| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? 07:42 - Sep 17 with 3828 views | Bluefish |
Bolton
Bury
Wigan
Macclesfield
Not enough to go round with United, City, Liverpool, Rugby etc? |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 07:44 - Sep 17 with 3814 views | homer_123 |
To be fair. If Evans didn't put £6m or £7m in a year, we'd be the same.
As would many, many other Clubs.
The fact that football clubs - with all the money and income the game generates - generally run at a loss tells you all you need to know. |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 07:46 - Sep 17 with 3803 views | BlueRaider |
I think you're right, there are so many clubs in that area, including newer ones like Fleetwood and Salford, and other ones who have regenerated like Accrington, Morecambe and Barrow. Wigan were a bit of an artificial club for me due to Whelan pumping in the money, they just haven't got the fan base to sustain top two division football |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 08:02 - Sep 17 with 3739 views | itfcjoe |
Plus Blackpool, Oldham, Stockport......
From the outside looking in, the big teams just sprawl further out into their suburbs and then take over and dig into their fanbases.
I'm sure a lot of them relied upon being big team fans 2nd teams, but now with football so encompassing, and streams to every game available no real opportunity to go and watch your lower league team whilst keeping up with main one. Not like Friday night football at Layer Road, or Prenton Park.
There are just too many clubs so close to each other up there, not big enough and unique enough towns to support them |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 08:12 - Sep 17 with 3715 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 08:02 - Sep 17 by itfcjoe |
Plus Blackpool, Oldham, Stockport......
From the outside looking in, the big teams just sprawl further out into their suburbs and then take over and dig into their fanbases.
I'm sure a lot of them relied upon being big team fans 2nd teams, but now with football so encompassing, and streams to every game available no real opportunity to go and watch your lower league team whilst keeping up with main one. Not like Friday night football at Layer Road, or Prenton Park.
There are just too many clubs so close to each other up there, not big enough and unique enough towns to support them |
Quite ironic that the Manchester / Greater Manchester teams also have a massive divide in size and League they compete
Seems it's all or nothing
City and United in the Prem thereafter the "others" are either League 1 or 2 with nothing in the Championship
Sad situation really and one of the main reasons I despise the Prem |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 08:17 - Sep 17 with 3700 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 07:44 - Sep 17 by homer_123 |
To be fair. If Evans didn't put £6m or £7m in a year, we'd be the same.
As would many, many other Clubs.
The fact that football clubs - with all the money and income the game generates - generally run at a loss tells you all you need to know. |
Evans put six or seven million into many. many other clubs!!
That explains a few things... |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:05 - Sep 17 with 3495 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Is it because there are a lot of them perchance in the lower divisions?
Suffolk only has one league club - currently £100 million in debt and subject to two recent winding up orders
Its not that different, other then the dodgy chancer running Town has (for now, maybe, perhaps) deeper pockets - even the body issuing the winding up order is the same that struggled to get the money owed to it out of Town.
Covid hysteria will no doubt send many more clubs to the wall if this season unravels,, which at the moment appears almost certain. | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:09 - Sep 17 with 3481 views | Keno |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 08:02 - Sep 17 by itfcjoe |
Plus Blackpool, Oldham, Stockport......
From the outside looking in, the big teams just sprawl further out into their suburbs and then take over and dig into their fanbases.
I'm sure a lot of them relied upon being big team fans 2nd teams, but now with football so encompassing, and streams to every game available no real opportunity to go and watch your lower league team whilst keeping up with main one. Not like Friday night football at Layer Road, or Prenton Park.
There are just too many clubs so close to each other up there, not big enough and unique enough towns to support them |
Dont forget other small clubs up there like chester, Chesterfield, Preston, Tranmere, Everton
and its isnt that long ago Southport was a league team |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:31 - Sep 17 with 3444 views | Bluefish |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:09 - Sep 17 by Keno |
Dont forget other small clubs up there like chester, Chesterfield, Preston, Tranmere, Everton
and its isnt that long ago Southport was a league team |
Do you mean Chester? | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:33 - Sep 17 with 3435 views | Keno |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:31 - Sep 17 by Bluefish |
Do you mean Chester? |
Chester is up north isnt it? | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:42 - Sep 17 with 3420 views | Bluefish |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:33 - Sep 17 by Keno |
Chester is up north isnt it? |
Ah you had Chester as well, I wondered if you meant Chester instead of Chesterfield. Chesterfield is not NW | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:55 - Sep 17 with 3401 views | Keno |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:42 - Sep 17 by Bluefish |
Ah you had Chester as well, I wondered if you meant Chester instead of Chesterfield. Chesterfield is not NW |
ok, good point, tho its still 'up north to me | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:55 - Sep 17 with 3402 views | Steve_M |
Partly that but Wigan were never a big club, it's a rugby league town foremost, Dave Whelan just spent a load of money that got them promoted. Even then it's the actions of those who have since purchased the club most to blame.
