| US election megathread 03:24 - Sep 23 with 137984 views | SpruceMoose |
Seeing as we are approaching the presidential debates, and with the actual election being only 42 days away, maybe we could keep this as a US election megathread for those on here who are interested? One location for all the discussion would prevent multiple threads clogging up the board for those who don't care to get involved?
Personally, the reality of having to experience this election in the near future is stressful AF so if anyone else wants to get stressed together... Jump on board.
Now, insert all the usual caveats about polling here but...it's looking positive that we will be rid of Trump come 2021, much to the disappointment of a couple of posters on here. 538 are well respected in the field of poll analysis so what they announce should be taken seriously.
Of course their analysis doesn't take account of any election fraud, Russian interference, voter suppression etc. But it's positive news none the less. Once Trump is gone, we can work on Johnson. Decent people of the world... Unite!
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ [Post edited 23 Sep 2020 3:32]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 02:19 - Sep 26 with 2403 views | HARRY10 |
| US election megathread on 18:54 - Sep 25 by Bent_double |
Depends who's in charge of the court. |
the judiciary
whose independence is guaranteed by article 3 of the US Constitution |  | | |
| US election megathread on 06:03 - Sep 26 with 2374 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 02:19 - Sep 26 by HARRY10 |
the judiciary
whose independence is guaranteed by article 3 of the US Constitution |
Independence from what though? Judges aren't independent from wonky worldviews, prejudices, biases and zealotry are they? | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 06:17 - Sep 26 with 2368 views | HARRY10 |
| US election megathread on 06:03 - Sep 26 by SpruceMoose |
Independence from what though? Judges aren't independent from wonky worldviews, prejudices, biases and zealotry are they? |
Is anyone ?
however it will require factual evidence to prove a case , not a judges view - and it will be the plaintiffs side to prove fraud, malpractice etc
which would require a huge amount of irrefutable evidence from virtually every state, county, ballot box, etc
not some orange faced buffoon spouting shytte to a bunch of over excited halfwits | | | |
| US election megathread on 10:39 - Sep 26 with 2315 views | Oldsmoker |
Donald Trump jr has appeared on a campaign ad spouting nonsense about the Dems stealing the election and calling for an 'army' of supporters to protect the polls.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/donald-trump-jr-vi
It's blatant permission for Trumps base to engage in intimidatory tactics.
They will accuse the Dems of intimidation for daring to turn up to vote. If they'd stayed at home then the violent clashes at polling stations would not have taken place. |  |
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| US election megathread on 12:36 - Sep 26 with 2282 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 06:17 - Sep 26 by HARRY10 |
Is anyone ?
however it will require factual evidence to prove a case , not a judges view - and it will be the plaintiffs side to prove fraud, malpractice etc
which would require a huge amount of irrefutable evidence from virtually every state, county, ballot box, etc
not some orange faced buffoon spouting shytte to a bunch of over excited halfwits |
I remember those old rules too. They were better days. | |
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| US election megathread on 12:44 - Sep 26 with 2276 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| US election megathread on 12:36 - Sep 26 by SpruceMoose |
I remember those old rules too. They were better days. |
Out of interest Spruce, what’s the general feel out their about more likely winner?
Over here it seems to be that America would be crazy to vote trump in again but it’s just about how crazy they really are as to whether he will or not. Out there, does it feel like the tide has turned against him or is it still well in the balance would you say? |  |
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| US election megathread on 12:45 - Sep 26 with 2276 views | tractordownsouth |
| US election megathread on 10:39 - Sep 26 by Oldsmoker |
Donald Trump jr has appeared on a campaign ad spouting nonsense about the Dems stealing the election and calling for an 'army' of supporters to protect the polls.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/donald-trump-jr-vi
It's blatant permission for Trumps base to engage in intimidatory tactics.
They will accuse the Dems of intimidation for daring to turn up to vote. If they'd stayed at home then the violent clashes at polling stations would not have taken place. |
Their entire tactic whenever they get called out on their sh1thouse tactics is to say "I know you are but what am I?" |  |
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| US election megathread on 22:47 - Sep 27 with 2177 views | SpruceMoose |
Arf! The NY Times just published Trump's tax returns. Just in time for Tuesday's debate.
The president “paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency”, the paper reported, adding that “in his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.
