| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good 11:10 - Sep 21 with 5104 views | Steve_M |
Current state of cases, likely impact if rate of increase isn't slowed is not good -> November would be like April.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54231625
Sam Coates has the slides:
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:12 - Sep 21 with 2329 views | ElderGrizzly |
And only 8% have had Covid of UK population.
92% unprotected, even if you assume immunity for those 8% which isn’t guaranteed. |  | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:15 - Sep 21 with 2305 views | Illinoisblue |
End the season now. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:22 - Sep 21 with 2263 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:12 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
And only 8% have had Covid of UK population.
92% unprotected, even if you assume immunity for those 8% which isn’t guaranteed. |
This is sobering too. 6 months more of considerable restrictions
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:22 - Sep 21 with 2260 views | solomon |
Very good briefing, so glad it was left to the experts. |  | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:23 - Sep 21 with 2263 views | Steve_M |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:22 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
This is sobering too. 6 months more of considerable restrictions
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"Get back to the office you lazy b*stards" was an inspired piece of government messaging. | |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:30 - Sep 21 with 2211 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:23 - Sep 21 by Steve_M |
"Get back to the office you lazy b*stards" was an inspired piece of government messaging. |
Literally. It's so needless and i imagine we'll get another WFH order soon. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:31 - Sep 21 with 2214 views | LankHenners |
How refreshing was it to hear two people who know what they're talking about speak frankly and calmly about the situation? Much better than having Johnson or Hancock bluster their way through an 'everything is under control and if you think it isn't then it's definitely not our fault' message.
Sadly I still think many will accuse them of spreading fake news: already there's loads of replies to tweets like those from Coates demanding that this is ignored and instead we should all listen to an assortment of frauds and know-nothings like Karol Sikora and co.
Such is the way of the world some people would much rather believe what they want to hear rather than take on board genuine knowledge and expertise. [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 18:25]
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:33 - Sep 21 with 2185 views | WD19 |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:12 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
And only 8% have had Covid of UK population.
92% unprotected, even if you assume immunity for those 8% which isn’t guaranteed. |
Yeah, of the 8% roughly a quarter will have seen their antibodies wane to the extent they no longer show up. That’s a kicker. |  | | |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 with 2157 views | Herbivore |
All rather sobering. It needs to be followed up with some further measures to help get the virus back under control and slow the spread.
Interestingly they seemed quite bullish about the prospects of a vaccine in the not too distant future, which is good news. If they can produce an effective vaccine that will be a game changer. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 with 2149 views | giant_stow |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:31 - Sep 21 by LankHenners |
How refreshing was it to hear two people who know what they're talking about speak frankly and calmly about the situation? Much better than having Johnson or Hancock bluster their way through an 'everything is under control and if you think it isn't then it's definitely not our fault' message.
Sadly I still think many will accuse them of spreading fake news: already there's loads of replies to tweets like those from Coates demanding that this is ignored and instead we should all listen to an assortment of frauds and know-nothings like Karol Sikora and co.
Such is the way of the world some people would much rather believe what they want to hear rather than take on board genuine knowledge and expertise. [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 18:25]
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I'm no legal but you sure you want to name one of your frauds and know-nothings? |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 with 2164 views | portmanking |
I thought it was diabolical....
Warning us that cases are doubling every 7 days when the graphs clearly showed that there was actually a FLATLINING of new cases:
It's all very well and good telling us the absolute worst case scenario, but why talk about it like it's GOING to happen?
Furthermore, the 8% immunity figure - Vallance spent 2 seconds alluding to potential other "immune responses" that could be protecting others and requiring no need for antibodies e.g. T-Cells.
All of a load of hot air IMO. Talk to us like the educated and informed adults that we are. |  | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:39 - Sep 21 with 2125 views | giant_stow |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 by portmanking |
I thought it was diabolical....
Warning us that cases are doubling every 7 days when the graphs clearly showed that there was actually a FLATLINING of new cases:
It's all very well and good telling us the absolute worst case scenario, but why talk about it like it's GOING to happen?
Furthermore, the 8% immunity figure - Vallance spent 2 seconds alluding to potential other "immune responses" that could be protecting others and requiring no need for antibodies e.g. T-Cells.
All of a load of hot air IMO. Talk to us like the educated and informed adults that we are. |
I'll come back and check this multi-pager later. | |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:39 - Sep 21 with 2127 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:31 - Sep 21 by LankHenners |
How refreshing was it to hear two people who know what they're talking about speak frankly and calmly about the situation? Much better than having Johnson or Hancock bluster their way through an 'everything is under control and if you think it isn't then it's definitely not our fault' message.
Sadly I still think many will accuse them of spreading fake news: already there's loads of replies to tweets like those from Coates demanding that this is ignored and instead we should all listen to an assortment of frauds and know-nothings like Karol Sikora and co.
Such is the way of the world some people would much rather believe what they want to hear rather than take on board genuine knowledge and expertise. [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 18:25]
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Depressing
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:40 - Sep 21 with 2123 views | Fixed_It |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 by portmanking |
I thought it was diabolical....
Warning us that cases are doubling every 7 days when the graphs clearly showed that there was actually a FLATLINING of new cases:
It's all very well and good telling us the absolute worst case scenario, but why talk about it like it's GOING to happen?
Furthermore, the 8% immunity figure - Vallance spent 2 seconds alluding to potential other "immune responses" that could be protecting others and requiring no need for antibodies e.g. T-Cells.
All of a load of hot air IMO. Talk to us like the educated and informed adults that we are. |
I didn't hear it, but I suspect they know more about it than you. Just a hunch. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:40 - Sep 21 with 2092 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 by giant_stow |
I'm no legal but you sure you want to name one of your frauds and know-nothings? |
Sikora is a fraud on Covid.
