| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 14:00 - Sep 15 with 2927 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:56 - Sep 15 by J2BLUE |
Oh and in the middle of a pandemic when we have no crowds and had to issue loads of refunds. It just gets better. |
I'd still stick him in the reserves. |  | |  |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 14:48 - Sep 15 with 2890 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:05 - Sep 15 by ElderGrizzly |
And from the reactions in this thread, the clubs approach to pushing the focus onto Downes appears to have worked.
Their wording today won't have been a mistake. |
Happy for him to be thrown under the bus with no right of reply |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:11 - Sep 15 with 2854 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:49 - Sep 15 by MonkeyAlan |
I wouldnt cut him any slack. We all have to do our job whether we are happy or not. Refusing to play, if that's the case, should mean he gets his wages docked. He isnt a kid. And we shouldnt be held to ransom by him or his agent. Stick him in the reserves for the season. He wont be in the shop window at all then. |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:14 - Sep 15 with 2848 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:51 - Sep 15 by J2BLUE |
We would lose our best player, get no fee, have to keep paying him, damage the relationship with him irreparably and then have to sell him for a couple of hundred thousand next summer...
Apart from that, brilliant plan  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:15 - Sep 15 with 2845 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 14:48 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Happy for him to be thrown under the bus with no right of reply |
It will be interesting to hear what his take on it is, but a month ago he was saying he'd "hopefully" still be here, which doesn't really sit terribly flush with requesting to leave two weeks later. He's not the first and he won't be the last, but it's not entirely unreasonable to assume he might have been a bit of a tit. |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:17 - Sep 15 with 2837 views | Herbivore |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 13:51 - Sep 15 by J2BLUE |
We would lose our best player, get no fee, have to keep paying him, damage the relationship with him irreparably and then have to sell him for a couple of hundred thousand next summer...
Apart from that, brilliant plan |
This one has to be amongst the worst new 'comedy' creations we've seen on here in a while. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:23 - Sep 15 with 2817 views | ArnieM |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:38 - Sep 15 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Whoever is at fault, he needs to be back in the matchday squad.
No excuses whatsoever. |
Would tend to disagree with you I’m afraid. FD has decided his future lays elsewhere, and he has essentially turned his back on this Club and his team mates.
Let him keep,his fitness up in the U23’ s until we get the offer we deem good enough.
He was “man” enough to get a new agent , and is this agent who has turned his head on the back of “ I’ll get you a bumper deal son, you’ll be set u0 for life”. Fine. But this Club wants a decent return in their investment in him . Town have created and developed Downes t9 wha5 he is now. No one else. So we want a return on that investment. If he can’t understand that , then he’s thick. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 15:27 - Sep 15 with 2810 views | jayessess |
It could just as easily be Lambert who's thrown his toys out of the pram, couldn't it? It's not like it would be out of character. [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 15:27]
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 16:10 - Sep 15 with 2773 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 14:48 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Happy for him to be thrown under the bus with no right of reply |
Feels harsh that they keep responding to questions. Quite often clubs simply refuse to comment and say there's been no change.
The cynical part of me thinks that by turning the fans against Downes we won't kick off about accepting a much reduced fee for him. | | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 16:22 - Sep 15 with 2756 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 16:10 - Sep 15 by haynes_toe1 |
Feels harsh that they keep responding to questions. Quite often clubs simply refuse to comment and say there's been no change.
The cynical part of me thinks that by turning the fans against Downes we won't kick off about accepting a much reduced fee for him. |
Not really in anyone's interest for us to lay the groundwork for a lower fee, is it? | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 16:25 - Sep 15 with 2750 views | howdonblue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:01 - Sep 15 by JammyDodgerrr |
I think he's been advised really badly by his agent, to be honest. Told him this would force the move when Palace clearly won't meet our valuation. |
Sounds like it.
He's not showing anyone how good he is sat in the stands not playing though is he |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:23 - Sep 15 with 2690 views | BryanPlug |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 14:48 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Happy for him to be thrown under the bus with no right of reply |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:24 - Sep 15 with 2689 views | Keaneish |
It’s ridiculous as it whenever a player does this. You’re a professional athlete. Get your head down and play as you’re contracted to and should be passionate about doing so. Everything else should take care of itself. No good will come of this situation now. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:31 - Sep 15 with 2684 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:24 - Sep 15 by Keaneish |
It’s ridiculous as it whenever a player does this. You’re a professional athlete. Get your head down and play as you’re contracted to and should be passionate about doing so. Everything else should take care of itself. No good will come of this situation now. |
Not even Lambert and Taylor have accused Downes of refusing to play, have they?
