| Half-term lockdown being proposed 22:08 - Sep 17 with 6071 views | ElderGrizzly |
Simply so they don’t have to shut schools.
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:21 - Sep 18 with 3148 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 08:40 - Sep 18 by StokieBlue |
What exactly is the point of this post?
The two things aren't comparable in either technical details or scope of research.
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The poster appeared to suggest that a covid-19 vaccine would mean the eradication of Covid-19, I pointed out that there is no evidence to suggest that will be the case.
We have not eradicated Influenza with vaccines and neither have we eradicated any other coronavirus. Interesting that you decide to jump on my post rather than correct the false assumption that was being made. |  | | |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:28 - Sep 18 with 3129 views | StokieBlue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:21 - Sep 18 by Harry_Palmer |
The poster appeared to suggest that a covid-19 vaccine would mean the eradication of Covid-19, I pointed out that there is no evidence to suggest that will be the case.
We have not eradicated Influenza with vaccines and neither have we eradicated any other coronavirus. Interesting that you decide to jump on my post rather than correct the false assumption that was being made. |
I responded because I don't agree with you and believe it's you who are making false assumptions.
You have extrapolated from one disease to another and used that as evidence to say there might not be a vaccine.
The two diseases are different, flu mutates constantly and thus it's hard to make a vaccine for whilst C19 (at least the main strains) don't seem to mutate and anywhere near the same rate as even a "normal" coronavirus.
There is also a huge difference in the amount of resources being devoted to finding a C19 vaccine and a flu vaccine or vaccines for other coronaviruses.
You could have just have easily cited smallpox as evidence that eradication is possible given you were comparing totally different diseases.
It might be true we won't find a vaccine but you can't say that by comparing to a totally unrelated disease. It also doesn't counter his point that eradication might be impossible without a vaccine.
We won't agree on this I know so perhaps best not to have a 10 pager about it :).
SB [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 9:30]
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:28 - Sep 18 with 3123 views | Ely_Blue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 07:11 - Sep 18 by ElderGrizzly |
The lockdown is meant to control the virus, not be convenient.
Currently infections are doubling every 7 days. Prediction is within 2 weeks it will double every 3 which is back to where we were at the start |
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3,395 new cases and 21 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 16
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3,991 new cases and 20 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 15
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3,105 new cases and 27 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 14
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2,619 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 13
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3,330 new cases and 5 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 12
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3,497 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 11
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3,539 new cases and 6 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
Tell me where that says infections are doubling every 7 days? |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:30 - Sep 18 with 3126 views | StokieBlue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:28 - Sep 18 by Ely_Blue |
Updates
3,395 new cases and 21 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 16
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3,991 new cases and 20 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 15
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3,105 new cases and 27 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 14
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2,619 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 13
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3,330 new cases and 5 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 12
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3,497 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 11
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3,539 new cases and 6 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
Tell me where that says infections are doubling every 7 days? |
You need to know the total number of cases on the 11th September for the previous 7 days then add up all the ones in your list and compare the numbers.
You've not posted enough information to make the analysis.
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:37 - Sep 18 with 3118 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:28 - Sep 18 by StokieBlue |
I responded because I don't agree with you and believe it's you who are making false assumptions.
You have extrapolated from one disease to another and used that as evidence to say there might not be a vaccine.
The two diseases are different, flu mutates constantly and thus it's hard to make a vaccine for whilst C19 (at least the main strains) don't seem to mutate and anywhere near the same rate as even a "normal" coronavirus.
There is also a huge difference in the amount of resources being devoted to finding a C19 vaccine and a flu vaccine or vaccines for other coronaviruses.
You could have just have easily cited smallpox as evidence that eradication is possible given you were comparing totally different diseases.
It might be true we won't find a vaccine but you can't say that by comparing to a totally unrelated disease. It also doesn't counter his point that eradication might be impossible without a vaccine.
We won't agree on this I know so perhaps best not to have a 10 pager about it :).
