| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? 08:17 - Oct 3 with 3124 views | Herbivore |
Hopefully this lad will be decent and can offer something different but I do wonder about the areas of the squad we are prioritising. First off, we signed a CB despite having four senior CBs plus Ndaba but no specialist right back currently fit and good enough to play, hence Chambers continuing to fill in there. I know others don't have an issue with that but for me it was an odd area to bring someone in with the gaps we had elsewhere.
Now we've signed a player that will presumably be pushing to play wide forward. We already have Sears, Edwards, Lankester, and Judge who have played those two roles. Dobra and Jackson are also options there. That looks a good amount of cover to me. Contrast that with the central striker role where we have Hawkins and possibly Jackson, though it's nowhere near an ideal role for him.
Just seems to me that in a season where our budget is limited we've added two loan signings in areas of the squad that are already well-covered whilst still leaving a couple of important gaps. We continue to have a very large squad but not a brilliantly balanced one. |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 08:35 - Oct 3 with 2891 views | Dennyx4 |
Some very valid points.
In my opinion, and know this is not the view of the majority - Chambers best position now is Right Back, I would place him behind Toto, Woolf & Mcguiness for the central position.
We do need pace out wide, agree Jackson could have been an option, however Lambert has very rarely played him there, and obviously doesn't see him as a wide forward.
It is the front three, that still needs work - Not sure Norwood or Judge suit that system either to be honest. Bennetts may be a natural and if we can improve any of the front three positions, it has to be good for the team.
Lastly, this deal was probably already being done, prior to Norwoood's injury. |  | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 08:55 - Oct 3 with 2849 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 08:35 - Oct 3 by Dennyx4 |
Some very valid points.
In my opinion, and know this is not the view of the majority - Chambers best position now is Right Back, I would place him behind Toto, Woolf & Mcguiness for the central position.
We do need pace out wide, agree Jackson could have been an option, however Lambert has very rarely played him there, and obviously doesn't see him as a wide forward.
It is the front three, that still needs work - Not sure Norwood or Judge suit that system either to be honest. Bennetts may be a natural and if we can improve any of the front three positions, it has to be good for the team.
Lastly, this deal was probably already being done, prior to Norwoood's injury. |
How much have you seen of McGuinness? |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:00 - Oct 3 with 2838 views | BrixtonBlue |
I agree generally, although I suspect McGuinness and Bennetts are players we've been after for some time - and because they're class players and the best we can get, rather than the most urgent areas.
Perhaps there isn't a big, quality, hold-up expert goalscorer we can get on loan of this quality. Perhaps we have had an iron in that fire but haven't been able to pull it off for some reason (or we're still trying). To be fair, the other two came out of the blue.
I'm sure Lambert would have one if he could get one.
Right back's less of an issue for me. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:08 - Oct 3 with 2821 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:00 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I agree generally, although I suspect McGuinness and Bennetts are players we've been after for some time - and because they're class players and the best we can get, rather than the most urgent areas.
Perhaps there isn't a big, quality, hold-up expert goalscorer we can get on loan of this quality. Perhaps we have had an iron in that fire but haven't been able to pull it off for some reason (or we're still trying). To be fair, the other two came out of the blue.
I'm sure Lambert would have one if he could get one.
Right back's less of an issue for me. |
I worry about right back. We know that Chambers can do okay there but over a run of games he will get shown up at times and thus far we've not been tested much defensively in our opening games. I give it a month before people are complaining about Chambers at right back after he has a poor game or two there. I guess I just struggle to see the benefit in swelling a squad that is already too large in areas where we have players that are perfectly capable of playing at this level. This new signing feels similar in that regard. They may be good players but the squad is huge for this level and has a couple of glaring gaps, it's odd to keep adding to it in areas that don't address those gaps. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:15 - Oct 3 with 2803 views | Dubtractor |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:08 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
I worry about right back. We know that Chambers can do okay there but over a run of games he will get shown up at times and thus far we've not been tested much defensively in our opening games. I give it a month before people are complaining about Chambers at right back after he has a poor game or two there. I guess I just struggle to see the benefit in swelling a squad that is already too large in areas where we have players that are perfectly capable of playing at this level. This new signing feels similar in that regard. They may be good players but the squad is huge for this level and has a couple of glaring gaps, it's odd to keep adding to it in areas that don't address those gaps. |
I'm with you on both players really.