“He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-publishes-donald- [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 22:49]
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| US election megathread on 22:49 - Sep 27 with 2172 views | monytowbray |
| US election megathread on 22:47 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
Arf! The NY Times just published Trump's tax returns. Just in time for Tuesday's debate.
The president “paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency”, the paper reported, adding that “in his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.
“He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/27/new-york-times-publishes-donald- [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 22:49]
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Amazing work from the NYT.
Sadly he’ll brush it off as fake news or start making up something about Biden’s tax records. |  |
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| US election megathread on 22:51 - Sep 27 with 2168 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 22:49 - Sep 27 by monytowbray |
Amazing work from the NYT.
Sadly he’ll brush it off as fake news or start making up something about Biden’s tax records. |
Oh it'll make no difference to his supporters. But I can't imagine it's made him very happy. So that's a win.
As soon as he's out of office I genuinely believe New York State are coming for him. I think they have a case ready to go. I think he knows that too, which makes him dangerous. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 22:54 - Sep 27 with 2163 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 22:49 - Sep 27 by monytowbray |
Amazing work from the NYT.
Sadly he’ll brush it off as fake news or start making up something about Biden’s tax records. |
And for the 'but both sides crew'...
Federal income taxes paid in 2017 (jointly with spouse):
Joe Biden - $3,742,974
Kamala Harris - $516,469
Bernie Sanders - $343,882
Elizabeth Warren - $268,484
Donald Trump - $750 | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 22:58 - Sep 27 with 2153 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 12:44 - Sep 26 by The_Romford_Blue |
Out of interest Spruce, what’s the general feel out their about more likely winner?
Over here it seems to be that America would be crazy to vote trump in again but it’s just about how crazy they really are as to whether he will or not. Out there, does it feel like the tide has turned against him or is it still well in the balance would you say? |
Britain elected Johnson and voted for Brexit. As far as the rest of the world are concerned the US and the UK are in the same category I would imagine.
I think people expect Biden to win, but it'll be close enough for Trump to try and steal it through the courts. If he does that... Who knows what's next.
People need to vote avd Biden needs to win this beyond any margin of doubt for the nightmare to end, | |
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| US election megathread on 22:59 - Sep 27 with 2153 views | StokieBlue |
| US election megathread on 22:54 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
And for the 'but both sides crew'...
Federal income taxes paid in 2017 (jointly with spouse):
Joe Biden - $3,742,974
Kamala Harris - $516,469
Bernie Sanders - $343,882
Elizabeth Warren - $268,484
Donald Trump - $750 |
None of them are exactly representative of the common American are they!
Biden would do best to hammer home the fact that Trump didn't pay taxes because his business couldn't make a profit rather than worry about the taxes themselves. A small chance to dispel the myth that he is a good businessman.
Not that anyone who supports him will change their mind whatever is said or proven.
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| US election megathread on 22:59 - Sep 27 with 2149 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 22:49 - Sep 27 by monytowbray |
Amazing work from the NYT.
Sadly he’ll brush it off as fake news or start making up something about Biden’s tax records. |
He just did brush it off as fake news at his news conference.
Also revealed he owes $300m in loans in the next 4 years. A lot of people will be coming for Donny... |  | | |
| US election megathread on 23:02 - Sep 27 with 2147 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 22:59 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue |
None of them are exactly representative of the common American are they!
Biden would do best to hammer home the fact that Trump didn't pay taxes because his business couldn't make a profit rather than worry about the taxes themselves. A small chance to dispel the myth that he is a good businessman.
Not that anyone who supports him will change their mind whatever is said or proven.
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I was thinking that too, but I'm not sure if that'll matter much here. They seem to love rich folk because they labour under the impression that they'll be one any day now too. A nation of Del Boys.
I think if you want to see a better representation of average people in US politics you need to look to people like AOC in the House. | |
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| US election megathread on 23:04 - Sep 27 with 2143 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 22:59 - Sep 27 by ElderGrizzly |
He just did brush it off as fake news at his news conference.
Also revealed he owes $300m in loans in the next 4 years. A lot of people will be coming for Donny... |
The walls are closing in and that only increases how dangerous he is.
What odds on the GOP filling this supreme court seat and then cutting him loose? Throw him to the wolves. After all, all they've ever wanted is judges and tax cuts. I don't think they've ever really bought into his cult, he was just their useful idiot. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 23:05 - Sep 27 with 2138 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 23:02 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
I was thinking that too, but I'm not sure if that'll matter much here. They seem to love rich folk because they labour under the impression that they'll be one any day now too. A nation of Del Boys.