It was Lambert who said he'd given Downes time to clear his head. It's Lambert and Taylor who've said "they don't know if he wants to play". Neither statement claimed they'd asked Downes to play and he'd refused. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:46 - Sep 15 with 2662 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:31 - Sep 15 by jayessess |
Not even Lambert and Taylor have accused Downes of refusing to play, have they?
It was Lambert who said he'd given Downes time to clear his head. It's Lambert and Taylor who've said "they don't know if he wants to play". Neither statement claimed they'd asked Downes to play and he'd refused. |
If you read between the lines of what both have said it very much looks like Downes is the one who's decided not to play.
Whether that's because his head's all over the place or he's been advised by his agent not to play and avoid risking injury, we can only speculate.
Lambert might have rested him to get his head straight but you'd expect him to be back by now, and these comments don't look good (if true). He's our best player, so I see no reason why Lambert would choose to not play him.
It sounds like the management team is pissed off frankly, and I'd put money on his new agent being the problem from what Lambert has said about "I don't know who's advising him."
I really hope Downes hasn't become billy big-bowlocks. That would be a real shame. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:55 - Sep 15 with 2642 views | gordon |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:46 - Sep 15 by BrixtonBlue |
If you read between the lines of what both have said it very much looks like Downes is the one who's decided not to play.
Whether that's because his head's all over the place or he's been advised by his agent not to play and avoid risking injury, we can only speculate.
Lambert might have rested him to get his head straight but you'd expect him to be back by now, and these comments don't look good (if true). He's our best player, so I see no reason why Lambert would choose to not play him.
It sounds like the management team is pissed off frankly, and I'd put money on his new agent being the problem from what Lambert has said about "I don't know who's advising him."
I really hope Downes hasn't become billy big-bowlocks. That would be a real shame. |
I think it's probably best to not draw too strong a conclusion in situations where we've only heard one side put forward. |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 19:04 - Sep 15 with 2629 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:46 - Sep 15 by BrixtonBlue |
If you read between the lines of what both have said it very much looks like Downes is the one who's decided not to play.
Whether that's because his head's all over the place or he's been advised by his agent not to play and avoid risking injury, we can only speculate.
Lambert might have rested him to get his head straight but you'd expect him to be back by now, and these comments don't look good (if true). He's our best player, so I see no reason why Lambert would choose to not play him.
It sounds like the management team is pissed off frankly, and I'd put money on his new agent being the problem from what Lambert has said about "I don't know who's advising him."
I really hope Downes hasn't become billy big-bowlocks. That would be a real shame. |
Why would you trust Lambert enough to read between the lines as generously as that?
It's just as plausible that Lambert and Taylor aren't saying Downes refused to play because ... he hasn't refused to play. Neither is it beyond the realm of possibility that it was Lambert who got angry at the transfer request and is now refusing to pick Downes because he's in one of his moods. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:04 - Sep 16 with 2536 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 19:04 - Sep 15 by jayessess |
Why would you trust Lambert enough to read between the lines as generously as that?
It's just as plausible that Lambert and Taylor aren't saying Downes refused to play because ... he hasn't refused to play. Neither is it beyond the realm of possibility that it was Lambert who got angry at the transfer request and is now refusing to pick Downes because he's in one of his moods. |
"Asked if Downes was ready to play, if selected, for tomorrow night’s match against Fulham at Portman Road, Taylor replied: “As I said to you last Tuesday, that’s an answer for Flynn to give."
That's Taylor saying that, not Lambert. And it very much looks like it's Flynn who is requesting not to play. There's really not that much reading between the lines required. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:16 - Sep 16 with 2526 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 18:23 - Sep 15 by BryanPlug |
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Not really, but if even I know who is advising Flynn Downes as his agent, then you can be clear that when Lambert says "I don't know who is advising him" then he is clearly lying - especially when conversations have taken place between them.
Downes was at the game on Sunday, he has been training all week, he did the full warm down with the players who didn't play after the game - I certainly wouldn't be jumping all over him currently. There is clearly a lot we aren't aware of, and if you have ever spoken to any player at any level you end up having more sympathy with their side of things.
