| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... 12:44 - Oct 13 with 2015 views | monytowbray |
...who is doing it and why?
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-54065470
The realist in me says it’s a mix of those already down a rabbit hole of fringe conspiracy linking a lot of stuff together with 2020 goings on among the normies, many of which are confused and vulnerable RN. No biggie.
But the real question is who is behind the original messages? Both Qanon and the former Pizzagate are heavily tied into the idea that it’s all Democrats up to the evils and claiming the saviour is the Republican bloke who has more evidence of child rape and criminal dealings pinned his name than your average mob boss.
Jim Watkins is heavily suggested, is the motivation just a God complex case of sociopathy or is there wider motivations behind it? https://www.insider.com/who-is-q-why-people-think-jim-watkins-qanon-8chan-2020-1
I’ve seen claims it’s a bit of a Psyops misinformation campaign being pushed by those caught up in the Epstein links (which I’m still sure is a massive smoking gun for some very big figure take downs). That’s the best theory I could back at this point but again, without evidence I cannot doubt it seems far fetched.
Perhaps I’m just too keen for a James Bond like ending?! [Post edited 13 Oct 2020 12:46]
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:51 - Oct 13 with 1968 views | monytowbray |
I should add, the theory really is classic cult stuff. “Texts from a higher power telling you to follow the saviour for a promised land” is the theme of every cult (and yes mainstream religion, I’m looking RIGHT at you).
Perhaps it’s just a digital evolution of the same technique so it looks more interesting than the reality as it’s all new plays we’ve never had the tech to implement?
The whole thing terrifies and fascinates me. | |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:53 - Oct 13 with 1968 views | J2BLUE |
It's amazing the filter people have to reject any actual evidence of anything that goes against the cult but accept anything at face value which advances it. I've watched several videos on Youtube in the past which claim to be 'proof' of things like pizzagate. It's just endless rambling and basically comes down to open your eyes sheeple, it's true because we say so. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:59 - Oct 13 with 1944 views | BlueBadger |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:53 - Oct 13 by J2BLUE |
It's amazing the filter people have to reject any actual evidence of anything that goes against the cult but accept anything at face value which advances it. I've watched several videos on Youtube in the past which claim to be 'proof' of things like pizzagate. It's just endless rambling and basically comes down to open your eyes sheeple, it's true because we say so. |
Me: This is utter bollcoks.
Conspiracy loons : NO IT ISN'T DO YOUR RESEARCH
Me: Alright, I've done some research and here's some references to show exactly HOW it's ballcoks
CL: NO, NOT THAT KIND OF RESEARCH |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:59 - Oct 13 with 1942 views | Darth_Koont |
All misinformation is good for someone - whether it’s giving bloggers and extremists the edge when they can’t compete with real information and evidence, protecting the establishment by preventing people connect the real dots or by helping people and nations fight an information war to de-stabilize competitors.
It matters less who’s behind it than the need for all of us to each take more responsibility to not spread false information and certainly not act on it.
I’ve said it before but I think the younger generations are much more aware of all this and take superficial information and sources much less seriously. And it’s massively dangerous for those in the older generations who’ve already proved even in conventional media that they often can’t read beyond headlines. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:03 - Oct 13 with 1913 views | factual_blue |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:59 - Oct 13 by BlueBadger |
Me: This is utter bollcoks.
Conspiracy loons : NO IT ISN'T DO YOUR RESEARCH
Me: Alright, I've done some research and here's some references to show exactly HOW it's ballcoks
CL: NO, NOT THAT KIND OF RESEARCH |
They don't understand what research and evidence are. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:15 - Oct 13 with 1883 views | Illinoisblue |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:59 - Oct 13 by Darth_Koont |
All misinformation is good for someone - whether it’s giving bloggers and extremists the edge when they can’t compete with real information and evidence, protecting the establishment by preventing people connect the real dots or by helping people and nations fight an information war to de-stabilize competitors.
It matters less who’s behind it than the need for all of us to each take more responsibility to not spread false information and certainly not act on it.
