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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough 08:55 - Sep 28 with 568 viewsWeWereZombies

as well as basic common sense and decency:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54320030

Obviously it does not go far enough, nor does it address the problems that those living cities or large towns have with accessing green space (an issue that the pandemic has made pressing). There is a European Union target for urbanites to be no more than a kilometre from green space but, like our Government's legislation mentioned in this BBC article, it appears 'becalmed'. If dense population turns out to be one of the factors behind the current and any future pandemics then this is much more than a 'nice to have'.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:04 - Sep 28 with 537 viewsBloomBlue

It's difficult though isn't it. On the one hand people are demanding for more houses to be built while also calling for more green space and at the same time growing more of our own crops to reduce the impact on the environment from importing them from other countries, there is only so much land.
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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:14 - Sep 28 with 523 viewsWeWereZombies

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:04 - Sep 28 by BloomBlue

It's difficult though isn't it. On the one hand people are demanding for more houses to be built while also calling for more green space and at the same time growing more of our own crops to reduce the impact on the environment from importing them from other countries, there is only so much land.


There is only so much land but it is a question of how we use it. And I think we make poor use of much of it at the moment. The question of growing our own food is a good case in point. Factory farming is unsustainable in food security terms, we need to enrich our biodiversity to restore the complex web of ecosystems that support British agriculture. Meanwhile there would not be such a demand on agricultural resources if people grew more of their own vegetables and fruit, so houses with bigger gardens will help that and also make 'corridors' for wildlife to thrive in - as well as being another boost to mental health and physical fitness.

As far as housing goes, the right trees in the right places helps the uptake of groundwater and can go some way to restoring the flood plains we have created with steamrollered and over tidy development schemes.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:17 - Sep 28 with 518 viewshomer_123

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:14 - Sep 28 by WeWereZombies

There is only so much land but it is a question of how we use it. And I think we make poor use of much of it at the moment. The question of growing our own food is a good case in point. Factory farming is unsustainable in food security terms, we need to enrich our biodiversity to restore the complex web of ecosystems that support British agriculture. Meanwhile there would not be such a demand on agricultural resources if people grew more of their own vegetables and fruit, so houses with bigger gardens will help that and also make 'corridors' for wildlife to thrive in - as well as being another boost to mental health and physical fitness.

As far as housing goes, the right trees in the right places helps the uptake of groundwater and can go some way to restoring the flood plains we have created with steamrollered and over tidy development schemes.


Just a small point - the amount of the UK that is actually developed and built on is a lot, lot smaller than you realise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901297

For reference: anywhere between 1% and 5%.
[Post edited 28 Sep 2020 9:18]

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:22 - Sep 28 with 505 viewsGuthrum

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:04 - Sep 28 by BloomBlue

It's difficult though isn't it. On the one hand people are demanding for more houses to be built while also calling for more green space and at the same time growing more of our own crops to reduce the impact on the environment from importing them from other countries, there is only so much land.


There are two aspects of housing: Where it is built and the type of homes. If you're putting up expensive* houses in prime locations, to maximise profits for the developer, that is not necessarily fulfilling the need.



* Often not large or even well-constructed.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:28 - Sep 28 with 496 viewsGuthrum

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:17 - Sep 28 by homer_123

Just a small point - the amount of the UK that is actually developed and built on is a lot, lot smaller than you realise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901297

For reference: anywhere between 1% and 5%.
[Post edited 28 Sep 2020 9:18]


The issue with that being that there is no reason to live in large parts of the country, either - chiefly little or no employment. In addition, it may be unsuitable, think the Yorkshire Dales, Welsh mountains or the Scottish Highlands, hilly and with poor communication networks.

The desirable areas, on the other hand, such as London or, increasingly, Manchester, have become saturated. Compare maps of the cities in the 1950s and now. The increase in solid urban areas is considerable.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:31 - Sep 28 with 494 viewshomer_123

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:28 - Sep 28 by Guthrum

The issue with that being that there is no reason to live in large parts of the country, either - chiefly little or no employment. In addition, it may be unsuitable, think the Yorkshire Dales, Welsh mountains or the Scottish Highlands, hilly and with poor communication networks.

The desirable areas, on the other hand, such as London or, increasingly, Manchester, have become saturated. Compare maps of the cities in the 1950s and now. The increase in solid urban areas is considerable.


