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Is America heading toward civil war? 09:27 - Sep 25 with 1310 viewsnoggin

Sky News have just shown a report about a far right group called The Oath Protectors. Full military uniform and assault rifles, on the streets at a BLM march. How easily could this turn into a full scale war?

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:35 - Sep 25 with 1045 viewsDanTheMan

They certainly think so:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-itchy-trigger-fingers-some-right-wingers

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:50 - Sep 25 with 1006 viewsWeWereZombies

Or are they just in an interregnum that started in 1861?

When I Googled US Civil War to check the date the third suggestion was US Civil War 2020..;

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:50 - Sep 25 with 998 viewsfactual_blue

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:35 - Sep 25 by DanTheMan

They certainly think so:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-itchy-trigger-fingers-some-right-wingers


Dixie never accepted they lost the first round anyway.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:53 - Sep 25 with 996 viewsHalf_Idiot

They're in a truly scary place at the moment.

Their upcoming election is essentially a choice between a right-wing dictatorship or a socialist revolution.

Edit: clearly I've made myself look a complete idiot here.
I do not believe Biden is going to be the architect of a socialist revolution. What I do believe is that Trump losing the election will give momentum to those fighting for a socialist revolution. The fight won't be over if Biden wins, just the opposition will be weakened without a far-right megalomaniac in a position of power.
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:57 - Sep 25 with 968 viewsDanTheMan

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:53 - Sep 25 by Half_Idiot

They're in a truly scary place at the moment.

Their upcoming election is essentially a choice between a right-wing dictatorship or a socialist revolution.

Edit: clearly I've made myself look a complete idiot here.
I do not believe Biden is going to be the architect of a socialist revolution. What I do believe is that Trump losing the election will give momentum to those fighting for a socialist revolution. The fight won't be over if Biden wins, just the opposition will be weakened without a far-right megalomaniac in a position of power.
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I'm not sure Biden would bring in a socialist revolution...

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:59 - Sep 25 with 952 viewsHerbivore

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:57 - Sep 25 by DanTheMan

I'm not sure Biden would bring in a socialist revolution...


Indeed. It's more of a choice between far right dictatorship and centre right liberal democracy.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:01 - Sep 25 with 945 viewsWeWereZombies

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:53 - Sep 25 by Half_Idiot

They're in a truly scary place at the moment.

Their upcoming election is essentially a choice between a right-wing dictatorship or a socialist revolution.

Edit: clearly I've made myself look a complete idiot here.
I do not believe Biden is going to be the architect of a socialist revolution. What I do believe is that Trump losing the election will give momentum to those fighting for a socialist revolution. The fight won't be over if Biden wins, just the opposition will be weakened without a far-right megalomaniac in a position of power.
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Now I wonder which part of that second sentence we can link your username to?

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:05 - Sep 25 with 923 viewsNthQldITFC

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:50 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies

Or are they just in an interregnum that started in 1861?

When I Googled US Civil War to check the date the third suggestion was US Civil War 2020..;


I always thought an interregnum was just a period between monarchs, so I thought you were suggesting Liz is going to send in the redcoats again. But I just looked it up and see that the term has been bastardised somewhat. That's what you get when you let bloody upstart empires use your language 'ad hoc'

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:07 - Sep 25 with 916 viewsHalf_Idiot

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:57 - Sep 25 by DanTheMan

I'm not sure Biden would bring in a socialist revolution...


No, you're right, he won't, but the removal of Trump would give momentum to those currently out protesting daily.
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:10 - Sep 25 with 900 viewsWeWereZombies

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:05 - Sep 25 by NthQldITFC

I always thought an interregnum was just a period between monarchs, so I thought you were suggesting Liz is going to send in the redcoats again. But I just looked it up and see that the term has been bastardised somewhat. That's what you get when you let bloody upstart empires use your language 'ad hoc'


I really should be careful with my language, what if we ended up with the Yanks realising they really had no clue and handing that mess of a colony back to us to sort out? As if we haven't got enough on our hands with Brexit and not being able to go to the pub properly. Still I guess that there are worse former colonies we could get saddled with...

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:11 - Sep 25 with 893 viewsHalf_Idiot

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:01 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies

Now I wonder which part of that second sentence we can link your username to?


I don't believe Biden is going to bring about a socialist revolution. It's more a comment about the removal of Trump giving momentum to those that want a socialist revolution.

Perhaps I've over simplified things in my statement.
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:14 - Sep 25 with 883 viewsBlueBadger

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:53 - Sep 25 by Half_Idiot

They're in a truly scary place at the moment.

Their upcoming election is essentially a choice between a right-wing dictatorship or a socialist revolution.

Edit: clearly I've made myself look a complete idiot here.
I do not believe Biden is going to be the architect of a socialist revolution. What I do believe is that Trump losing the election will give momentum to those fighting for a socialist revolution. The fight won't be over if Biden wins, just the opposition will be weakened without a far-right megalomaniac in a position of power.
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Your user name would appear to be only 50% correct, right now...

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:14 - Sep 25 with 884 viewsNthQldITFC

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:10 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies

I really should be careful with my language, what if we ended up with the Yanks realising they really had no clue and handing that mess of a colony back to us to sort out? As if we haven't got enough on our hands with Brexit and not being able to go to the pub properly. Still I guess that there are worse former colonies we could get saddled with...