I think if you want to see a better representation of average people in US politics you need to look to people like AOC in the House. |
Sadly, the taxes will mean nothing to his base. 35 to 40% of the electorate will vote for him no matter what is revealed.
Lets hope the 10 point lead being reported is accurate. 6 of 7 swing states in Biden’s favour too | | | |
| US election megathread on 23:06 - Sep 27 with 2136 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 23:04 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
The walls are closing in and that only increases how dangerous he is.
What odds on the GOP filling this supreme court seat and then cutting him loose? Throw him to the wolves. After all, all they've ever wanted is judges and tax cuts. I don't think they've ever really bought into his cult, he was just their useful idiot. |
Lots of evidence he was their Trojan Horse. He was meant to be gone within 2 years and replaced by Pence. | | | |
| US election megathread on 23:08 - Sep 27 with 2131 views | HARRY10 |
Given that
"The paper promises more stories in the coming weeks."
There is every thought that we are now moving towards what might be thought criminal activity - and the revelations will prompt further calls for closer inspection of his business affairs.
Trump has been trailing Biden for months, by a rough margin that would see Trump lose this election.
Is there anyone out there who thinks these coming revelations are going to help him narrow that gap ? | | | |
| US election megathread on 23:08 - Sep 27 with 2130 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 23:04 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
The walls are closing in and that only increases how dangerous he is.
What odds on the GOP filling this supreme court seat and then cutting him loose? Throw him to the wolves. After all, all they've ever wanted is judges and tax cuts. I don't think they've ever really bought into his cult, he was just their useful idiot. |
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| US election megathread on 23:10 - Sep 27 with 2126 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 23:05 - Sep 27 by ElderGrizzly |
Sadly, the taxes will mean nothing to his base. 35 to 40% of the electorate will vote for him no matter what is revealed.
Lets hope the 10 point lead being reported is accurate. 6 of 7 swing states in Biden’s favour too |
At this point the only way he can win this legitimately is if there are masses of silent Trump voters out there lying to or avoiding polls. One of the many things we know about Trump supporters is that they don't tend to be quiet when it comes to telling us about how much they love him.
In 2016 Clinton was despised on the left in a way that Biden just isn't. He had an enthusiasm problem, he's not exciting to vote for, but everytime Trump opens his mouth he makes Biden more appealing. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 23:10 - Sep 27 with 2123 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 23:08 - Sep 27 by HARRY10 |
Given that
"The paper promises more stories in the coming weeks."
There is every thought that we are now moving towards what might be thought criminal activity - and the revelations will prompt further calls for closer inspection of his business affairs.
Trump has been trailing Biden for months, by a rough margin that would see Trump lose this election.
Is there anyone out there who thinks these coming revelations are going to help him narrow that gap ? |
They are promising more details on Trump’s fraud around taxes. How will that help him and harm Biden?
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| US election megathread on 23:13 - Sep 27 with 2115 views | ElderGrizzly |
| US election megathread on 23:10 - Sep 27 by SpruceMoose |
At this point the only way he can win this legitimately is if there are masses of silent Trump voters out there lying to or avoiding polls. One of the many things we know about Trump supporters is that they don't tend to be quiet when it comes to telling us about how much they love him.
In 2016 Clinton was despised on the left in a way that Biden just isn't. He had an enthusiasm problem, he's not exciting to vote for, but everytime Trump opens his mouth he makes Biden more appealing. |
I can see this being a tactic. Trump would happily go low against Biden’s deceased son
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| US election megathread on 23:15 - Sep 27 with 2113 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 23:10 - Sep 27 by ElderGrizzly |
They are promising more details on Trump’s fraud around taxes. How will that help him and harm Biden?
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It was dumb for him to say it's Fake News. There's no way the NYT don't have evidence to validate this, and I fully expect them to drop it over the next couple of days.
He should have just gone with 'avoiding tax makes me smart' line again. Plenty of people would agree with that. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| US election megathread on 23:16 - Sep 27 with 2111 views | SpruceMoose |
| US election megathread on 23:13 - Sep 27 by ElderGrizzly |
I can see this being a tactic. Trump would happily go low against Biden’s deceased son
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If Biden debates like he debated Paul Ryan he will have no worries. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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