'chiefly little or no employment.'

Of course, this is one thing that is coming out of Covid - many more businesses recognise that you don't have to be based in urban areas for work.

It's one of the major changes we might see and potentially a stop to the exodus from the countryside to the cities.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:31 - Sep 28 with 491 viewsNthQldITFC

Yeah, credit where it's due. Movement in the right direction on this, so irrespective of other issues 'well done Boris, keep it up and take it further'.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:36 - Sep 28 with 483 viewsWeWereZombies

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:17 - Sep 28 by homer_123

Just a small point - the amount of the UK that is actually developed and built on is a lot, lot smaller than you realise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901297

For reference: anywhere between 1% and 5%.
[Post edited 28 Sep 2020 9:18]


That is interesting, isn't it?

One of the points made in the article is how tied to the urban fabric and accompanying discontinuity most be are. I think this creates a common mindset that unsettles, that is removed from the mainstream nature that people lived amongst for hundreds of thousands of years. What, in Darwinian terms, we became adapted to.

But there is another aspect of our adaptation that is much more difficult to appreciate and that is the human effect on almost all of the non-urban land. We have deforested, installed hedges, grubbed up hedges, built roads across the trackways that ground based fauna use that disrupts their free passage and so on. OK, we do not suffer a few thousand wolf attacks every year any more but does that compare to everyone starving in future?

So only 0.1% actual urban development and less than six per cent of surrounding hard core urbanisation but, like a field effect, human development pervades throughout all of the land. We cannot return to some idealistic state of nature but we can take our stewardship much more seriously, because we have powerful brains compared to most other organisms as well as opposable thumbs and the ability to get by on a varied diet so we are the species that has to do that job.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:52 - Sep 28 with 466 viewsGuthrum

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:31 - Sep 28 by homer_123

'chiefly little or no employment.'

Of course, this is one thing that is coming out of Covid - many more businesses recognise that you don't have to be based in urban areas for work.

It's one of the major changes we might see and potentially a stop to the exodus from the countryside to the cities.


We'll have to see how far that trend develops.

One issue with a dispersed population is lack of amenities - particularly social venues. It also becomes necessary to improve transport networks and infrastructure.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:58 - Sep 28 with 460 viewsWeWereZombies

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:52 - Sep 28 by Guthrum

We'll have to see how far that trend develops.

One issue with a dispersed population is lack of amenities - particularly social venues. It also becomes necessary to improve transport networks and infrastructure.


Don't underestimate the ability of rural folks to organise things, and become adapt at such organisation as needs must. My local is one of the best venues for live music I know, and on the very space in our community hall where I have sold books and CDs in aid of the island's defibrillator charity I have also seen a coffin as part of a Humanist funeral and Breabach, an award winning folk group (those three things didn't happen all at the same time though...)

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 10:05 - Sep 28 with 456 viewsGuthrum

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 09:58 - Sep 28 by WeWereZombies

Don't underestimate the ability of rural folks to organise things, and become adapt at such organisation as needs must. My local is one of the best venues for live music I know, and on the very space in our community hall where I have sold books and CDs in aid of the island's defibrillator charity I have also seen a coffin as part of a Humanist funeral and Breabach, an award winning folk group (those three things didn't happen all at the same time though...)


Quite. But that all takes effort and organisation. Many villages have had that kind of thing sucked out of them in recent decades. You have an advantage (in one sense) of not being anywhere near a much larger centre, so it has had to survive.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 10:11 - Sep 28 with 451 viewsWeWereZombies

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 10:05 - Sep 28 by Guthrum

Quite. But that all takes effort and organisation. Many villages have had that kind of thing sucked out of them in recent decades. You have an advantage (in one sense) of not being anywhere near a much larger centre, so it has had to survive.


True, but it can still be astonishing what small communities or even a single person can do when they set their ind to it:


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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 10:20 - Sep 28 with 445 viewsGuthrum

Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 10:11 - Sep 28 by WeWereZombies

True, but it can still be astonishing what small communities or even a single person can do when they set their ind to it:



There often is a single person at the heart of it, providing the drive to get things done. Perhaps seen as the village busybody, but who gets stuff moving.

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Well this, at least, is start from Boris Johnson as a reply to XR, Attenborough on 16:21 - Sep 28 with 364 viewsfactual_blue

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