| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? 22:07 - Sep 5 with 5571 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:46 - Sep 5 with 1055 views | clive_baker |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:34 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
mental health ffs. we are talking about moving football clubs here. not a fcking long life threatening illness. |
The lads 21, with a history of challenging mental health and anxiety. He's quite likely got a new agent in one ear, perhaps the club in another, facing the prospect of moving to South London, questioning if he's good enough for the step up, fit enough, mentally strong enough. Over thinking. It's all speculation but frankly it's harsh to be critical of Downes for having a week off without knowing the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't jump to the conclusion he's throwing a paddy and forcing a move. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:46 - Sep 5 with 1068 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:19 - Sep 5 by clive_baker |
Think that's a little harsh to be fair. He's openly spoken in the past about struggling with the mental side of football and with anxiety, and if he needs a bit of time then I'm pleased to see the club are taking its responsibility towards him seriously.
As for the OP, if he's staying then he's one of the first names on the team sheet. A trio of Downes, Bishop and Dozzell would be very interesting for me. I just want to see energy and creativity in the middle. We were so pedestrian last season with the likes of Skuse & Huws in there looking like they were wearing lead boots and running through treacle. |
Should have read this first. Said similar |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:51 - Sep 5 with 1056 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:34 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
mental health ffs. we are talking about moving football clubs here. not a fcking long life threatening illness. |
Not to sound patronising but I think you are misunderstanding how mental health works and who it can effect irrespective of wealth etc.
Nobody knows if that is the case but as has been pointed out he did have a previous issue. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt here mainly because everything you ever here if him and from him suggests he's an exceptionally genuine young man who loves the club and loves football. [Post edited 5 Sep 2020 22:53]
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:53 - Sep 5 with 1044 views | textbackup |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:51 - Sep 5 by Terry_Nutkins |
Not to sound patronising but I think you are misunderstanding how mental health works and who it can effect irrespective of wealth etc.
Nobody knows if that is the case but as has been pointed out he did have a previous issue. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt here mainly because everything you ever here if him and from him suggests he's an exceptionally genuine young man who loves the club and loves football. [Post edited 5 Sep 2020 22:53]
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I read your above post and agree.
However, just doesn't sit right with me personally. It is what it is though |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:56 - Sep 5 with 1043 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:42 - Sep 5 by J2BLUE |
I'll be less impressed If if he's still here next Sunday but doesn't want to play. To be fair to him there's no suggestion that's the case. If they haven't come back with a third bid by then it's not Town's fault. |
To be fair, I would be a little bit miffed if come next Sunday he’s still not ready to play. He needs to understand we have a valuation, a fair one I believe, and if that is met we send you with our best wishes, if not you will still be an Ipswich Town player, and continue to perform for Ipswich Town.
I think that’s reasonable on all accounts, and I think I did read that Evans has had this direct conversation with Downes. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:57 - Sep 5 with 1037 views | BryanPlug |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:45 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
ah right so because I don't agree with it im not fit to comment? strange stance to take.
career pressure, work pressure..... you regard this to be a pressure do you? seriously....
Hes a young single lad, no kids to consider, just him.
we all know how this ends, our club gets shafted, and wont get the money we deserve. and many soft touch fans will be ok with this because Flynn got the move and his mental health is now at ease. |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:58 - Sep 5 with 1037 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:45 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
ah right so because I don't agree with it im not fit to comment? strange stance to take.
career pressure, work pressure..... you regard this to be a pressure do you? seriously....
Hes a young single lad, no kids to consider, just him.
we all know how this ends, our club gets shafted, and wont get the money we deserve. and many soft touch fans will be ok with this because Flynn got the move and his mental health is now at ease. |
If you do not understand mental health (which your comments so far suggest you do not), then you are not fit to comment on mental health issues. If you think that strange so be it.
I don't think selling him for under £2M is the way this is heading and certainly no one defending him being given a week off is giving any impression they will be ok with it were it to happen. I certainly wouldn't be. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:02 - Sep 5 with 1027 views | Godzilla |
Not a big fan of players whose heads are turned so soon in their careers and so easily too, shame really as he's looking so useful to us, but we often credit players with more sense than they really have in their greedy heads (and their agents too) so good luck to him and good bye, we will progress without his turned big head. |  | | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:12 - Sep 5 with 995 views | Suffolktractor |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:58 - Sep 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If you do not understand mental health (which your comments so far suggest you do not), then you are not fit to comment on mental health issues. If you think that strange so be it.
I don't think selling him for under £2M is the way this is heading and certainly no one defending him being given a week off is giving any impression they will be ok with it were it to happen. I certainly wouldn't be. |
ITFC will not stand in Downes way if Palace come up with a sensible valuation.
But if Palace and/or Downes new agent try to use mental health issues to engineer a deal in their favour then that is the lowest of the low.