Of course players have been on 'strike' before, and it isn't always them in the right, but you generally find more often than not the fact that everyone else gets to control narrative and they have to keep schtum leaves them painted in the worst light | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:16 - Sep 16 with 2527 views | hype313 |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:42 - Sep 15 by BrixtonBlue |
It doesn't sound good from what Taylor's saying and what Lambert has hinted at.
Flynn's young and has never been in this situation before, so we have to cut him a bit of slack. But if he's refusing to play that really is unprofessional. |
Indeed, Stuart Watson, Keiron and Lambert have all said he's being badly advised.
Given Keiron's experience and the fact that he's down at Playford Road quite a bit, you would have thought that as much as it's none of his business, he could offer some wise words from experience.
He mentioned himself he had the opportunity to go Leeds and Chelsea and Shepard said no and he just carried on playing well and being professional. |  |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:31 - Sep 16 with 2511 views | SamWhiteUK |
Yeah, he's starting to piss me off now, but I got down-voted when I called him out the other day. He should be playing, he's being f*cking paid to. |  | | |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:42 - Sep 16 with 2491 views | jayessess |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:04 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
"Asked if Downes was ready to play, if selected, for tomorrow night’s match against Fulham at Portman Road, Taylor replied: “As I said to you last Tuesday, that’s an answer for Flynn to give."
That's Taylor saying that, not Lambert. And it very much looks like it's Flynn who is requesting not to play. There's really not that much reading between the lines required. |
Ultimately, it's a meaningless no comment answer. It's literal meaning would be that the management haven't even asked Downes if he wants to play (which would be bizarre, but again not actually out of character for this management team).
It doesn't "look like" anything because there's no actual information in there and it's only the perspective of our (thoroughly untrustworthy) management team. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:28 - Sep 16 with 2457 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:42 - Sep 16 by jayessess |
Ultimately, it's a meaningless no comment answer. It's literal meaning would be that the management haven't even asked Downes if he wants to play (which would be bizarre, but again not actually out of character for this management team).
It doesn't "look like" anything because there's no actual information in there and it's only the perspective of our (thoroughly untrustworthy) management team. |
You seem to be bringing your agenda with you. If it was anyone other than Lambert you'd be saying it looks like the player doesn't want to play. | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:32 - Sep 16 with 2453 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 09:16 - Sep 16 by itfcjoe |
Not really, but if even I know who is advising Flynn Downes as his agent, then you can be clear that when Lambert says "I don't know who is advising him" then he is clearly lying - especially when conversations have taken place between them.
Downes was at the game on Sunday, he has been training all week, he did the full warm down with the players who didn't play after the game - I certainly wouldn't be jumping all over him currently. There is clearly a lot we aren't aware of, and if you have ever spoken to any player at any level you end up having more sympathy with their side of things.
Of course players have been on 'strike' before, and it isn't always them in the right, but you generally find more often than not the fact that everyone else gets to control narrative and they have to keep schtum leaves them painted in the worst light |
Come on Joe, you know "I don't know who's advising him" is a turn of phrase which really means "He's being badly advised."
Taylor's said, "You'd have to ask Flynn if he wants to play", and Lambert's said, "I'd be playing if it was me," (or words to that effect). Unless both Taylor and Lambert are bare-faced liars, it looks very much like Downes doesn't want to play.
And as I said above, I suspect this is on the advice of his new agent (hence Lambert's barbed comment on who's advising him). | |
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| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:39 - Sep 16 with 2444 views | itfcjoe |
| Anyone else get the feeling Downes has thrown his toys out of the pram? on 11:32 - Sep 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Come on Joe, you know "I don't know who's advising him" is a turn of phrase which really means "He's being badly advised."
Taylor's said, "You'd have to ask Flynn if he wants to play", and Lambert's said, "I'd be playing if it was me," (or words to that effect). Unless both Taylor and Lambert are bare-faced liars, it looks very much like Downes doesn't want to play.
And as I said above, I suspect this is on the advice of his new agent (hence Lambert's barbed comment on who's advising him). |
"You'd have to ask Flynn if he wants to play"
Which the club won't allow to happen - so the club controls the narrative.
And Lambert claims to 'not know' whether he wanted to play on Sunday.
They are bare faced liars, it is part of being a football manager to do so to the press at times - and that isn't a criticism. | |
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