| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned 12:35 - Sep 28 with 7163 views | pointofblue |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54322650
The bit that gets me is the finger pointing at Government policy and saying the Government should step in to save the game. Whilst I think the current mob are incompetent and, in a way, dangerous, I do not see why they should look to procure loans or throw taxpayers money at a sport which is generating billions of pounds a year in revenue and is pleading poverty at the same time as spending millions of pounds in transfer fees and salaries. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:39 - Sep 28 with 2514 views | homer_123 |
Football, as with many other industries, is going to have to adapt - it's current model (certainly under Covid) isn't sustainable. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:41 - Sep 28 with 2513 views | giant_stow |
Totally agree.
This quote: "It cannot be the Premier League's sole responsibility to sort out issues arising from government policy." is exactly wrong. There's tons of money in football and it should be down the rich clubs to bailout the poorer. Anything else would affectively be a case of the govt subsidising rich footballer saleries. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:43 - Sep 28 with 2499 views | itfcjoe |
Is that not like saying Government shouldn't protect the local shops in town because Amazon are still making money in retail?
Chelsea spending millions this summer of Abramovich's money has nothing to do with the financial health of Rochdale, Burton, Accrington and Ipswich |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:44 - Sep 28 with 2497 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The problem is very few clubs actually make money.
Yes billions go in at the top, but it just pisses through the funnel straight to the players and the agents.
There are only two ways that football can help itself;
- Donations from 'rich' owners (who may well be experiencing cash flow issues themselves).
- Players taking a pay cut. And we know that players are not the slightest bit interested in trying to help. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:47 - Sep 28 with 2474 views | homer_123 |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:43 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
Is that not like saying Government shouldn't protect the local shops in town because Amazon are still making money in retail?
Chelsea spending millions this summer of Abramovich's money has nothing to do with the financial health of Rochdale, Burton, Accrington and Ipswich |
Again, shops need to adapt.
Aldi - now hooked up with Deliveroo for 'same day delivery' for example. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:48 - Sep 28 with 2480 views | itfcjoe |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:44 - Sep 28 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The problem is very few clubs actually make money.
Yes billions go in at the top, but it just pisses through the funnel straight to the players and the agents.
There are only two ways that football can help itself;
- Donations from 'rich' owners (who may well be experiencing cash flow issues themselves).
- Players taking a pay cut. And we know that players are not the slightest bit interested in trying to help. |
You love to blame the players here, but if clubs have no revenue what do you expect these players to do when they have a short career as it is? | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:49 - Sep 28 with 2459 views | itfcjoe |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:47 - Sep 28 by homer_123 |
Again, shops need to adapt.
Aldi - now hooked up with Deliveroo for 'same day delivery' for example. |
Then we might as well say no Government support for any industry and that they all need to 'adapt' | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:52 - Sep 28 with 2451 views | giant_stow |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:43 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
Is that not like saying Government shouldn't protect the local shops in town because Amazon are still making money in retail?
Chelsea spending millions this summer of Abramovich's money has nothing to do with the financial health of Rochdale, Burton, Accrington and Ipswich |
I'm not sure than analogy works personally. Amazon are in direct competition with local shops and have no reason to support them. Chelsea aren't in direct competition with lower league clubs and might well need those clubs to develop players either as youths or loanies. Amazon has have no reliance on local shops at all, where as Chelsea depend to some degree on the health of football as a whole, both as a culture thing, but they also need relegation to provide jeopardy and interest lower down the prem. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:53 - Sep 28 with 2449 views | giant_stow |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:48 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
You love to blame the players here, but if clubs have no revenue what do you expect these players to do when they have a short career as it is? |
Then it in the players interests to make sure the clubs survive as businesses, just like many other workers in other industires have taken pay cuts over the years. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:53 - Sep 28 with 2446 views | pointofblue |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:43 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
Is that not like saying Government shouldn't protect the local shops in town because Amazon are still making money in retail?
Chelsea spending millions this summer of Abramovich's money has nothing to do with the financial health of Rochdale, Burton, Accrington and Ipswich |
I wouldn’t say people’s personal money or the money which the clubs generate themselves should be redistributed but the television money - for winning the Premier League last year Liverpool were given £174.6m. Norwich, in 20th, got £94.5m and that’s excluding the upcoming parachute payments. In comparison, Championship home sides get between £100k and £140k per home game aired with the away side being given £10k. I think winning the division may bring in something like £500k. It’s a ridiculous difference and something which could be amended to sort out this mess. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:58 - Sep 28 with 2432 views | homer_123 |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:49 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
Then we might as well say no Government support for any industry and that they all need to 'adapt' |
Yes and No Joe. The reality with the Covid situation is that we are heading to a point where things are not going to return to normal (in some cases even close to what they were).