...where could you mean?

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:15 - Sep 25 with 878 viewsHalf_Idiot

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:14 - Sep 25 by BlueBadger

Your user name would appear to be only 50% correct, right now...


Read the above. I am in no way saying that Biden is a socialist. I have clearly over simplified my things in my statement and it's made me look a right tit.
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:20 - Sep 25 with 868 viewsPendejo

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:10 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies

I really should be careful with my language, what if we ended up with the Yanks realising they really had no clue and handing that mess of a colony back to us to sort out? As if we haven't got enough on our hands with Brexit and not being able to go to the pub properly. Still I guess that there are worse former colonies we could get saddled with...


Make America Great Britain again.

The white supremacist types can relocate here and join the Brexiteers in a fun packed country of seething hatred, and we can all relocate to the place of our choice there.

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Thinking about it not such a good idea... San Andreas fault, forest fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, colder winters

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:26 - Sep 25 with 852 viewsBlueBadger

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:15 - Sep 25 by Half_Idiot

Read the above. I am in no way saying that Biden is a socialist. I have clearly over simplified my things in my statement and it's made me look a right tit.


Fair enough.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:27 - Sep 25 with 856 viewsOldsmoker

I suspect that some of those with guns are just 'w1lly waving'.
In modern times those wearing uniforms are just targets for civilians with a gun. The military uniform could be these guys downfall if their group is suspected of shooting and killing someone because they're easily identifiable.
'Male wearing a T-shirt' is not a helpful description for law enforcement.

If they're wearing uniforms they might have a leader + a chain of command which says they won't go Mad Max without reason.
The kid in Kenosha who killed 2 protestors was a loner and it is these types that worry me, so yes, sh1t could happen.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:52 - Sep 25 with 791 viewsElephantintheRoom

Not sure Texas ever surrendered - so technically the Civil War never ended

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:53 - Sep 25 with 796 viewsEdwardStone

Is America heading toward civil war? on 09:35 - Sep 25 by DanTheMan

They certainly think so:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-itchy-trigger-fingers-some-right-wingers


Arf at "Protect the Protectors" in the article

Of course, the military need a bunch of untrained hotheads to defend them
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:54 - Sep 25 with 788 viewsGuthrum

But no heavy weapons, air support, very large numbers or higher level organisation (these groups are also plagued by frequent infighting over who wants to be Fuhrer today).

The Civil War of the 1860s was only possible because each state had its own military/militia which could be mobilised as a framework for recruiting and deployment. As entire states were seceding from the Union, they were able to make use of this framework and the North similarly to oppose them. Also having the financial structures to fund their operation and the agricultural/manufacturing base to keep up supplies of food and ammunition.

There was also loyalty to the home State which was a driver for recruitment, far more than commitment to an ideology. People are prepared to die defending their homes, will they be so keen to sacrifice them for Trump?

In my view, violent unrest will be limited to incidents like Ruby Ridge, the Waco Siege and possibly the Oklahoma City Bombing. Equally, it could be largely defused like the Malheur Wildlife Refuge standoff in 2016.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:57 - Sep 25 with 772 viewsSarge

Sounds like the plot of Far Cry 5
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 11:49 - Sep 25 with 701 viewsGeoffSentence

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:10 - Sep 25 by WeWereZombies

I really should be careful with my language, what if we ended up with the Yanks realising they really had no clue and handing that mess of a colony back to us to sort out? As if we haven't got enough on our hands with Brexit and not being able to go to the pub properly. Still I guess that there are worse former colonies we could get saddled with...


If the yanks were aware enough to realise that they had no clue, surely they would have noticed that our lot don't either.

In the 38 games in which ALB played in goal for us, we averaged 1.53 points per game which, had they been over the course of a single season, would have seen us challenging for the play offs. This at a time when we were otherwise struggling against relegation. Oh, and didn't Mick Mills have terrific posture.
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Is America heading toward civil war? on 12:54 - Sep 25 with 638 viewsIllinoisblue

Things will turn very ugly no matter the result of the election.

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 13:12 - Sep 25 with 594 viewsNthQldITFC

Is America heading toward civil war? on 10:57 - Sep 25 by Sarge

Sounds like the plot of Far Cry 5


Is there a version of that where one attempts to wipe out the aristocracy? Far Cry: Toff?

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Is America heading toward civil war? on 13:55 - Sep 25 with 531 viewsNthQldITFC

Is America heading toward civil war? on 12:54 - Sep 25 by Illinoisblue

Things will turn very ugly no matter the result of the election.


The following quotation (emphasis is mine) from an article on CNN (linked), shows just how detached from conventional reality the situation is. That even a potential 'landslide victory' in Biden's favour might not be seen as decisive is terrifying really.

Perhaps the only thing that can reset that country now is an active rebellion from the more moderate(!) members of the Republican party.

'Whatever Trump has in mind, there is only one sure way to prevent a disaster that could engulf the entire country: A landslide victory for Biden would make it more difficult for Trump to remain in office by leveraging the courts, congressional Republicans and even the bands of extremists roaming anti-racism protests aiming to spark more chaos. A decisive electoral result could defang Trump's postelection troops.'

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/24/opinions/the-only-sure-way-to-prevent-trump-f

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