, maybe he is just feeling extremely lucky and grateful to still be attached to the club on a decent salary.
Or maybe he is taking the sensible option of not blabbing about unrest at the club to a fan.
Just too many different things going about now to suggest that everything is tickety-boo, but that is my opinion of course. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 07:58 - Sep 3 with 3435 views | jeera |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:18 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I just can’t understand it.
I spoke only yesterday how I became friends with a first team player when they moved down here under Paul Hurst, I was asked to help him settle by a mutual mate who was playing with him at his old team.
I’ve seen him tonight, I’ve literally been round and had a bite to eat with him, his good lady, my good lady and 2 kids, but he doesn’t sit there and tell me how SHlT life is at training and around the football club all the time.
So when I see all these ‘stories’ are suddenly emerging, I do sit and scratch my head, and think, well it’s not the opinion I was was getting, nowhere near as strong as what these stories are making out to be anyway. |
But you're still saying 'stories'.
So the guy you know doesn't talk. Great, good for him, or otherwise.
He's also human and we all have our traits and gripes. Or not.
I have posted on this before but for the sake of the conversation; I have been in a car with a [past] club employee chatting away on loud speaker on the way home from a match at PR for pity's sake.
I suppose it could be said he was trusting, but there were 3 of us and he only knew the driver.
He was merrily telling us about how a particular player was about to be shown the door.
Maybe he was a bit of a gossip, maybe he liked holding the info himself, maybe he just didn't care who knew. I don't know. But he was right in what he said.
Another time I was out walking my dogs and bumped into a neighbour who had a kid in the academy. A kid in the academy; that shouldn't mean a thing should it? How does that connect to the first team and club goings on for goodness sake?
Yet what he had to tell me that day was absolutely correct. No big deal to him. He already knew.
Like I say, people are people. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:17 - Sep 3 with 3381 views | Herbivore |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:18 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I just can’t understand it.
I spoke only yesterday how I became friends with a first team player when they moved down here under Paul Hurst, I was asked to help him settle by a mutual mate who was playing with him at his old team.
I’ve seen him tonight, I’ve literally been round and had a bite to eat with him, his good lady, my good lady and 2 kids, but he doesn’t sit there and tell me how SHlT life is at training and around the football club all the time.
So when I see all these ‘stories’ are suddenly emerging, I do sit and scratch my head, and think, well it’s not the opinion I was was getting, nowhere near as strong as what these stories are making out to be anyway. |
Thing is, you're making it up. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:23 - Sep 3 with 3360 views | itfcjoe |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 23:51 - Sep 2 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I don’t know exactly how long I have actually been on TWTD now, read it for well over a decade, forum I think a year or so.
I think I probably don’t qualify for your ‘track record’ because I choose not to post every time I have a conversation with him, more as it because it feels we are just having a chin wag, and don’t think “ooo I must get that written on TWTD later” in some form a journalistic manner. But of course everyone is different with what they are told etc. |
Most people, even those who do hear things, don't choose to post every time they hear something - I know I certainly don't. If anything the stuff you hear directly is left there because it's not really fair on the person you speak to as not usually difficult to work out.
But, like under Hurst, there comes a time when if you are someone who does speak to a few people then it becomes an avalanche of information from all angles that you feel more comfortable putting bits out there as there aren't direct links back to people.
Currently, some of the stuff I'm hearing is mental, how it can go on is ridiculous.
But even looking at this 'photo-gate' which is very much the tip of the iceberg - Taylor has come and said it was lies, when the crux of the story was very much true. it shows the environment there, and now rather than look inwards as to why this story is getting out, they are intent on finding the 'snake' who leaked it. Again, another insight into the culture that is in place.
Anyone close to the club, or inside the club, knows this is all going to come crashing down in the next few weeks - it really is 'when' not 'if' - it is utterly ridiculous that we are starting a season like this, and another failing from Evans. Results alone were enough to show Lambert isn't up to the task, let alone what has gone on since. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:30 - Sep 3 with 3327 views | PJH |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:23 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
Most people, even those who do hear things, don't choose to post every time they hear something - I know I certainly don't. If anything the stuff you hear directly is left there because it's not really fair on the person you speak to as not usually difficult to work out.
But, like under Hurst, there comes a time when if you are someone who does speak to a few people then it becomes an avalanche of information from all angles that you feel more comfortable putting bits out there as there aren't direct links back to people.
Currently, some of the stuff I'm hearing is mental, how it can go on is ridiculous.
But even looking at this 'photo-gate' which is very much the tip of the iceberg - Taylor has come and said it was lies, when the crux of the story was very much true. it shows the environment there, and now rather than look inwards as to why this story is getting out, they are intent on finding the 'snake' who leaked it. Again, another insight into the culture that is in place.