SB [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 9:30]
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Nope I didn't say there 'might not be a vaccine' so that's wrong for a start.
I simply challenged the assumption that getting a Covid-19 vaccine would lead to Covid-19 being eradicated. It is quite fair to challenge this assumption because there is no evidence to suggest that this will be the case.
Agree about the 10 pager. I will say no more. [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 10:03]
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 with 3124 views | ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |  | | |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:41 - Sep 18 with 3108 views | StokieBlue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:37 - Sep 18 by Harry_Palmer |
Nope I didn't say there 'might not be a vaccine' so that's wrong for a start.
I simply challenged the assumption that getting a Covid-19 vaccine would lead to Covid-19 being eradicated. It is quite fair to challenge this assumption because there is no evidence to suggest that this will be the case.
Agree about the 10 pager. I will say no more. [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 10:03]
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I seem to have misunderstood your original post, apologies.
How would having a vaccine not lead to eradication?
Flu is still around because there is no general vaccine against all strains, if there were then it should be perfectly possible to eradicate it given enough uptake of the vaccination.
It's been proven that having an effective vaccine can lead to eradication (or near eradication) if enough people use it.
SB [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 9:42]
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 10:10 - Sep 18 with 3089 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:41 - Sep 18 by StokieBlue |
I seem to have misunderstood your original post, apologies.
How would having a vaccine not lead to eradication?
Flu is still around because there is no general vaccine against all strains, if there were then it should be perfectly possible to eradicate it given enough uptake of the vaccination.
It's been proven that having an effective vaccine can lead to eradication (or near eradication) if enough people use it.
SB [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 9:42]
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I accept the differences between Covid-19 and Flu and why that makes Flu difficult to eradicate, however there is also still much unknown about C19 so I think it is somewhat jumping the gun to assume a vaccine will definitely eradicate it.
Of course it is possible and if that happens and the vaccine is safe then great, we will all be happy. | | | |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 11:11 - Sep 18 with 3063 views | jaykay |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you read the posts or even come on here.
the door opens both ways .
at least the newcastle 1984 fan treats the board with courtesy. |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 11:41 - Sep 18 with 3032 views | DebsyAngel |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 00:22 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Give people time to stockpile, get rigorous full PPE in for essential workers, put safeguards in place for people’s incomes and those who need extra support and then lock us down hard with full border closures & quarantine. Solitary confinement where were poss, with stockpile of backissues of Neighbours to pass the time.
We’d get rid of it In 3-4 weeks and then we could get on with life again as long as just the quarantine was retained. Stop arsing around the edges of it. And shoot any twot that goes on about freedom and muzzles (only half joking). |
Agree with you - but just as before, once the lockdown is over, people will once more go over the top and we will constantly be back at Square 1.
I am tired of people saying the old and vulnerable will be the ones who need to isolate - why? The very people who have had 6 months of their lives in 4 walls of their homes, but acted sensibly once restrictions were lifted. While the idiots who take the pee every time go out, have fun, live their lives, ignore the rules, can't even follow arrows in a street or keep their distance ... the depression and fact I and many others cannot get seen by a couple of specialists over worsening health issues and will never see the normal life I had before this again the more this goes on.
Why does this goverment lie so much? The sweeping statements back in July that we would be back to relative normal for Xmas? The "millions of tests a day" statement last week? The cringey quotes from Johnson - likening the virus to bloody camel humps FFS.
There needs to be a severe lockdown - what we should have done in late Feb/early March, closing airports and stopping travelling. Then things could been a lot more normal now.
I want life back, I want to go on a day out occasionally, I want to return to football, see my parents and friends, the odd trip to the pub... I didn't even want to know about that eat out to help out gimmick. If I want to not cook, I will order a takeaway. I was not going to risk my health by having a few quid off a meal in a restaurant. If I want a beer, I can get one at the local offie or supermarket.