Obviously it is good to strengthen the squad, and if they are improvements on other options then that is fine, but no argument that we are now overstocked in some areas and looking pretty short at RB and CF.
Chambers at RB so far has been more than OK, much like Wilson and Toto at CB, but it would be foolish to ignore just how poor the opposition has been in at attacking sense. I'm struggling to think of a save of note that Holy has needed to make in the 3 games.
With Drinan and Norwood fit I'd be comfortable with our options up front, albeit not convinced with the suitability of all of them to play as the lone frontman, but with those two out for a period I would really like to see another player signed who can hold the ball up and bring the attacking midfielders into play. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 9:16]
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:17 - Oct 3 with 2796 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:08 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
I worry about right back. We know that Chambers can do okay there but over a run of games he will get shown up at times and thus far we've not been tested much defensively in our opening games. I give it a month before people are complaining about Chambers at right back after he has a poor game or two there. I guess I just struggle to see the benefit in swelling a squad that is already too large in areas where we have players that are perfectly capable of playing at this level. This new signing feels similar in that regard. They may be good players but the squad is huge for this level and has a couple of glaring gaps, it's odd to keep adding to it in areas that don't address those gaps. |
(a) you worry too much
(b) you assume Lambert knows what he is doing
(c) most of those quality wide payers you list are incapable of playing 90 mins without injuring themselves
(d) name the last loan player who made any sense whatsoever? |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:19 - Oct 3 with 2790 views | JakeITFC |
May also be a case that when you can get good quality players that don’t come under the salary cap rules, you might as well take them? |  | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:31 - Oct 3 with 2765 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:08 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
I worry about right back. We know that Chambers can do okay there but over a run of games he will get shown up at times and thus far we've not been tested much defensively in our opening games. I give it a month before people are complaining about Chambers at right back after he has a poor game or two there. I guess I just struggle to see the benefit in swelling a squad that is already too large in areas where we have players that are perfectly capable of playing at this level. This new signing feels similar in that regard. They may be good players but the squad is huge for this level and has a couple of glaring gaps, it's odd to keep adding to it in areas that don't address those gaps. |
As I said, maybe we've been unable to fill the gaps. So we strengthened in other areas. There certainly is a benefit to that, if these kids are game-changing wonderkids potentially... even if they aren't in the ideal areas. A bit more quality can't do any harm, wherever it is.