From what little I know of the situation I think the club are handling the issue very well and should be commended for it. | | | |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:28 - Sep 5 with 985 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:33 - Sep 5 by J2BLUE |
No issue with him missing the two cup games. I strongly suspect his new agent is pushing him and his other clients to move just in case the football bubble bursts. I'm sure he's been fed stories about second waves and money drying up etc. I don't have an issue with him. If you look at it from his point of view it makes perfect sense to leave for a Premier League club. I suspect he will be signed and loaned to a Championship club within 48 hours of signing.
I do have an issue with Palace though. They obviously know the fee. For the sake of a million or so they are going to let this drag on and bully us into letting him go on the cheap. I would love Evans to stand up to them and contact them Monday and tell them there are 28 days of the window left. If you want him you have 8 days to buy him for £xm up front in cash. Every day it goes beyond this the fee goes up £50,000 because we are not going to be bullied by his agent and Palace and see him leave for £2m on deadline day.
Yes I know we are league one. Yes I know they have money. So what? That proposal is perfectly fair. We can't replace him thanks to the wage cap and our chances of going up take a massive dent so why not do it? Tell Downes the situation and that they have 8 days to get the deal done at that price. It's then on Palace. |
Downes is no mug, he's fully complicit in appointing a new agent in order to engineer a move. Let's not pretend he isn't.
But that's fair enough, it's his career. Palace now need to put up or shut up.
If they don't come up with the goods, then let's put it behind us and get him back in the side. [Post edited 5 Sep 2020 23:29]
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:30 - Sep 5 with 983 views | SitfcB |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:44 - Sep 5 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
No one has suggested we are a charity, and Flynn won’t be leaving until the valuation meets our standards, we are under no pressure to sell what so ever, no one has suggested we should let him go for peanuts. |
Yes but he should understand that and say fair enough, if you don’t get what you want then I’m prepared to stay, get my head down and play. Not throw a wobbly. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:32 - Sep 5 with 974 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:56 - Sep 5 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
To be fair, I would be a little bit miffed if come next Sunday he’s still not ready to play. He needs to understand we have a valuation, a fair one I believe, and if that is met we send you with our best wishes, if not you will still be an Ipswich Town player, and continue to perform for Ipswich Town.
I think that’s reasonable on all accounts, and I think I did read that Evans has had this direct conversation with Downes. |
I think he'll make himself available to play next week if palace haven't stepped up to the plate.
If he doesn't, then he's effectively on strike. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:34 - Sep 5 with 971 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:20 - Sep 5 by BlueBadger |
If the lad wants to go, let him go and good luck to him, he owes us nothing. If he can't go for whatever reason, he's our player and he plays, we cheer him on. Like the rest if our players. |
Correct, he owes us nothing, but the fee needs to reflect his market value. It works both ways, we owe him nothing. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:34 - Sep 5 with 967 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:25 - Sep 5 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Let him go on the cheap? The valuation is currently insulting.
We don’t produce academy talents to just flog them as if it’s a fire sale.
If the right figure comes in, absolutely I would hold no grudges for him leaving, but we need to make sure that we get our fair slice of the cake on the deal.
And when the deal is right for both parties, then he goes with the best wishes. |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:36 - Sep 5 with 968 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:30 - Sep 5 by SitfcB |
Yes but he should understand that and say fair enough, if you don’t get what you want then I’m prepared to stay, get my head down and play. Not throw a wobbly. |
But has he ‘thrown a wobbly’?
Is there anything to say that the week away wasn’t lamberts idea to let him clear his head? I’m sure a lot of managers would suggest such a thing with two meaningless cup games the only thing he misses.
I hope he stays. If he does, I’ve no doubt he’d play for the shirt like he always has. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:40 - Sep 5 with 954 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:46 - Sep 5 by Terry_Nutkins |
Totally get the frustrations but I'm think I'm right in saying he has had a few issues mentally before (mental health). I think he's both a tough boy but also a bit emotionally sensitive at times. I think football means a lot to him and he takes it seriously and it can get in his head.
Mick talked about it and so did he and they made that decision to send him out to Luton and out of the spotlight a little bit also he was beating himself up at the time.
I get what you are saying I really do but at the same time he's a young boy and a human being and I think the right thing is being done here. If Flynn stays he will be giving everything for the club until he does go in the end. Think that is how he is wired. |
Young boy is stretching it a bit, but I get where you are coming from.
But if he's not gone by Thursday he needs to be making himself available to play. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:45 - Sep 5 with 948 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:30 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
"if his advisors are guiding him on how to “force through a deal” by withdrawing from matches"
we are talking football agents here..... surely nobody can be so naive to think this isn't the case? just signed for this guy, he's making a quick few quid, and making his new client richer in the process. |
I suspect the very reason he has appointed the new agent is because said agent has promised he could deliver an exit.