I’ve said it before but I think the younger generations are much more aware of all this and take superficial information and sources much less seriously. And it’s massively dangerous for those in the older generations who’ve already proved even in conventional media that they often can’t read beyond headlines. |
Your second paragraph is spot on. and I do think there’s a generational problem. I’ve shared this on here before but my mum a while back on Facebook shared some “Muslims are trying to ban hot cross buns”. Complete nonsense, of course. I called her out on it and she said “well it could have been true”. Social media amplifies ignorance. It’s very dangerous. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:22 - Oct 13 with 1874 views | Pendejo |
One of my line managers (West Stand st holder) back in the late 80s, early 90s was a conspiracy theorist. He warned me to be careful with a fraud case I was investigating as it was leading to a titled individual, whom he linked with a shadowy group ( can't remember if he mentioned illuminati)... I got a promotion out of department, our team was disbanded always wondered what happened to that file.
This matter made me receptive to conspiracies...
He also had a theory about Bill and Hillary, but I can't remember the exotics
To pull off a conspiracy takes a tremendous amount of power and control, minimum weak links etc.
Most things are probably down to weak individuals and / or incompetence rather than an elaborate conspiracy. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:30 - Oct 13 with 1846 views | itfcjoe |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:51 - Oct 13 by monytowbray |
I should add, the theory really is classic cult stuff. “Texts from a higher power telling you to follow the saviour for a promised land” is the theme of every cult (and yes mainstream religion, I’m looking RIGHT at you).
Perhaps it’s just a digital evolution of the same technique so it looks more interesting than the reality as it’s all new plays we’ve never had the tech to implement?
The whole thing terrifies and fascinates me. |
I think its your middle para - cults have always existed, but previously they used to be physical - now the same control can be had over people remotely. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:32 - Oct 13 with 1847 views | itfcjoe |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 12:53 - Oct 13 by J2BLUE |
It's amazing the filter people have to reject any actual evidence of anything that goes against the cult but accept anything at face value which advances it. I've watched several videos on Youtube in the past which claim to be 'proof' of things like pizzagate. It's just endless rambling and basically comes down to open your eyes sheeple, it's true because we say so. |
It's because it is built into the conspiracy how people will try and tell you it's false, so if you are a true believer it's like someone saying to a religous nut that God isn't real......everything is built around defending that central premise | |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:44 - Oct 13 with 1793 views | DanTheMan |
If it was Watkins, I don't know why he would have started on 4chan before moving to 8chan.
Honestly think it was a wind up merchant doing it for a laugh on both before stopping, and then others chipping in to keep it going now. It wasn't uncommon, there were others with a similar "I'm in the FBI/CIA/Some other agency" and talking about conspiracy theories.
It does appear he has some stake in keep it going, but given he's an absolute nutter this doesn't surprise me. He was quite happy to have child porn hosted on his site. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:48 - Oct 13 with 1793 views | ghostofescobar |
The thing that gets me, and I’ve posted this on here before, is that “they” already have massive amounts of controls over most of us, via huge data harvesting. If these conspiracy idiots really do think that nefarious (love that word) forces are trying to corrupt the world, they need to look at what is actually happening, now in the real world. Every click on the web, every social media post, every card purchase, most message apps, everything picked up by a “listening” device (Nest, voice activated tv etc) is recorded, analysed and sold and then used you to buy more stuff, or more nefariously (had to get that word in again) to buy/influence elections. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:49 - Oct 13 with 1779 views | NthQldITFC |
They. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 14:18 - Oct 13 with 1740 views | Darth_Koont |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:48 - Oct 13 by ghostofescobar |
The thing that gets me, and I’ve posted this on here before, is that “they” already have massive amounts of controls over most of us, via huge data harvesting. If these conspiracy idiots really do think that nefarious (love that word) forces are trying to corrupt the world, they need to look at what is actually happening, now in the real world. Every click on the web, every social media post, every card purchase, most message apps, everything picked up by a “listening” device (Nest, voice activated tv etc) is recorded, analysed and sold and then used you to buy more stuff, or more nefariously (had to get that word in again) to buy/influence elections. |
Indeed.