Fair point about Chambers, but we're in October now... if KVY is due back well before Christmas I think Chambo can cope until then. Plus we also have Donacian knocking about somewhere in the wings, and presumably a youngster too? It's not anywhere near as urgent as a centre forward IMO. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:36 - Oct 3 with 2747 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
Any quality signing, loan or otherwise, is fine with me. He is quick, which no defender likes. I guess we will have to wait and see. |  | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:40 - Oct 3 with 2730 views | Bluefish |
The wage cap is probably causing the issue, the 2 coming in are too young for the wage cap but I expect he wants a bit more experience to lead the front line. We need to shift some out quickly but it will probably mean shifting 3 or 4 to get 1 in. Candidates are
Edwards
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Judge
Donacien
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:52 - Oct 3 with 2710 views | Chrisd |
No matter what PL says and others trying to convince themselves, Donacien is a RB primarily not a CB so there is a an option there but a limited one in KVY's absence. Has Chambers played more games for us at RB than at CB? The CB area still has plenty of questions yet to be answered, Wilson certainly isn't the answer and there still remain doubts regarding Nsiala, although he is proving a lot of people wrong at the moment - me included! Is this also the same Judge you keep referring to as not having done enough to justify his starting position and hasn't got the legs to be a wide player on a daily basis? Dobra has limited first team experience, is arguably not physically ready and would benefit from a loan to help his development. It will be Jackson and Hawkins battling for that central role now, there's little evidence to suggest Jackson is the answer in that wide area apart from his pace, it doesn't mean he has the footballing nous to deliver there. If anything we have better wide options and hopefully Bennetts will add to the depth, if not starting. Obviously, both the two loan signings have things to prove to themselves and their parent clubs, but on pedigree you'd say they strengthen our squad rather than weaken it. If these two end up playing for us regularly these are exactly the type of signings needed to take us up a couple of levels in the way we play. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 9:59]
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:57 - Oct 3 with 2682 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:17 - Oct 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
(a) you worry too much
(b) you assume Lambert knows what he is doing
(c) most of those quality wide payers you list are incapable of playing 90 mins without injuring themselves
(d) name the last loan player who made any sense whatsoever? |
So much edge, so little point. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:00 - Oct 3 with 2670 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:19 - Oct 3 by JakeITFC |
May also be a case that when you can get good quality players that don’t come under the salary cap rules, you might as well take them? |
Sure, but on the one hand we've got Lambert and most of us fans saying the squad is too large and needs trimming, whilst noting one or two areas where we perhaps lack. It's then odd to swell the squad further in areas that are well stocked already whilst leaving those gaps. The quality of these two loanees is, at this point, entirely unknown; neither of them has played senior football at any kind of level yet. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:06 - Oct 3 with 2659 views | IpswichKnight |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:00 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
Sure, but on the one hand we've got Lambert and most of us fans saying the squad is too large and needs trimming, whilst noting one or two areas where we perhaps lack. It's then odd to swell the squad further in areas that are well stocked already whilst leaving those gaps. The quality of these two loanees is, at this point, entirely unknown; neither of them has played senior football at any kind of level yet. |
Most of those we’ve got playing wide are not natural wide players, I’d say only Lankaster and probably Edwards are natural wide/ wingers the rest are either Strikers or central midfielders. Judge has now got to be the back up to Bishop and Nolan, Sears will probably start until Lankaster is fit then we have 3 wide players for 2 roles. | | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:12 - Oct 3 with 2645 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:06 - Oct 3 by IpswichKnight |
Most of those we’ve got playing wide are not natural wide players, I’d say only Lankaster and probably Edwards are natural wide/ wingers the rest are either Strikers or central midfielders. Judge has now got to be the back up to Bishop and Nolan, Sears will probably start until Lankaster is fit then we have 3 wide players for 2 roles. |
Sears has played most of his best football playing as a wide forward, I don't think it's right to say it's not his natural position. Jackson has played some football as a right sided forward and does his best work in those channels. The system also works well for the likes of both Lankester and Dobra. Judge I agree is more of a back up player and is a bit makeshift out wide but he can do a decent enough job there. However you slice it were discussing 5 or 6 of our own players in relation to the wide forward role and that is plenty. It's really not a priority area to strengthen when we already have a big squad but have gaps in other key areas. People do love a signing though. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:32 - Oct 3 with 2623 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:12 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
Sears has played most of his best football playing as a wide forward, I don't think it's right to say it's not his natural position. Jackson has played some football as a right sided forward and does his best work in those channels. The system also works well for the likes of both Lankester and Dobra. Judge I agree is more of a back up player and is a bit makeshift out wide but he can do a decent enough job there. However you slice it were discussing 5 or 6 of our own players in relation to the wide forward role and that is plenty. It's really not a priority area to strengthen when we already have a big squad but have gaps in other key areas. People do love a signing though. |
You keep making the same point about gaps in other key areas but seem to be avoiding mine that perhaps we HAVE tried to fill them and couldn't. So we've gone for high quality in other areas instead. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:45 - Oct 3 with 2582 views | hampstead_blue |
If this new chap reduces our reliance on Sears and Judge then I'm 100% behind it.
