| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 14:46 - Sep 24 with 1580 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 14:43 - Sep 24 by SpruceMoose |
Similar to with Paz, there's a small band of posters on here who want to have their say and state their opinions with absolutely no comeback at all. Anything that slightly goes against their grain doesn't even register with them. It's zealotry, pure and simple.
They post in bad faith as they aren't here for genuine discussion, they're here to have their biases confirmed, and when they aren't, they either lash out or just completely ignore anything remotely inconvenient.
Their method is to post, ignore replies, repost same wonky concept, ignore more replies, repost more of the same while this time claiming that people are blind to reality, repeat. That's they way this thread will continue for as long as Hamstead keeps coming back to keep it alive. He won't learn or reconsider a single thing from this thread, or any thread he's posted over the last year or so.
I don't know why they're here. They waste their own time as well as everyone else's. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 14:45]
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:03 - Sep 24 with 1552 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 13:29 - Sep 24 by Swansea_Blue |
What? There are plenty of countries ruled by the "the left" where freedom of expression and thought are encouraged. France, Portugal, Sweden, Austria, Italy, Finland, New Zealand... to name a few.
You're literally speaking from the perspective of a right wing country that has just undertaken the largest removal of freedoms from its citizens in its modern history, for heaven's sake 
'Freedom' is seemingly the word of the week then. Another one to add to the populist bingo list. |
The hard of thinking will always point to left-wing dictatorships to 'prove' communism or socialism doesn't work without considering any kind of context as to why those countries were dictatorships.
Possibly the most brutal governance of all time (the Congo Free State, where up to 50% of the population died) was the ultimate free market economy, as it was basically an entire country run for profit. |  | | |
| Where to begin... on 15:16 - Sep 24 with 1530 views | Dyland |
| Where to begin... on 12:36 - Sep 24 by gordon |
I think this is something that we're going to have to think about a lot more in society generally, as its inevitable that online misinformation will be increasingly used to polarise and stoke hatred between different groups to promote various vested interests. Even the government is basically relying on 'culture war' type polarisation now to keep them in power; that's pretty much all they are even pretending to offer.
Given that, trying to talk to people and have empathy and sympathy for those people who have been wholly taken in by it all is really hard, but really important. No idea what the best way to address this kind of thing is, but would guess that confrontation simply reinforces the messages underpinning the extremism. |
Agreed, and re your second para this is why I'm disinclined to use words like radicalisation aimed at Hampers.
Good posts Gorders :) |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:18 - Sep 24 with 1519 views | Half_Idiot |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 13:06 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
Maybe my words are less than optimal.
However, the left won't give you freedom, absolutely not. You can flush any thoughts of freedom away if they got in. Big Government knows best.
Genocide? Well that is a very strong word to use. I've used it in the context that socialist governments have gone down that route often in the past. China, Russia to name but two. Cambodia is another.
If you look at what life has been like under the left all over the world the word 'freedom' is hardly top of the list of what people have had. They crush any signs of free speech and thought.
I am surprised at the way these things are ignored and instead posters simply throw abuse as anyone who shines a light there.
Calling people names doesn't make it right....(that's not you btw it's others) |
You seem to have Socialism and Communism confused. |  | | |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 with 1491 views | hampstead_blue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 13:02 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
I think the problem here isn't you saying I'm a Marxist, it's your outlandish interpretation of what that actually means. When you debate with me on this you're debating with someone who has a degree in politics, who wrote their dissertation on Marx. You are coming at this with an understanding of Marx that, at best, you got from watching From Russia With Love. That's why there's a disconnect here. You chat absolute sh!t because you are ignorant and show no desire to become less ignorant. That's why people get frustrated with you. Most of your views would be considered ill-informed in a discussion group involving under 5s, but you seem to feel your voice should be heard and respected. Educate yourself for Christ sake. |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:45 - Sep 24 with 1471 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |
seriously, if someone says they've written an undergrad dissertation on marx it's time to back away quietly not making eye contact. i'm sure he still has it somewhere. and undergrad musings about marx are worse than vogon poetry. |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:46 - Sep 24 with 1464 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:45 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, if someone says they've written an undergrad dissertation on marx it's time to back away quietly not making eye contact. i'm sure he still has it somewhere. and undergrad musings about marx are worse than vogon poetry. |
Another quality contribution from Fanny. |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:47 - Sep 24 with 1463 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |
You've spent an entire post admitting that basically you're not very well educated on a topic you were just espousing on and you've ended it by saying you're not the ignorant one. That doesn't add up. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or understanding, you've acknowledged that this describes you when it comes to Marxism.