That’s where I think conspiracy theories are most dangerous. They help obscure the actual conspiracies, collusions and abuses of power that go on. And provide those implicated with the defence that those looking to expose it are conspiracy theorists.
Anything that disguises or confuses how the world is and how it works lets a lot of people do exactly what they want. | |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 14:21 - Oct 13 with 1727 views | BlueBadger |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:44 - Oct 13 by DanTheMan |
If it was Watkins, I don't know why he would have started on 4chan before moving to 8chan.
Honestly think it was a wind up merchant doing it for a laugh on both before stopping, and then others chipping in to keep it going now. It wasn't uncommon, there were others with a similar "I'm in the FBI/CIA/Some other agency" and talking about conspiracy theories.
It does appear he has some stake in keep it going, but given he's an absolute nutter this doesn't surprise me. He was quite happy to have child porn hosted on his site. |
This is is the weirdest thing of all. People are literally endorsing a conspiracy theory from someone who was happy to host kiddy porn. | |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 15:14 - Oct 13 with 1671 views | Guthrum |
The original Q postings may even have been a joke, then taken up by others.
The material itself (as is so often the case) is not very original, just repackaged with up-to-date names. Also, it is based upon vague leading questions, allowing the reader to jump to their own conclusions. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 16:22 - Oct 13 with 1629 views | J2BLUE |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:32 - Oct 13 by itfcjoe |
It's because it is built into the conspiracy how people will try and tell you it's false, so if you are a true believer it's like someone saying to a religous nut that God isn't real......everything is built around defending that central premise |
Agreed and something that's quite interesting is when someone new emerges on to the scene they have a rapid rise and are the darling of the movement. Then they get a little too big and the established players have to turn on them and accuse them of being disinformation agents. It's all about which nutter and their messiah complex can be on top. | |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 16:35 - Oct 13 with 1614 views | Rocky |
It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people. Whether it's stories about straight bananas and all the anti-EU nonsense right up the Qanon gibberish about state-organised paedophilia. Those people marching with Save the Children banners are not evil people, they really believe they are a force for good. The tragedy is how easily manipulated they are. |  | | |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 16:38 - Oct 13 with 1606 views | jeera |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 16:35 - Oct 13 by Rocky |
It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people. Whether it's stories about straight bananas and all the anti-EU nonsense right up the Qanon gibberish about state-organised paedophilia. Those people marching with Save the Children banners are not evil people, they really believe they are a force for good. The tragedy is how easily manipulated they are. |
Every time you buy a pizza, somewhere a puppy dies. |  |
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| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 17:55 - Oct 13 with 1560 views | monytowbray |
| Qanon, the most interesting thing about it for me is... on 13:22 - Oct 13 by Pendejo |
One of my line managers (West Stand st holder) back in the late 80s, early 90s was a conspiracy theorist. He warned me to be careful with a fraud case I was investigating as it was leading to a titled individual, whom he linked with a shadowy group ( can't remember if he mentioned illuminati)... I got a promotion out of department, our team was disbanded always wondered what happened to that file.
This matter made me receptive to conspiracies...
He also had a theory about Bill and Hillary, but I can't remember the exotics
To pull off a conspiracy takes a tremendous amount of power and control, minimum weak links etc.
Most things are probably down to weak individuals and / or incompetence rather than an elaborate conspiracy. |
I’d love to know why Bill went to Epstein island so many times.
I think it’s important to remember someone being in Epstein’s circle does not mean they were complicit, in fact they may have even been victim of the con as opposed to part of it.
Still, it’s amazing how little people close to him are willing to say, but then when those questions get you murked I can see why.
The Daily Mail reported in 2002 Diana was researching into what Jimmy Saville was up to as well as gathering sexual abuse victim testimonies from inside Buckingham Palace at the time of her death. With what we know now.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-145777/Dianas-rape-tape-sensation.html
The conspiracy is there for all to see, it’s some rich manipulative sickos powerful enough to get away with it and dragging other enablers/enactors up the chain with them, and then the elite covering for each other. | |
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