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What is going on? 11:12 - Oct 24 with 1944 viewsBluesquid

Books are needed more than ever in these times.

Is this really about a virus?

Is this even legal?


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What is going on? on 11:28 - Oct 24 with 1287 viewsNthsuffolkblue

"Is this even legal?"

Some context necessary here. Who has stopped selling the books and where and why?

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What is going on? on 11:33 - Oct 24 with 1275 viewsjeera

What is going on? on 11:28 - Oct 24 by Nthsuffolkblue

"Is this even legal?"

Some context necessary here. Who has stopped selling the books and where and why?


And are they literally taken off sale or are people just not allowed to touch them when browsing?

Like the ink and other items on the thread, you would assume - hope[!] - that customers can approach an assistant and say "I want that one."

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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What is going on? on 11:37 - Oct 24 with 1262 viewsBluesquid

What is going on? on 11:28 - Oct 24 by Nthsuffolkblue

"Is this even legal?"

Some context necessary here. Who has stopped selling the books and where and why?


New Covid restrictions in Wales.

Also including toys and craft kits, anything that might help to keep the kids entertained while they are on their half term holidays locked up in their houses.

Screens only now, otherwise buy from Bezos.
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What is going on? on 11:45 - Oct 24 with 1248 viewsEastTownBlue

What is going on? on 11:33 - Oct 24 by jeera

And are they literally taken off sale or are people just not allowed to touch them when browsing?

Like the ink and other items on the thread, you would assume - hope[!] - that customers can approach an assistant and say "I want that one."


Taken off sale. Bookshops are deemed non essential and have had to close which has meant that supermarkets cannot sell books either. That as well as a number of other non food/drink items that supermarkets sell.
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What is going on? on 11:49 - Oct 24 with 1232 viewsfactual_blue

What is going on? on 11:45 - Oct 24 by EastTownBlue

Taken off sale. Bookshops are deemed non essential and have had to close which has meant that supermarkets cannot sell books either. That as well as a number of other non food/drink items that supermarkets sell.
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Many, many years ago when there was half-day closing in Bury St Edmunds on a Thursday, M&S closed off their shoe aisles for that half day because the shoe shops were shut.

Presumably in this instance the idea is to stop smaller shops who are closed from calling 'foul'. I thought newsagents can stay open, so not sure why magazines can't be sold in supermarkets.

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What is going on? on 13:26 - Oct 24 with 1158 viewsHarry_Palmer

It's complete and utter BS and nothing whatsover to do with a virus or 'keeping people safe'

Anybody that tries to enact the mental gymnastics required to try and justify this is completely off their head.
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What is going on? on 13:51 - Oct 24 with 1116 viewsjeera

What is going on? on 11:45 - Oct 24 by EastTownBlue

Taken off sale. Bookshops are deemed non essential and have had to close which has meant that supermarkets cannot sell books either. That as well as a number of other non food/drink items that supermarkets sell.
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Knowledge and entertainment are off limits during lockdown measures?

Blimey.

Someone hasn't thought this through.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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What is going on? on 14:37 - Oct 24 with 1094 viewsNthsuffolkblue

What is going on? on 11:37 - Oct 24 by Bluesquid

New Covid restrictions in Wales.

Also including toys and craft kits, anything that might help to keep the kids entertained while they are on their half term holidays locked up in their houses.

Screens only now, otherwise buy from Bezos.


Wow! Wales has brought in a law that prevents children doing anything other than watch screens in their own houses? Or you are trying to extrapolate while being unable to answer the question as to what the rule actually states.

Are the items banned from sale or not?

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What is going on? on 14:39 - Oct 24 with 1086 viewsNthsuffolkblue

What is going on? on 11:45 - Oct 24 by EastTownBlue

Taken off sale. Bookshops are deemed non essential and have had to close which has meant that supermarkets cannot sell books either. That as well as a number of other non food/drink items that supermarkets sell.
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Thanks for answering where the OP is incapable of doing so.

So, non-essential shops are closed. People are able to order the same items online and there is no ban on them using those they already have or ordering new online.

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What is going on? on 14:44 - Oct 24 with 1070 viewsSwansea_Blue

What is going on? on 13:26 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

It's complete and utter BS and nothing whatsover to do with a virus or 'keeping people safe'

Anybody that tries to enact the mental gymnastics required to try and justify this is completely off their head.


Correct it's not. It's about protecting the small shops that have had to close to foot traffic, but are still selling online. If they let the supermarkets sell to foot traffic, they'd have an unfair competitive advantage over the smaller shops.

It is very odd to have parts of supermarkets taped off, bt when you understand the reasons why it's not quite as nutty as it first seems. I think it's god to try and protect the smaller, independent retailers.