Therefore, things cannot continue as they were. Be it travel, hospitality, football or whatever - how 'long' does the Government subsidise these? No point subsidising them if all it means they continue 'as they are' and don't adapt and therefore end up relying on bail-outs etc.
There are, clearly, critical areas that do need short term help and assistance - football isn't one of them. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:00 - Sep 28 with 2426 views | homer_123 |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:53 - Sep 28 by giant_stow |
Then it in the players interests to make sure the clubs survive as businesses, just like many other workers in other industires have taken pay cuts over the years. |
Yep - exactly that.
This would require a mindset shift from footballers and their agents though - thinking about football overall as opposed to just their personal circumstance. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:00 - Sep 28 with 2423 views | itfcjoe |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:53 - Sep 28 by giant_stow |
Then it in the players interests to make sure the clubs survive as businesses, just like many other workers in other industires have taken pay cuts over the years. |
But at the clubs where they need big paycuts to survive the players already earn next to nothing and will be on a 1 year contract - what happens then? It isn't realistic, or fair, to expect people to basically make themselves unemployed, in addition to unemployable.
Football, like the arts, it's contributor to a lot of joy to a lot of people in this world, brings communities together and is a focal point - and whilst these clubs are trying to get back to support their community and make themselves Covid safe the Government are stopping them from trading unilaterally. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:03 - Sep 28 with 2409 views | pointofblue |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:00 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
But at the clubs where they need big paycuts to survive the players already earn next to nothing and will be on a 1 year contract - what happens then? It isn't realistic, or fair, to expect people to basically make themselves unemployed, in addition to unemployable.
Football, like the arts, it's contributor to a lot of joy to a lot of people in this world, brings communities together and is a focal point - and whilst these clubs are trying to get back to support their community and make themselves Covid safe the Government are stopping them from trading unilaterally. |
Though it’s a juggling act - if players don’t take a cut then the club may go into administration or liquidation; if the latter then they’d be out of a job anyway. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:03 - Sep 28 with 2404 views | itfcjoe |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:58 - Sep 28 by homer_123 |
Yes and No Joe. The reality with the Covid situation is that we are heading to a point where things are not going to return to normal (in some cases even close to what they were).
Therefore, things cannot continue as they were. Be it travel, hospitality, football or whatever - how 'long' does the Government subsidise these? No point subsidising them if all it means they continue 'as they are' and don't adapt and therefore end up relying on bail-outs etc.
There are, clearly, critical areas that do need short term help and assistance - football isn't one of them. |
It is for me, like the Arts are for others - the country is much richer for having them as part of our culture.
And when the Givt are shutting them down, and not allowing them to trade in a Covid safe manner then they should foot the bill | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:03 - Sep 28 with 2406 views | Guthrum |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:48 - Sep 28 by itfcjoe |
You love to blame the players here, but if clubs have no revenue what do you expect these players to do when they have a short career as it is? |
Problem with the "short career" argument - players are entirely capable of getting another job after they retire from the game. It is not necessary that they should fund themselves for life from their football income.
Tho it is also true that the majority of them aren't earning anywhere near enough to do that, more than to give themselves a nice nest-egg (if they save wisely).
Perhaps the future will see semi-professional players with day- or summer jobs as far up the pyramid as League One, or higher. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:07 - Sep 28 with 2390 views | monytowbray |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:39 - Sep 28 by homer_123 |
Football, as with many other industries, is going to have to adapt - it's current model (certainly under Covid) isn't sustainable. |
The whole "We've created an eco system that thrives on greed and none of the shareholders want to give back the bottomless pot of money they've filled yet will never empty in a thousand lifetimes" approach to business was never sustainable for the many.
Air travel. Rail travel. Tech. Countless industries are in this boat RN.
We should have never allowed it to get that far but I guess the fake dream we've all been sold that anyone can be a millionaire had to end up somewhere. Not to mention I imagine all of us on this forum are more likely to become homeless in our lifetimes than even know a billionaire personally let alone be one.
Profit is stolen wages. The c*nts should give it back. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:07 - Sep 28 with 2398 views | itfcjoe |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:03 - Sep 28 by Guthrum |
Problem with the "short career" argument - players are entirely capable of getting another job after they retire from the game. It is not necessary that they should fund themselves for life from their football income.
Tho it is also true that the majority of them aren't earning anywhere near enough to do that, more than to give themselves a nice nest-egg (if they save wisely).
