| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? 22:07 - Sep 5 with 5569 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
Back in the fold or out in the cold? |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:04 - Sep 6 with 1100 views | clive_baker |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:58 - Sep 5 by SitfcB |
Maybe wobbly is the wrong word?
He’s thrown something as he’s put a transfer request in and said he didn’t want to play. |
Has he said he doesn't want to play?
"I have spoken to him and told him to have a couple of days off. It will give him time to clear his head and then he’ll be back with us again next week".
Sounds like it was Lambert that proposed that.
Downes has handed in a transfer request, he wants to leave. Fair enough, there's interest from the Premier League and I don't think anyone begrudges that. The club wants a fair price for him, also fair enough. I think it's a bit unfair for people to make out like he's gone on strike, when it sounds like it's not him that's forced that. I would imagine he'll be back in the squad next weekend. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:05 - Sep 6 with 1102 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:00 - Sep 6 by ITFC_96 |
You what? There are plenty of people begrudging him for this and acting like they would stay at the club "out of principle". Being a footballer is a career like any other career and clubs are also a business. The vast majority of people want to get ahead in their careers and in the same vein, clubs, like businesses, will also happily dispose of players when they are not needed. |
You must be reading a different thread and trying to create your own narrative.
Most posters that I have read just want to see us receive a fee that reflects the market.
That's all. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:06 - Sep 6 with 1100 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 22:53 - Sep 5 by textbackup |
I read your above post and agree.
However, just doesn't sit right with me personally. It is what it is though |
Fair play for reading and taking other points on board mate.
The whole Palace low ball bids dont sid right with me though not like its a n uncommon tactic to get players from lower leagues. Once the player is unsettled wrestle the power from seller to buyer.
You are right, time will tell especially if he stays.
Im sure the agent is also in his ear "you may never get this chance again etc". |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:10 - Sep 6 with 1091 views | clive_baker |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:03 - Sep 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think he has said that he has a history of challenging mental health.
He gave an interview saying that he was over thinking things etc, and had some anxiety. But he's not said that he suffers from depression or anything.
His interview was more an acknowledgement that he suffers the type of mental health issues that most people do in everyday life.
To suggest he has a history of 'challenging mental health' seems to be over egging it somewhat.
Also consider that the current transfer situation is of his own making, along with his agent. [Post edited 6 Sep 2020 0:04]
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Don't think anyone has mentioned depression, unless I've missed that?
Just anxiety and self doubt. Not uncommon, to varying degrees. I think people are getting carried away over nothing tbh. He's handed in a transfer request, I don't think there's any evidence he's downed tools and refusing to play. Sounded like it was Lambert that gave him a few days off because it's probably all a bit overwhelming. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:13 - Sep 6 with 1085 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:10 - Sep 6 by clive_baker |
Don't think anyone has mentioned depression, unless I've missed that?
Just anxiety and self doubt. Not uncommon, to varying degrees. I think people are getting carried away over nothing tbh. He's handed in a transfer request, I don't think there's any evidence he's downed tools and refusing to play. Sounded like it was Lambert that gave him a few days off because it's probably all a bit overwhelming. |
"Challenging mental health" suggests something more than the norm, such as depression.
But fair enough if that's not what you meant.
I don't think Downes has said anything to suggest that he suffers from mental health issues any more than any other player, so I'm just saying that shouldnt really be a focus of this thread. Especially as he has seemingly encouraged the Palace interest. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:19 - Sep 6 with 1082 views | clive_baker |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:13 - Sep 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"Challenging mental health" suggests something more than the norm, such as depression.
But fair enough if that's not what you meant.
I don't think Downes has said anything to suggest that he suffers from mental health issues any more than any other player, so I'm just saying that shouldnt really be a focus of this thread. Especially as he has seemingly encouraged the Palace interest. |
He's had counselling for his anxiety. Again that's not hugely uncommon but I do think he's potentially a little fragile mentally, and although he's not a household name by any means he's in the public eye, and none of us understand the pressures that brings.
He definitely wants the move, hence the transfer request. I don't think many resent that, especially from a Premier League club. It's a great opportunity for him, but our club is well within its rights to hold out for the right price. He'll only really be judged on how he conducts himself through it and if he's still here when the window closes I would fully expect him to put it behind him and give his all. I've not seen any evidence that he wouldn't do that. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:29 - Sep 6 with 1076 views | ITFC_96 |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:05 - Sep 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
You must be reading a different thread and trying to create your own narrative.
Most posters that I have read just want to see us receive a fee that reflects the market.
That's all. |
I mean in general, look at the comments on the news posts regarding this and there are many examples. | | | |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:30 - Sep 6 with 1070 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:19 - Sep 6 by clive_baker |
He's had counselling for his anxiety. Again that's not hugely uncommon but I do think he's potentially a little fragile mentally, and although he's not a household name by any means he's in the public eye, and none of us understand the pressures that brings.