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What is going on? on 14:49 - Oct 24 with 1059 viewsSwansea_Blue

What is going on? on 14:39 - Oct 24 by Nthsuffolkblue

Thanks for answering where the OP is incapable of doing so.

So, non-essential shops are closed. People are able to order the same items online and there is no ban on them using those they already have or ordering new online.


Correct.

The valid complaints are more around how late in the day we found out what constituted 'essential' goods.

And then we can all argue about priorities. Beer over books, for example, does seem a strange choice of priorities, even if I'm a tad partial to the odd sup or two. They'd just as well have been able to close offies and made alcohol sales online only. Food & pet shops, newsagents (got to keep the propaganda flowing!) and medical facilities are pretty much all that's open.

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bada bing (n/t) on 14:50 - Oct 24 with 1058 viewsDyland

What is going on? on 14:44 - Oct 24 by Swansea_Blue

Correct it's not. It's about protecting the small shops that have had to close to foot traffic, but are still selling online. If they let the supermarkets sell to foot traffic, they'd have an unfair competitive advantage over the smaller shops.

It is very odd to have parts of supermarkets taped off, bt when you understand the reasons why it's not quite as nutty as it first seems. I think it's god to try and protect the smaller, independent retailers.



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What is going on? on 15:07 - Oct 24 with 1036 viewsJ2BLUE

What is going on? on 14:49 - Oct 24 by Swansea_Blue

Correct.

The valid complaints are more around how late in the day we found out what constituted 'essential' goods.

And then we can all argue about priorities. Beer over books, for example, does seem a strange choice of priorities, even if I'm a tad partial to the odd sup or two. They'd just as well have been able to close offies and made alcohol sales online only. Food & pet shops, newsagents (got to keep the propaganda flowing!) and medical facilities are pretty much all that's open.


Good point.

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What is going on? on 15:29 - Oct 24 with 1016 viewsHarry_Palmer

What is going on? on 14:44 - Oct 24 by Swansea_Blue

Correct it's not. It's about protecting the small shops that have had to close to foot traffic, but are still selling online. If they let the supermarkets sell to foot traffic, they'd have an unfair competitive advantage over the smaller shops.

It is very odd to have parts of supermarkets taped off, bt when you understand the reasons why it's not quite as nutty as it first seems. I think it's god to try and protect the smaller, independent retailers.


Sure it is. The Government definitely care a lot about the small businesses don't they.

I'll give you a bit of help here as you appear to need it, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIRUS THAT HAS A 99.6% SURVIVAL RATE.

Lets see how many are left in 18 months time shall we, and then we will see how much they cared and just how stupid the general public were for going along with this insanity.
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What is going on? on 15:31 - Oct 24 with 1010 viewsJ2BLUE

What is going on? on 15:29 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Sure it is. The Government definitely care a lot about the small businesses don't they.

I'll give you a bit of help here as you appear to need it, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIRUS THAT HAS A 99.6% SURVIVAL RATE.

Lets see how many are left in 18 months time shall we, and then we will see how much they cared and just how stupid the general public were for going along with this insanity.


It's to protect the NHS. Admissions rising in the worst hit areas.

We saw the scenes in Italy during the first wave. People dying in corridors with the health service so stretched they weren't getting any care at all.

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What is going on? on 15:39 - Oct 24 with 980 viewsStokieBlue

What is going on? on 15:29 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Sure it is. The Government definitely care a lot about the small businesses don't they.

I'll give you a bit of help here as you appear to need it, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIRUS THAT HAS A 99.6% SURVIVAL RATE.

Lets see how many are left in 18 months time shall we, and then we will see how much they cared and just how stupid the general public were for going along with this insanity.


It's not about small businesses, it's about stopping people making journeys that aren't really required. If there are not fridges or books on sale then people won't make trips to look at them which really aren't needed. Books can of course be sourced in many other ways.

Once again, you can't take survival rate as the only thing you are considering, it's a function of survival rate and infectiousness but you seem to ignore the second part. The CDC are saying the excess deaths in the US are around 320,000 and that's with measures in place.

Unless you can provide evidence, repeatedly saying the actions undertaken have nothing to do with the virus is meaningless.

Show the evidence, not just conspiratorial conjecture, nearly all countries would need to be in on this alleged "civil liberties grab" given they are following the same course.

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What is going on? on 15:44 - Oct 24 with 965 viewsSwansea_Blue

What is going on? on 15:29 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Sure it is. The Government definitely care a lot about the small businesses don't they.

I'll give you a bit of help here as you appear to need it, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE CLOSED THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A VIRUS THAT HAS A 99.6% SURVIVAL RATE.