Anyone close to the club, or inside the club, knows this is all going to come crashing down in the next few weeks - it really is 'when' not 'if' - it is utterly ridiculous that we are starting a season like this, and another failing from Evans. Results alone were enough to show Lambert isn't up to the task, let alone what has gone on since. |
As others have said in the thread I think TWTD readers get to know who's 'def info' to believe and who's to doubt-I certainly do.
I think ME must be regretting giving PL that five year contract and all it entails because based on results alone (rather than off field things) PL should no longer be here. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:37 - Sep 3 with 3288 views | Dubtractor |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 01:04 - Sep 3 by Illinoisblue |
Indeed. Said it many times; the man keeping us alive is also killing us. |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:43 - Sep 3 with 3268 views | sundaze |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:17 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
Thing is, you're making it up. |
You need to take some time out Herbie. You got a slap on the wrist from Phil the other day for having a go at a "new poster" who happened to have been on here longer than you.
Now you are accusing another poster of "making it up", let's face it, nearly all the football posts at the moment are guess work at the best.
Just let it go, get some fresh air and clear your head. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:48 - Sep 3 with 3244 views | jeera |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:43 - Sep 3 by sundaze |
You need to take some time out Herbie. You got a slap on the wrist from Phil the other day for having a go at a "new poster" who happened to have been on here longer than you.
Now you are accusing another poster of "making it up", let's face it, nearly all the football posts at the moment are guess work at the best.
Just let it go, get some fresh air and clear your head. |
Although tbf you could address the subject too.
You are as guilty here if you go down that route.
What do you think considering there has been a great deal of discussion many times on the information that is leaked? Why do some posters insist on calling others - who are clearly genuine, reliable people - liars?
And what do you make of it all at the moment, especially regarding what's going on? | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:49 - Sep 3 with 3233 views | Herbivore |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:43 - Sep 3 by sundaze |
You need to take some time out Herbie. You got a slap on the wrist from Phil the other day for having a go at a "new poster" who happened to have been on here longer than you.
Now you are accusing another poster of "making it up", let's face it, nearly all the football posts at the moment are guess work at the best.
Just let it go, get some fresh air and clear your head. |
Thanks for the unsolicited advice. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 09:09 - Sep 3 with 3169 views | Herbivore |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:48 - Sep 3 by jeera |
Although tbf you could address the subject too.
You are as guilty here if you go down that route.
What do you think considering there has been a great deal of discussion many times on the information that is leaked? Why do some posters insist on calling others - who are clearly genuine, reliable people - liars?
And what do you make of it all at the moment, especially regarding what's going on? |
This is it really isn't it. People should scrutinise source material and look at a variety of information and draw their own conclusions about what seems plausible and what doesn't seem to fit. Given that even Phil is now saying he thinks the sack is closer than previously thought and given some of the stuff coming out of the club directly and indirectly it's pretty obvious it's not a happy camp right now.
When one of the few people still backing Lambert suddenly claims to have an inside source who, contrary to everyone else, says actually everything is fine I don't think it's unreasonable to disbelieve said poster, especially when taking that poster's posting history into account in contrast to the history of the other sources. Clearly this kind of scrutinising of sources isn't okay in Brexit Britain. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 09:11 - Sep 3 with 3158 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:23 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
Most people, even those who do hear things, don't choose to post every time they hear something - I know I certainly don't. If anything the stuff you hear directly is left there because it's not really fair on the person you speak to as not usually difficult to work out.
But, like under Hurst, there comes a time when if you are someone who does speak to a few people then it becomes an avalanche of information from all angles that you feel more comfortable putting bits out there as there aren't direct links back to people.
Currently, some of the stuff I'm hearing is mental, how it can go on is ridiculous.
But even looking at this 'photo-gate' which is very much the tip of the iceberg - Taylor has come and said it was lies, when the crux of the story was very much true. it shows the environment there, and now rather than look inwards as to why this story is getting out, they are intent on finding the 'snake' who leaked it. Again, another insight into the culture that is in place.
Anyone close to the club, or inside the club, knows this is all going to come crashing down in the next few weeks - it really is 'when' not 'if' - it is utterly ridiculous that we are starting a season like this, and another failing from Evans. Results alone were enough to show Lambert isn't up to the task, let alone what has gone on since. |
Let's be honest. Taylor isn't going to say anything to the press is he? |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 09:29 - Sep 3 with 3112 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 20:39 - Sep 2 by BryanPlug |
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Well yes, evidence is certainly useful if you want to prove something. Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
Having said that, there are a couple of people I believe without them posting evidence - Joe and Phil. Both have given me food for thought in recent days, which I trust.
I think it's healthy to have scepticism when things like this start coming out. There are fantasists who want the attention of being 'in the know' (I'm not saying the OP is like this, I don't know either way), so it would be folly just to believe everything (because you want to believe it). |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 10:51 - Sep 3 with 2974 views | J2BLUE |
I'm not suggesting you made this up OP but I think this is the story most of us would come up with given what we know. There's no major lightbulb point which makes it all fit together. Just a lot that people were already speculating about.