Look, you were the one accusing me of supporting genocide a while ago so I think I've been rather civil considering the gravity of such accusations, especially as they come from a place of you being ill-informed. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:47 - Sep 24 with 1460 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |
Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. by SpruceMoose 24 Sep 2020 14:43Similar to with Paz, there's a small band of posters on here who want to have their say and state their opinions with absolutely no comeback at all. Anything that slightly goes against their grain doesn't even register with them. It's zealotry, pure and simple.
They post in bad faith as they aren't here for genuine discussion, they're here to have their biases confirmed, and when they aren't, they either lash out or just completely ignore anything remotely inconvenient.
Their method is to post, ignore replies, repost same wonky concept, ignore more replies, repost more of the same while this time claiming that people are blind to reality, repeat. That's they way this thread will continue for as long as Hamstead keeps coming back to keep it alive. He won't learn or reconsider a single thing from this thread, or any thread he's posted over the last year or so.
I don't know why they're here. They waste their own time as well as everyone else's.
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:48 - Sep 24 with 1453 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:45 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
seriously, if someone says they've written an undergrad dissertation on marx it's time to back away quietly not making eye contact. i'm sure he still has it somewhere. and undergrad musings about marx are worse than vogon poetry. |
Brilliant contribution as ever, I'm so glad you've joined us with your high level discourse. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 15:49]
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:49 - Sep 24 with 1448 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:46 - Sep 24 by SpruceMoose |
Another quality contribution from Fanny. |
that's very kind of you. x | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:51 - Sep 24 with 1435 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:46 - Sep 24 by SpruceMoose |
Another quality contribution from Fanny. |
He's just a deeply bitter individual who likes to snipe from the sidelines, adding nothing of value, whilst occasionally complaining - with no sense of irony - about how poor the level of debate is on here. I imagine lowhouse knows as much about Marx as he knows about holding consistent, apolitical views on racism: absolutely feck all. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:54 - Sep 24 with 1420 views | eireblue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, by definition.
You literally just said, I lack knowledge, but I am not ignorant.
You can’t just agree to disagree with the OED.
Don’t forget, you are an advocate for social enterprises, which is based on socialist principles.
Maybe you should be more careful with your use of language.
Or as I mentioned, establish facts, then form an opinion.
It should then be easy for you to explain how you derived an opinion based on facts. |  | | |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:54 - Sep 24 with 1420 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:37 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'd love to sit down with a brew and understand how you feel that Marxism can be better in a peaceful and open way. I'd love to.
I am sure that I could learn from someone who has studied the topic at a high level. My mind is open and welcoming of new ideas. Always.
I do feel that things are less than optimal and not as efficient as the discussion would in if we had a brew in the same room.
I'd like to know how Marxism can work in a peaceful and safe way. From what I know and have read, heard, etc, it has not worked. I am also sure there are aspects and ideals from that theory which would improve life under our current capitalist society.
I'm not ignorant and find the continuous implication extremism a sign of others ignorance and intolerance.
We don't all have the deep understanding which comes with a good degree on this topic. You do need to understand that.
My voice to be respected. Interesting. Well, I'm not shy nor am I easy to break or be bullied into submission.
I do get a PM or few from people who agree but are worried about the abuse they will get if they stand-up to you and your small but loud group.
Agree to disagree but I'm not the ignorant one. |
If you're not ignorant you'll be able to answer my questions. It's the third time of asking now. |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:54 - Sep 24 with 1417 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:46 - Sep 24 by SpruceMoose |
Another quality contribution from Fanny. |
Lowhouse is the Paul Joseph Watson of ....actually scratch that. Lowhouse is Paul Joseph Watson.