Lets see how many are left in 18 months time shall we, and then we will see how much they cared and just how stupid the general public were for going along with this insanity.


Don't be a twot

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What is going on? on 15:46 - Oct 24 with 956 viewsHarry_Palmer

What is going on? on 15:31 - Oct 24 by J2BLUE

It's to protect the NHS. Admissions rising in the worst hit areas.

We saw the scenes in Italy during the first wave. People dying in corridors with the health service so stretched they weren't getting any care at all.


Oh dear, spoken like a true BBC news watcher.

It is feck all to do with protecting the NHS. Admissions rise every Autumn / winter and we have run out of beds previously with people in corridors. We did not lock people in their homes or order the close down of small businesses.
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What is going on? on 15:48 - Oct 24 with 935 viewsStokieBlue

What is going on? on 15:46 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Oh dear, spoken like a true BBC news watcher.

It is feck all to do with protecting the NHS. Admissions rise every Autumn / winter and we have run out of beds previously with people in corridors. We did not lock people in their homes or order the close down of small businesses.
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Indeed.

Now imagine that with loads of C19 cases added to it because everyone is mixing and the R is at 3 or 4.

That is too obvious a reason to be considered though when one can have a complex conspiracy.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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What is going on? on 16:01 - Oct 24 with 878 viewsHarry_Palmer

What is going on? on 15:48 - Oct 24 by StokieBlue

Indeed.

Now imagine that with loads of C19 cases added to it because everyone is mixing and the R is at 3 or 4.

That is too obvious a reason to be considered though when one can have a complex conspiracy.

SB


Yes lets talk about cases shall we.

A infectious disease case prior to Covid was a person presenting symptoms, ie a sick person.

A Covid case however requires a positive PCR test result and over 80% of the time the so called 'case' presents no symptoms at all.

This would be the PCR test that was not designed as a diagnostic tool according to the person who invented it and which tests for a virus which has never been fully isolated in its full genetic sequence. What are they testing for exactly?
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What is going on? on 16:06 - Oct 24 with 856 viewsStokieBlue

What is going on? on 16:01 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Yes lets talk about cases shall we.

A infectious disease case prior to Covid was a person presenting symptoms, ie a sick person.

A Covid case however requires a positive PCR test result and over 80% of the time the so called 'case' presents no symptoms at all.

This would be the PCR test that was not designed as a diagnostic tool according to the person who invented it and which tests for a virus which has never been fully isolated in its full genetic sequence. What are they testing for exactly?


Not sure what that has to do with what I said, perhaps it's replying to the first post about "evidence for a conspiracy".

I am going to watch the second half but hopefully I'll have time to get back to this after I've cooked dinner this evening. I will just say that knowing the full genetic sequence has never been a requirement for identifying diseases through tests.

Furthermore, why are you saying the virus hasn't been sequenced? It was sequenced and published for all researchers right near the start of the pandemic.

Enjoy the second half.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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What is going on? on 17:12 - Oct 24 with 799 viewsgazzer1999

What is going on? on 11:28 - Oct 24 by Nthsuffolkblue

"Is this even legal?"

Some context necessary here. Who has stopped selling the books and where and why?


Fahrenheit 451
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What is going on? on 19:44 - Oct 24 with 747 viewsBluesquid

What is going on? on 16:01 - Oct 24 by Harry_Palmer

Yes lets talk about cases shall we.

A infectious disease case prior to Covid was a person presenting symptoms, ie a sick person.

A Covid case however requires a positive PCR test result and over 80% of the time the so called 'case' presents no symptoms at all.

This would be the PCR test that was not designed as a diagnostic tool according to the person who invented it and which tests for a virus which has never been fully isolated in its full genetic sequence. What are they testing for exactly?


Also both Raab and Johnson have stated that the tests have an over 90% false positive rate but lets just say that they are both well out with their statements and we go with The Times instead which reported a 30% false positive rate, that is still a huge percentage of false positives.

There is no guarantee that the tests are even suitable let alone accurate or reliable enough.
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What is going on? on 19:47 - Oct 24 with 740 viewsNthsuffolkblue

What is going on? on 17:12 - Oct 24 by gazzer1999

Fahrenheit 451


And in many real dictatorships but that clearly wasn't what the OP was referring to so a rather random response there.

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What is going on? on 20:11 - Oct 24 with 699 viewsBluesquid

What is going on? on 15:48 - Oct 24 by StokieBlue

Indeed.

Now imagine that with loads of C19 cases added to it because everyone is mixing and the R is at 3 or 4.

That is too obvious a reason to be considered though when one can have a complex conspiracy.

SB


"Now imagine..."

Seriously?

Supposing or assuming isn't very scientific is it?

All very Neil Ferguson-esque.
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