Those two are bang average L1 players. Anything we can do to improve supply and guile is a step forward. |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:57 - Oct 3 with 2563 views | JakeITFC |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:00 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
Sure, but on the one hand we've got Lambert and most of us fans saying the squad is too large and needs trimming, whilst noting one or two areas where we perhaps lack. It's then odd to swell the squad further in areas that are well stocked already whilst leaving those gaps. The quality of these two loanees is, at this point, entirely unknown; neither of them has played senior football at any kind of level yet. |
I think the squad is too bloated, but the problem is that losing players above the salary cap is pretty much a false economy.
This is a weird year for us in which we may as well just carry these guys and hope for the best, with a proper rebuild needed next summer when contracts expire. | | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 12:13 - Oct 3 with 2490 views | Dennyx4 |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 08:55 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
How much have you seen of McGuinness? |
Just the once, so may not be enough for the judgement - it is more based on what I have seen from Chambers as a central defender. | | | |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 12:42 - Oct 3 with 2450 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 10:32 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
You keep making the same point about gaps in other key areas but seem to be avoiding mine that perhaps we HAVE tried to fill them and couldn't. So we've gone for high quality in other areas instead. |
Have we gone for high quality? That's a stretch, they've barely played any competetive football at a proper level. And I'm not sure I get the logic of padding the squad further in areas we're well-stocked because we're struggling to find players in areas we actually need them. It's also a bit of a stretch to think that there's not a single centre forward or right back available within our budget. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 12:53 - Oct 3 with 2421 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 12:42 - Oct 3 by Herbivore |
Have we gone for high quality? That's a stretch, they've barely played any competetive football at a proper level. And I'm not sure I get the logic of padding the squad further in areas we're well-stocked because we're struggling to find players in areas we actually need them. It's also a bit of a stretch to think that there's not a single centre forward or right back available within our budget. |
So what you're boiling it down to is Lambert doesn't know what he's doing, again? Is that what this whole thread is about? | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 13:00 - Oct 3 with 2407 views | Vic |
Yep, I’ve thought the same. Regarding a CF I console myself that, however inept we may think PL is at times, he and the other staff can see how light we are up front. So I assume that he’s tried/is trying to get someone else in.
With regards to the two loanees who have come in my assumption is that with time the lad from Arsenal will get in the team and stay there ahead of Toto. I reckon we’ll end up with him and Woolfie as our Centre half pairing. At the moment though I agree with not changing until injury or form require it. The lad from Germany sounds like a bit of a punt to me - probs not costing us a lot.
Chambers at RB? I think we sometimes forget how much he played there a few seasons ago in the Championship and that, despite our protestations, he was rarely roasted and the team as a whole did pretty well. So I’m not too concerned about RB and think we have others that can cover well enough if necessary. |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 14:24 - Oct 3 with 2310 views | Herbivore |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 12:53 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
So what you're boiling it down to is Lambert doesn't know what he's doing, again? Is that what this whole thread is about? |
Glad you're finally connecting the dots. | |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 14:28 - Oct 3 with 2303 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Two points. First Chambers has played more games at RB than CB I believe (or certainly a similar number) and it is notable we have done well with him there. Second the new signing is a wide forward who can play through the middle isn't he? |  |
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| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 14:32 - Oct 3 with 2295 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Did we need a wide player rather than a centre forward? on 09:17 - Oct 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
(a) you worry too much
(b) you assume Lambert knows what he is doing
(c) most of those quality wide payers you list are incapable of playing 90 mins without injuring themselves
(d) name the last loan player who made any sense whatsoever? |
Name the last loan player to make sense ...
Personally Mark McGuiness makes sense to me when we really could do with 4 CBs and Chambers is playing as RB.
Aside from that, Luke Garbutt. | |
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