Dodgy ownership also a factor at Bury and Macclesfield. Bolton's attendance jumped 10k between Premier League and Championship, but hey had years of tv money they just spent it all on wages and, err, 'fees'. |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:59 - Sep 17 with 3375 views | Keno |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:55 - Sep 17 by Steve_M |
Partly that but Wigan were never a big club, it's a rugby league town foremost, Dave Whelan just spent a load of money that got them promoted. Even then it's the actions of those who have since purchased the club most to blame.
Dodgy ownership also a factor at Bury and Macclesfield. Bolton's attendance jumped 10k between Premier League and Championship, but hey had years of tv money they just spent it all on wages and, err, 'fees'. |
Id forgotten Bury
There is also Stockport and Blackburn in the area as well isnt there | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:07 - Sep 17 with 3361 views | jaykay |
wigan only took the place of southport. its a bit like the non league scene round here . who ever has the man with money gets the mercenaries in the local area. salford with the ex man u. players got all the players in the area. so bury lost out. |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:10 - Sep 17 with 3355 views | textbackup |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:09 - Sep 17 by Keno |
Dont forget other small clubs up there like chester, Chesterfield, Preston, Tranmere, Everton
and its isnt that long ago Southport was a league team |
Everton? Lol |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:16 - Sep 17 with 3334 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:10 - Sep 17 by textbackup |
Everton? Lol |
Confused them with Workington? Understandable I guess. [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 11:26]
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:16 - Sep 17 with 3333 views | Keno |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:10 - Sep 17 by textbackup |
Everton? Lol |
haha!!
I wondered when someone would spot that one!! | |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 11:32 - Sep 17 with 3308 views | jayessess |
Don't know if the competition quite explains it. None of the four clubs in question collapsed as a result of declining match attendance.
Macclesfield had done quite well in historical terms the last 2 seasons. Bolton's attendances in the Championship and League One were in line with what they got prior to their long stay in the Premier League. Bury's attendances had gone up 25% of so during the last decade. Wigan were never well supported, even in the Premier League. [Post edited 17 Sep 2020 13:17]
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 12:56 - Sep 17 with 3230 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 07:44 - Sep 17 by homer_123 |
To be fair. If Evans didn't put £6m or £7m in a year, we'd be the same.
As would many, many other Clubs.
The fact that football clubs - with all the money and income the game generates - generally run at a loss tells you all you need to know. |
If we stay in league 1 he won’t have to put so much in with wage cap coming! |  | | |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 14:31 - Sep 17 with 3159 views | xrayspecs |
I was reading that Salford have changed their academy strategy recently to focus on recruiting and developing 17-18 year olds released from bigger clubs rather than competing for players in the 16 and under category.
As more money has gone into player development, the better youngsters are being hoarded by the big clubs, this is a particular issue where you have lots of clubs in relative close proximity to each other.
Within about 30 minutes of central Manchester, ,you have Salford, Oldham, (Bury), Rochdale, Blackburn, Accrington, Burnley, Preston, Wigan and Macclesfield. | | | |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 15:07 - Sep 17 with 3106 views | quirkie |
Having 92 professional clubs in a 50 million population in an area half the size of Germany is a bit ridiculous to be honest, think this pandemic is going to sort that out shortly.
Germany only has 3 Pro leagues then your into semi pro clubs under that.
Something similar would be more suitable in England, a max of 60 pro clubs.
The level of football below the Championship is garbage at best anyway. |  |
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| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 15:09 - Sep 17 with 3100 views | bournemouthblue |
| Why do clubs in the North West seem to be the ones struggling the most? on 10:55 - Sep 17 by Steve_M |
Partly that but Wigan were never a big club, it's a rugby league town foremost, Dave Whelan just spent a load of money that got them promoted. Even then it's the actions of those who have since purchased the club most to blame.
Dodgy ownership also a factor at Bury and Macclesfield. Bolton's attendance jumped 10k between Premier League and Championship, but hey had years of tv money they just spent it all on wages and, err, 'fees'. |
Bolton basically did what other clubs tended to do
Focused all on wages and talent, rather than an academy or infrastructure
Eventually the bubble burst
Actually despite everything going against us, we held up well under Royle because we had a decent academy and with any real investment, he's have probably got us back up and possibly even kept us there
The rest after Jim Magilton failing to get us back up is history
MM arrested the slide but never got given the investment he needed to take us up to that next step |  |
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