I just so hope a vaccine comes soon. I am sure a lot of people will have a go at me for this - but I am peed off and this is MY opinion. |  | | |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 13:28 - Sep 18 with 3008 views | BlueBadger |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
I've considered your well-argued, coherent and rational points and have this to say: give over you massive fanny and piss off back to Sunderland. |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 15:40 - Sep 18 with 2961 views | itfc48 |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:28 - Sep 18 by Ely_Blue |
Updates
3,395 new cases and 21 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 16
Updates
3,991 new cases and 20 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 15
Updates
3,105 new cases and 27 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 14
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2,619 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 13
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3,330 new cases and 5 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 12
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3,497 new cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
September 11
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3,539 new cases and 6 new deaths in the United Kingdom [source]
Tell me where that says infections are doubling every 7 days? |
Those figures also don't take into account false positives. At a false positive rate of 0.5% (and realistically it's probably nearer 1%) that'll be 500 false cases for every 100k tested. [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 15:41]
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 15:49 - Sep 18 with 2948 views | Herbivore |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
This is getting tiresome now. |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 16:53 - Sep 18 with 2924 views | ghostofescobar |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
I tend to heed most of the advice and still free quite free, thank you, so don't have a need to think about valuing my freedom too much. I consider those under oppressive regimes, in slave labour etc as those who really don't have freedom. I think if you live in this country and think we don't have freedom, even now, then you are deluded. Even under all these restrictions, what a luxurious life many of us lead in comparison to the millions of poor, deprived, starving, climate effected, oppressive regime impacted humans. Much of what you say is true re mental health, jobs etc. but for the majority its meant more Netflix and getting Tescos to deliver more beer to your door. I think our freedom is ok and you're missing the point. |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 19:55 - Sep 18 with 2871 views | Ely_Blue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
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And how do you exactly think we protect the elderly and vulnerable?
I assume you think we have a magic halo that can be thrown around rather so they can also see their young families who are free to do what they want and spread this virus freely as they have no restrictions?
You sir are very very deluded | |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:15 - Sep 18 with 2863 views | Swansea_Blue |
Deliberately discharging Covid patients into confined indoor areas populated by the most vulnerable seems utterly unethical to me. But what do I know? |  |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:24 - Sep 18 with 2863 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 09:39 - Sep 18 by ROKERITE |
What a bunch of frightened sheep. It isn't surprising that those who advocate so many left-wing causes are so keen to see our freedoms continue to be crushed.
Our economy has been devastated, our children's education has been severely damaged, mental health issues and suicides have gone through the roof and you want more, harsher, stricter measures!
Fortunately more people outside of this message-board seem to be waking up and saying enough is enough. Unfortunately, as evidenced in so many threads on here, too many people really don't value freedom at all. Of course, the old and the vulnerable must continue to be protected but the rest need to get back to normal life and, barring extreme circumstances, the schools must remain open. |
Sorry to potentially waste your time Phil/Gav/Mark by reporting, but there’s only so much blatant trolling with mind numbingly inane sloganeering I can handle. If this poster had anything positive to contribute it’d be different. But they don’t. | |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:25 - Sep 18 with 2853 views | PhilTWTD |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:24 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Sorry to potentially waste your time Phil/Gav/Mark by reporting, but there’s only so much blatant trolling with mind numbingly inane sloganeering I can handle. If this poster had anything positive to contribute it’d be different. But they don’t. |
Thanks for reporting. Removed. |  | | |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:28 - Sep 18 with 2847 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 20:25 - Sep 18 by PhilTWTD |
Thanks for reporting. Removed. |
Cheers. I’m sure you’ve got better things to do! | |
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| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 21:39 - Sep 18 with 2813 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Half-term lockdown being proposed on 07:13 - Sep 18 by giant_stow |
I did say if not sooner. And given how damaged kids have been already, what's wrong with trying to minimise any further disruption? There's a balance between safety and well-being, especially with kids.
Edit: or here's another thought - why not bring half-term forward if a lockdown is required sooner? We need to be flexible. [Post edited 18 Sep 2020 7:15]
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You can't do that! What about all the Centre Parcs bookings for ht??? | | | |
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