Downes is engineering this as much as his agents are.
And that's fair enough, it's his career. As you say, naive to think that's not what's happening.
Appoints new agent.
Bids come in.
Says he wants to leave.
Can't play cos heads not right.
Thats the first chapter of the transfer text book. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:49 - Sep 5 with 951 views | ITFC_96 |
Some of the comments on here are just 
It is a team 2 divisions above us and he is going to make a lot more money there, even if he goes on loan. Every single one of you would want to move if you were in his position. Stop blaming him for wanting to leave like he has shot someone. | | | |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:50 - Sep 5 with 944 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:31 - Sep 5 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
No no that’s not fair, money has no correlation to the state of someone’s mental health.
In regards to looking after him since he was 9, correct, and we brought him in to the first, provided that long term deal, so we have to make sure we get our fair slice of the cake in the deal, and Flynn needs to understand and respect that as well. [Post edited 5 Sep 2020 22:32]
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I think everyone is jumping to conclusions re the mental health link.
Let's not focus too much on that angle.
Fair enough he's taking a few days off as he is distracted by the transfer that he's looking to engineer. He's not suggested that it's anything more serious than that.
Speculation is part and parcel of the game, and as a nearly 22 year old pro in his 4th season of 1st team football he will appreciate that. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:51 - Sep 5 with 943 views | textbackup |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:36 - Sep 5 by The_Romford_Blue |
But has he ‘thrown a wobbly’?
Is there anything to say that the week away wasn’t lamberts idea to let him clear his head? I’m sure a lot of managers would suggest such a thing with two meaningless cup games the only thing he misses.
I hope he stays. If he does, I’ve no doubt he’d play for the shirt like he always has. |
time will only tell if hes to throw a wobbly..... I really hope he doesnt | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:53 - Sep 5 with 937 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:49 - Sep 5 by ITFC_96 |
Some of the comments on here are just
It is a team 2 divisions above us and he is going to make a lot more money there, even if he goes on loan. Every single one of you would want to move if you were in his position. Stop blaming him for wanting to leave like he has shot someone. |
1. I don't think anyone on here begrudges him the move.
2. No one suggest they wouldn't do the same.
3. Points 1 and 2 are utterly irrelevant if Palace don't come up with a sensible offer. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:54 - Sep 5 with 937 views | ArnieM |
Stick in the U23’s. “ my heads not tight”, shyte. He clearly doesn’t want to be a Town player , heads been turned by big bucks. Well he can do one. Don’t want players in the first team who are not committed to this Club. Play players who are , eg Dobra, El Mizouni etc. .
Downes has proved nothing yet, except he was the best of a very bad bunch - PL? “ yer avin a laugh”! |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:58 - Sep 5 with 929 views | SitfcB |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:36 - Sep 5 by The_Romford_Blue |
But has he ‘thrown a wobbly’?
Is there anything to say that the week away wasn’t lamberts idea to let him clear his head? I’m sure a lot of managers would suggest such a thing with two meaningless cup games the only thing he misses.
I hope he stays. If he does, I’ve no doubt he’d play for the shirt like he always has. |
Maybe wobbly is the wrong word?
He’s thrown something as he’s put a transfer request in and said he didn’t want to play. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:00 - Sep 6 with 934 views | ITFC_96 |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:53 - Sep 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
1. I don't think anyone on here begrudges him the move.
2. No one suggest they wouldn't do the same.
3. Points 1 and 2 are utterly irrelevant if Palace don't come up with a sensible offer. |
You what? There are plenty of people begrudging him for this and acting like they would stay at the club "out of principle". Being a footballer is a career like any other career and clubs are also a business. The vast majority of people want to get ahead in their careers and in the same vein, clubs, like businesses, will also happily dispose of players when they are not needed. | | | |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:03 - Sep 6 with 919 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:46 - Sep 5 by clive_baker |
The lads 21, with a history of challenging mental health and anxiety. He's quite likely got a new agent in one ear, perhaps the club in another, facing the prospect of moving to South London, questioning if he's good enough for the step up, fit enough, mentally strong enough. Over thinking. It's all speculation but frankly it's harsh to be critical of Downes for having a week off without knowing the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't jump to the conclusion he's throwing a paddy and forcing a move. |
I don't think he has said that he has a history of challenging mental health.
He gave an interview saying that he was over thinking things etc, and had some anxiety. But he's not said that he suffers from depression or anything.
His interview was more an acknowledgement that he suffers the type of mental health issues that most people do in everyday life.
To suggest he has a history of 'challenging mental health' seems to be over egging it somewhat.
Also consider that the current transfer situation is of his own making, along with his agent. [Post edited 6 Sep 2020 0:04]
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