No untruth there | | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:41 - Sep 21 with 2105 views | LankHenners |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 by giant_stow |
I'm no legal but you sure you want to name one of your frauds and know-nothings? |
That particular person was so confident that he had it right and everyone else was wrong that he was telling everyone we'd be over the pandemic by the end of June, which he then changed to September when it was clear he was well out. You can do some research on him and you'll pretty quickly find he's a nefarious individual who shouldn't be taken seriously. | |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:41 - Sep 21 with 2085 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:37 - Sep 21 by portmanking |
I thought it was diabolical....
Warning us that cases are doubling every 7 days when the graphs clearly showed that there was actually a FLATLINING of new cases:
It's all very well and good telling us the absolute worst case scenario, but why talk about it like it's GOING to happen?
Furthermore, the 8% immunity figure - Vallance spent 2 seconds alluding to potential other "immune responses" that could be protecting others and requiring no need for antibodies e.g. T-Cells.
All of a load of hot air IMO. Talk to us like the educated and informed adults that we are. |
Its almost like testing has been capacity limited for a week | | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:43 - Sep 21 with 2064 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:41 - Sep 21 by LankHenners |
That particular person was so confident that he had it right and everyone else was wrong that he was telling everyone we'd be over the pandemic by the end of June, which he then changed to September when it was clear he was well out. You can do some research on him and you'll pretty quickly find he's a nefarious individual who shouldn't be taken seriously. |
Indeed.
He makes a lot of money if Covid restrictions are lifted | | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 with 2046 views | StokieBlue |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:39 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Depressing
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Now that is awful, what is wrong with people.
Clearly I understand that people are worried, a number of businesses locally have publicly said they will fold with another lockdown. A friend told me he had to take an Addison Lee the other day and the driver said he was already 4000 in debt from the lockdowns and that another one would put him under. More restrictions will likely also lead to more redundancies. People are scared and that is what leads to these irrational Twitter pile-ons.
Interestingly Spain and France have cases per 100,000 at 200 and 150 respectively (with the UK being at about 70) but Italy is only at 30 - they seem to have done something better/different than the rest of the European countries since the initial infections in March.
Does closing the barber whilst there are 400 kids and parents at the school gates every morning and evening make sense to the barber when he's bankrupt? It's an impossible situation and the government just have to make the call.
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 with 2035 views | homer_123 |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:23 - Sep 21 by Steve_M |
"Get back to the office you lazy b*stards" was an inspired piece of government messaging. |
Quite. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 with 2043 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:22 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
This is sobering too. 6 months more of considerable restrictions
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And then in March it’ll be another 6 months.
And then another.
And then another.
And then another.
Until eventually the world decides it’s never going away and we simply learn to live with it and hope one day a vaccine turns up. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:49 - Sep 21 with 2005 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
And then in March it’ll be another 6 months.
And then another.
And then another.
And then another.
Until eventually the world decides it’s never going away and we simply learn to live with it and hope one day a vaccine turns up. |
Nothing changes until a vaccine. Its not difficult to get.
He said he was hopeful that might be by the end of the year for some groups, but for wider population by mid-way 2021 | | | |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:51 - Sep 21 with 1990 views | homer_123 |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 by StokieBlue |
Now that is awful, what is wrong with people.
Clearly I understand that people are worried, a number of businesses locally have publicly said they will fold with another lockdown. A friend told me he had to take an Addison Lee the other day and the driver said he was already 4000 in debt from the lockdowns and that another one would put him under. More restrictions will likely also lead to more redundancies. People are scared and that is what leads to these irrational Twitter pile-ons.
Interestingly Spain and France have cases per 100,000 at 200 and 150 respectively (with the UK being at about 70) but Italy is only at 30 - they seem to have done something better/different than the rest of the European countries since the initial infections in March.
Does closing the barber whilst there are 400 kids and parents at the school gates every morning and evening make sense to the barber when he's bankrupt? It's an impossible situation and the government just have to make the call.
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It's incredibly tough as was alluded to. It's a horrible balancing act.
That said, the Gov wanting people to 'return to their normal place of work' doesn't seem sensible does it? Given the stats laid out today.
I also, again, am struggling with the notion of getting people back to stadiums to watch football - certainly make no sense at all to, currently, take that level of risk.
I'm not exactly convinced that the current rule of 6 is any good when schools have returned and/ or kids and others can do organised sport - there will be far too much interaction and therefore won't be the breaks needed for the virus to stop spreading.
I agree though, strong measures are going to see even more businesses go to the wall and/ or many more health problems.
It's a no win situation. | |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:53 - Sep 21 with 1983 views | monytowbray |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:47 - Sep 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
And then in March it’ll be another 6 months.
And then another.
And then another.
And then another.
Until eventually the world decides it’s never going away and we simply learn to live with it and hope one day a vaccine turns up. |
The problem is for us to learn to live with it we need a drastic overhaul of our entire geopolitical, economical, environmental and social norms on a global scale.
The fact capitalism just managed to fall over and plunge many every day folk into financial ruin due to a virus shows the system is deeply flawed.
Pandemics. Wild fires. Lower crop yields. Extreme weather. These are all symptoms of climate change which were predicted by scientists decades ago.
If humanity can't figure this out, we don't deserve to survive. |  |
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| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:54 - Sep 21 with 1973 views | GeoffSentence |
| Covid Briefing: Patrick Vallance very good on 11:41 - Sep 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Its almost like testing has been capacity limited for a week |
How does that fit in with those figures?
Although there are well documented problems with testing, those figures still show an increase in testing over the weeks. |  |
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