He definitely wants the move, hence the transfer request. I don't think many resent that, especially from a Premier League club. It's a great opportunity for him, but our club is well within its rights to hold out for the right price. He'll only really be judged on how he conducts himself through it and if he's still here when the window closes I would fully expect him to put it behind him and give his all. I've not seen any evidence that he wouldn't do that. |
Agreed, if he stays I'm sure he will get his head down and play even better. That's the only way to make sure his career goes in the direction he wants it to.
I don't think he would sulk, as the only person that would damage in the long run would be himself. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 08:43 - Sep 6 with 989 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:29 - Sep 6 by ITFC_96 |
I mean in general, look at the comments on the news posts regarding this and there are many examples. |
Always avoid the news comments!! | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 08:48 - Sep 6 with 985 views | MaySixth |
We have to hold out until we get the right fee.
Hugely important to the club. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 09:39 - Sep 6 with 959 views | Terry_Nutkins |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 00:13 - Sep 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"Challenging mental health" suggests something more than the norm, such as depression.
But fair enough if that's not what you meant.
I don't think Downes has said anything to suggest that he suffers from mental health issues any more than any other player, so I'm just saying that shouldnt really be a focus of this thread. Especially as he has seemingly encouraged the Palace interest. |
Dont think anyone is suggesting a major mental health issue i.e. Breakdown. Just that he probably should be given the benefit of the doubt that his head really isnt in a great place and missing a game or two is probably the right call.
Lets see what happens. Generally these things tend to go the way of the player moving on but palace are miles off so good chance he'll stay..i think if another club like West Ham come in it will definitely happen.
Suspect £3.5mil ish might do it with add ons and sell on. | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 10:36 - Sep 6 with 922 views | Herbivore |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:50 - Sep 5 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think everyone is jumping to conclusions re the mental health link.
Let's not focus too much on that angle.
Fair enough he's taking a few days off as he is distracted by the transfer that he's looking to engineer. He's not suggested that it's anything more serious than that.
Speculation is part and parcel of the game, and as a nearly 22 year old pro in his 4th season of 1st team football he will appreciate that. |
Says the man jumping to conclusions about how Downes is engineering a move and appotned his new agent specifically to do so. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 11:18 - Sep 6 with 896 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 23:30 - Sep 5 by SitfcB |
Yes but he should understand that and say fair enough, if you don’t get what you want then I’m prepared to stay, get my head down and play. Not throw a wobbly. |
I agree, and hopefully when he returns Monday he is prepared to knuckle down and continue to work. Right now I have no issue with him having 4 days off to miss a first round cup game, if he misses the first league game I’d start to get a little miffed, we’ve given him that break to reset. Palace aren’t going to put up the money, Flynn must knuckle down | |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 11:43 - Sep 6 with 880 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
Out in the cold for me. Handing in a transfer request means he doesn't want to be here. This season is critical for our future, so only need players here who want to play for ITFC. The sooner he leaves the better for all concerned. |  | | |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 12:06 - Sep 6 with 866 views | J2BLUE |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 11:43 - Sep 6 by IpswichBoyBlue |
Out in the cold for me. Handing in a transfer request means he doesn't want to be here. This season is critical for our future, so only need players here who want to play for ITFC. The sooner he leaves the better for all concerned. |
'This season is critical for our future'
So lets leave our best player 'out in the cold'? Come on mate. Where do you work? If a rival company came in, offered to quadruple your salary and train you to be one of the best in your field how quickly would your letter of resignation be handed in?
We must stop looking at situations like this with such bias and try and see things from the player's side. We would all love a team of Ipswich super fans who played for the love of the shirt but it's not reality. Most of the former players in and around the club now who we think of as 100% Ipswich like Dyer, Bramble etc left the club to benefit their careers. |  |
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| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 12:16 - Sep 6 with 845 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
| What’s the general standpoint on Downes here? on 12:06 - Sep 6 by J2BLUE |
'This season is critical for our future'
So lets leave our best player 'out in the cold'? Come on mate. Where do you work? If a rival company came in, offered to quadruple your salary and train you to be one of the best in your field how quickly would your letter of resignation be handed in?
We must stop looking at situations like this with such bias and try and see things from the player's side. We would all love a team of Ipswich super fans who played for the love of the shirt but it's not reality. Most of the former players in and around the club now who we think of as 100% Ipswich like Dyer, Bramble etc left the club to benefit their careers. |
Not saying for one second that we should stand in his way. He has handed in a request to leave, which will be accepted once the right offer comes in. Making him stay would be wrong for all concerned as would not letting him leave. If we do not get out of this league this season, it is only going to get harder and harder to do so in the future. I only want players in Town shirts who are totally committed to the cause of promotion. Yes Downes is our best player, but we have a squad that should still be good enough. Playing him sends out all the wrong signals for me. Will he not be concerned about injury for instance? Will he give his all in games? Probably not. Downes is only better if he is totally committed, which I do not think he would be. Everybody keeps banging on about how big a squad we have, so why not play one that actually wants to be here? Sorry, but for me, he should be left out until he leaves. | | | |
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