Just with more right-wing edge. |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:55 - Sep 24 with 1414 views | hampstead_blue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:47 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
You've spent an entire post admitting that basically you're not very well educated on a topic you were just espousing on and you've ended it by saying you're not the ignorant one. That doesn't add up. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or understanding, you've acknowledged that this describes you when it comes to Marxism.
Look, you were the one accusing me of supporting genocide a while ago so I think I've been rather civil considering the gravity of such accusations, especially as they come from a place of you being ill-informed. |
I'm hardly poorly educated, I just don't have a BA in the topic.
I've read and listened to enough to know that marxism, socialism, communism, all ruin lives and destroy freedom. The modern day examples of life in such societies are indisputable.
Your take on it is something which I would like to hear. It doesn't change the facts of what marxism and it's friends have left in their wake. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:57 - Sep 24 with 1406 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:48 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
Brilliant contribution as ever, I'm so glad you've joined us with your high level discourse. [Post edited 24 Sep 2020 15:49]
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thank you. and the world is certainly a far better place for another undergrad dissertation on marx. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:57 - Sep 24 with 1402 views | Darth_Koont |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:55 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'm hardly poorly educated, I just don't have a BA in the topic.
I've read and listened to enough to know that marxism, socialism, communism, all ruin lives and destroy freedom. The modern day examples of life in such societies are indisputable.
Your take on it is something which I would like to hear. It doesn't change the facts of what marxism and it's friends have left in their wake. |
You’re having an absolute shocker, mate. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:59 - Sep 24 with 1391 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:55 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'm hardly poorly educated, I just don't have a BA in the topic.
I've read and listened to enough to know that marxism, socialism, communism, all ruin lives and destroy freedom. The modern day examples of life in such societies are indisputable.
Your take on it is something which I would like to hear. It doesn't change the facts of what marxism and it's friends have left in their wake. |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:00 - Sep 24 with 1384 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:57 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
thank you. and the world is certainly a far better place for another undergrad dissertation on marx. |
You are utterly pointless. Barely even a troll. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:01 - Sep 24 with 1376 views | SpruceMoose |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:00 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
You are utterly pointless. Barely even a troll. |
I think his posting severely lacks direction and focuses when his master is away. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:04 - Sep 24 with 1365 views | jeera |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:55 - Sep 24 by hampstead_blue |
I'm hardly poorly educated, I just don't have a BA in the topic.
I've read and listened to enough to know that marxism, socialism, communism, all ruin lives and destroy freedom. The modern day examples of life in such societies are indisputable.
Your take on it is something which I would like to hear. It doesn't change the facts of what marxism and it's friends have left in their wake. |
"Its". That is the possessive form.
It's "its friends", not "it's".
That would mean "it is friends", which doesn't make sense here.
As an educated man you should know that, although you're far from alone to be fair. |  |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:05 - Sep 24 with 1360 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:57 - Sep 24 by Darth_Koont |
You’re having an absolute shocker, mate. |
Indeed. It's like he's utterly impervious to learning. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:06 - Sep 24 with 1354 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 15:51 - Sep 24 by Herbivore |
He's just a deeply bitter individual who likes to snipe from the sidelines, adding nothing of value, whilst occasionally complaining - with no sense of irony - about how poor the level of debate is on here. I imagine lowhouse knows as much about Marx as he knows about holding consistent, apolitical views on racism: absolutely feck all. |
sidelines? well, i can't be bothered to do more than that any more really. it's not worth it.
bitter? well, i do think that you and a small group have pretty much ruined this board. you're blinkered, dull and you shout people down.
a dissertation on marx seems about your level. | |
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| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:08 - Sep 24 with 1343 views | Herbivore |
| Why the woke movement and cancel culture is so dangerous. on 16:06 - Sep 24 by lowhouseblue |
sidelines? well, i can't be bothered to do more than that any more really. it's not worth it.
bitter? well, i do think that you and a small group have pretty much ruined this board. you're blinkered, dull and you shout people down.
a dissertation on marx seems about your level. |
Which is patently several levels above you, precious. | |
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