Perhaps the future will see semi-professional players with day- or summer jobs as far up the pyramid as League One, or higher. |
I'm not saying it's the biggest issue re short career, but currently some on here are asking those to take the burden when it will effectively end their career - if in an industry everyone knew their job was safe at the other side then there would be more willing participants in the scheme.
Thats' not the case here, and the people being asked to make the sacrifice are killing themselves | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:08 - Sep 28 with 2381 views | StokieBlue |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 12:41 - Sep 28 by giant_stow |
Totally agree.
This quote: "It cannot be the Premier League's sole responsibility to sort out issues arising from government policy." is exactly wrong. There's tons of money in football and it should be down the rich clubs to bailout the poorer. Anything else would affectively be a case of the govt subsidising rich footballer saleries. |
That's pretty much the same as saying Waitrose should bail out the local corner shop as there is lots of money in the food retail sector.
Something needs to be done and the Premier League are a bunch of greedy gits but they have a point.
What they seem to be missing is that it's in their best interests to have a fully functioning football pyramid below them for a number of reasons.
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:12 - Sep 28 with 2357 views | pointofblue |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:08 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
That's pretty much the same as saying Waitrose should bail out the local corner shop as there is lots of money in the food retail sector.
Something needs to be done and the Premier League are a bunch of greedy gits but they have a point.
What they seem to be missing is that it's in their best interests to have a fully functioning football pyramid below them for a number of reasons.
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As said above, I don’t think it is the same. Firstly because the supermarkets are in direct competition with the local shops whilst, in truth, the Premier League sides are not direct competition with the EFL due to the disparity; secondly a simple redistribution of television money would sort this out very quickly - especially if the players at the top of the food chain would agree to a sustainable wage. Wasn’t it said that Gareth Bale’s wage for a week/month would cover Covid tests for the entire EFL this season? | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:13 - Sep 28 with 2346 views | TractorWood |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:08 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
That's pretty much the same as saying Waitrose should bail out the local corner shop as there is lots of money in the food retail sector.
Something needs to be done and the Premier League are a bunch of greedy gits but they have a point.
What they seem to be missing is that it's in their best interests to have a fully functioning football pyramid below them for a number of reasons.
SB |
It's a industry that has been ruined by money. It's a fickle bubble and football has done nothing to address its long term sustainability. It continues along merrily in total denial occasionally pointing the figure at other people. |  |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:15 - Sep 28 with 2334 views | giant_stow |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:08 - Sep 28 by StokieBlue |
That's pretty much the same as saying Waitrose should bail out the local corner shop as there is lots of money in the food retail sector.
Something needs to be done and the Premier League are a bunch of greedy gits but they have a point.
What they seem to be missing is that it's in their best interests to have a fully functioning football pyramid below them for a number of reasons.
SB |
Its not really stokie - Waitrose don't rely on corner shops for anything and only compete with them. That can't be said of prem clubs / lower league clubs.
I spose the question is, if loads of lower league clubs went bust, how badly would that affect prem clubs? The FA cup and league cup would be dead (although that might suit some) and there'd be no where for the prem to loan out their players or blud yongsters. I reckon they'd feel that eventually, plus who knows how prem club fans would react to such a situation... | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:15 - Sep 28 with 2331 views | monytowbray |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:13 - Sep 28 by TractorWood |
It's a industry that has been ruined by money. It's a fickle bubble and football has done nothing to address its long term sustainability. It continues along merrily in total denial occasionally pointing the figure at other people. |
I've said here before football is the only industry I know where you can sh1t on your customers and they'll come back again and again hoping this time you don't get covered in sh1t.
Ipswich are a good case in point, we're covered in poo from head to toe and have been for 18 years.
The vouchers were a nice touch I guess... | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:17 - Sep 28 with 2322 views | pointofblue |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:15 - Sep 28 by giant_stow |
Its not really stokie - Waitrose don't rely on corner shops for anything and only compete with them. That can't be said of prem clubs / lower league clubs.
I spose the question is, if loads of lower league clubs went bust, how badly would that affect prem clubs? The FA cup and league cup would be dead (although that might suit some) and there'd be no where for the prem to loan out their players or blud yongsters. I reckon they'd feel that eventually, plus who knows how prem club fans would react to such a situation... |
They’d just fill the lower leagues with their B teams instead, so the youngsters would get experience that way. The Premier League would become the British version of the NFL - a closed shop. | |
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| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:18 - Sep 28 with 2317 views | giant_stow |
| Football structure at risk of collapse, Government warned on 13:17 - Sep 28 by pointofblue |
They’d just fill the lower leagues with their B teams instead, so the youngsters would get experience that way. The Premier League would become the British version of the NFL - a closed shop. |
Spose so, but don;t they have reserve leagues already? (My footballing ignorance might be showing!) | |
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