Again not accusing you of making it up but wonder if this person has filled in the blanks themselves. |  |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 10:57 - Sep 3 with 2947 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:23 - Sep 3 by itfcjoe |
Most people, even those who do hear things, don't choose to post every time they hear something - I know I certainly don't. If anything the stuff you hear directly is left there because it's not really fair on the person you speak to as not usually difficult to work out.
But, like under Hurst, there comes a time when if you are someone who does speak to a few people then it becomes an avalanche of information from all angles that you feel more comfortable putting bits out there as there aren't direct links back to people.
Currently, some of the stuff I'm hearing is mental, how it can go on is ridiculous.
But even looking at this 'photo-gate' which is very much the tip of the iceberg - Taylor has come and said it was lies, when the crux of the story was very much true. it shows the environment there, and now rather than look inwards as to why this story is getting out, they are intent on finding the 'snake' who leaked it. Again, another insight into the culture that is in place.
Anyone close to the club, or inside the club, knows this is all going to come crashing down in the next few weeks - it really is 'when' not 'if' - it is utterly ridiculous that we are starting a season like this, and another failing from Evans. Results alone were enough to show Lambert isn't up to the task, let alone what has gone on since. |
I mean I wouldn’t speak on who I speak to, as I said, he’s more a friend these days, and we don’t sit there and just talk about Ipswich for 2/3 hours, it would be very odd.
We know the club is a circus run outfit right now though, so there is no real surprise to hear some of the stories.
Job seems untenable now mind you, but I haven’t heard he will be sacked prior to BR. [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 10:59]
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 11:23 - Sep 3 with 2869 views | itfcjoe |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 10:57 - Sep 3 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
I mean I wouldn’t speak on who I speak to, as I said, he’s more a friend these days, and we don’t sit there and just talk about Ipswich for 2/3 hours, it would be very odd.
We know the club is a circus run outfit right now though, so there is no real surprise to hear some of the stories.
Job seems untenable now mind you, but I haven’t heard he will be sacked prior to BR. [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 10:59]
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No, me neither - it is just more a case of how untenable can things get before trigger pulled - what is the point in waiting? | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:52 - Sep 3 with 2737 views | PhilTWTD |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 22:43 - Sep 2 by J2BLUE |
There must be some sort of deal that can be done though. On ME's balance sheet we should be listed as a liability instead of an asset. We lose money every year and have very little chance of getting to the Prem for him to see a return on his investment.
Surely a deal could be structured were Evans sells the club for a small fee and is repaid the money he has put in based on our success. Lets say he's put in £75m of his own actual money (not the book value of the assets), why couldn't we pay back £0.5m per season in the Championship and £5m per season in the Prem until he is paid back all or an acceptable part of his outlay?
In the current situation no one is winning including Evans. Maybe he could even retain a 10% stake and use the club for his hospitality stuff in future if we get back to a decent level.
There must be ways of doing a deal. If he's waiting for someone to come and slap down £50m-£100m in cash he's going to be waiting a long time. |
He's not. As has been stated on plenty of occasions during his time here, the loans weren't taken out with the expectation they'd be repaid and there's no chance they will be in the current circumstances. They will almost certainly be written off in the event of a sale, although there may be some provision for him to be paid further sums if the club reaches the Premier League. |  | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:55 - Sep 3 with 2720 views | PhilTWTD |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 08:49 - Sep 3 by Herbivore |
Thanks for the unsolicited advice. |
To be fair, as per the post the other day, there's not really the need to go in studs high on people whether you believe what they're posting or otherwise. | | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:56 - Sep 3 with 2700 views | J2BLUE |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:52 - Sep 3 by PhilTWTD |
He's not. As has been stated on plenty of occasions during his time here, the loans weren't taken out with the expectation they'd be repaid and there's no chance they will be in the current circumstances. They will almost certainly be written off in the event of a sale, although there may be some provision for him to be paid further sums if the club reaches the Premier League. |
As has been stated on plenty of occasions during his time here,
Consider me reprimanded. | |
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| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:59 - Sep 3 with 2679 views | PhilTWTD |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:56 - Sep 3 by J2BLUE |
As has been stated on plenty of occasions during his time here,
Consider me reprimanded. |
Sorry, wasn't meant to sound like that! It's just that the debt really isn't a big issue in terms of the club being sold on. | | | |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 14:00 - Sep 3 with 2667 views | J2BLUE |
| Heard a rumour that makes a little bit of sense alongside other events on 13:59 - Sep 3 by PhilTWTD |
Sorry, wasn't meant to sound like that! It's just that the debt really isn't a big issue in terms of the club being sold on. |
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