Corbyn suspended... (n/t) 13:07 - Oct 29 with 25214 views | Ewan_Oozami | According to my highly dodgy Twitter feed... [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:10]
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 4267 views | solomon | Has only himself to blame. | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:13 - Oct 29 with 4240 views | Vic | That’s so funny. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:13 - Oct 29 with 4240 views | Steve_M |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:10 - Oct 29 by solomon | Has only himself to blame. |
Not even the political nous to make a proper apology this morning. In his own head he just can't accept when he's in the wrong. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:15 - Oct 29 with 4218 views | BloomBlue | And to think people supported Corbyn... Starmer isn't exempt he was part of the Leadership when all this was happening. | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:16 - Oct 29 with 4198 views | tractordownsouth | His own fault | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:20 - Oct 29 with 4178 views | Darth_Koont | Haha! Utterly ludicrous. F@ck Labour and their official return to being establishment stooges. It might do irreparable damage to the party and lead to a split, but as they’re currently in a position to stifle progressive voices then that’s ultimately going to be necessary. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:21 - Oct 29 with 4149 views | tractordownsouth |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:20 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Haha! Utterly ludicrous. F@ck Labour and their official return to being establishment stooges. It might do irreparable damage to the party and lead to a split, but as they’re currently in a position to stifle progressive voices then that’s ultimately going to be necessary. |
The SWP won't be winning any seats at the next election. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:23 - Oct 29 with 4129 views | solomon |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:13 - Oct 29 by Steve_M | Not even the political nous to make a proper apology this morning. In his own head he just can't accept when he's in the wrong. |
despite his claims he isn’t anti Semitic his actions do seem to suggest he actually is anti-Semitic. Who would have thought it? | | | | Login to get fewer ads
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:24 - Oct 29 with 4126 views | Guthrum |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:20 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Haha! Utterly ludicrous. F@ck Labour and their official return to being establishment stooges. It might do irreparable damage to the party and lead to a split, but as they’re currently in a position to stifle progressive voices then that’s ultimately going to be necessary. |
The age-old dilemma of whether to compromise one's principles in order to get some of the aims enacted, or to stick with them rigidly and have none. Both are imperfect solutions, but which is more effective? | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:25 - Oct 29 with 4111 views | Darth_Koont |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:21 - Oct 29 by tractordownsouth | The SWP won't be winning any seats at the next election. |
Who’s talking about the SWP? I think this may well result in a new left wing party and an effective one like UKIP and Brexit in shaping policy. This time for good and to represent the people the establishment always ignores until it’s time to vote. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:26 - Oct 29 with 4089 views | Vic |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:24 - Oct 29 by Guthrum | The age-old dilemma of whether to compromise one's principles in order to get some of the aims enacted, or to stick with them rigidly and have none. Both are imperfect solutions, but which is more effective? |
Politics is the art of the possible! | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:27 - Oct 29 with 4079 views | BloomBlue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:20 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Haha! Utterly ludicrous. F@ck Labour and their official return to being establishment stooges. It might do irreparable damage to the party and lead to a split, but as they’re currently in a position to stifle progressive voices then that’s ultimately going to be necessary. |
He was suspended for 'In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently, the Labour Party has suspended Jeremy Corbyn pending investigation' Maybe if he had taken responsibility for it in his statement today, he was the Leader of the party at the time, then no suspension However I still say Starmer has to look at himself if he is that progressive why didn't he have the decency to name, names last year? Clearly just another politician, being a politician | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:29 - Oct 29 with 4042 views | Beckets |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:27 - Oct 29 by BloomBlue | He was suspended for 'In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently, the Labour Party has suspended Jeremy Corbyn pending investigation' Maybe if he had taken responsibility for it in his statement today, he was the Leader of the party at the time, then no suspension However I still say Starmer has to look at himself if he is that progressive why didn't he have the decency to name, names last year? Clearly just another politician, being a politician |
And so “But Starmer...” begins. | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:29 - Oct 29 with 4043 views | factual_blue | ..and the BBC... | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:32 - Oct 29 with 4003 views | Darth_Koont |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:24 - Oct 29 by Guthrum | The age-old dilemma of whether to compromise one's principles in order to get some of the aims enacted, or to stick with them rigidly and have none. Both are imperfect solutions, but which is more effective? |
See above. Increasingly policy and political debate itself seems to be coming from outside the traditional Con/LibDem/Lab structures. Take BLM, Scottish Independence, XR and the Greens, and sadly UKIP/Brexit Party/EDL and the like. If you want to change things on the inside then that just isn’t happening given how that’s sewn up by the establishment political parties and media. I think this has been coming a while so it’s pretty exciting if left-wingers can finally accept the evidence of the past 40-odd years and it does actually happen. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:33 - Oct 29 with 3992 views | Guthrum |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:25 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Who’s talking about the SWP? I think this may well result in a new left wing party and an effective one like UKIP and Brexit in shaping policy. This time for good and to represent the people the establishment always ignores until it’s time to vote. |
A significant Labour split could lead to Conservative domination for a generation. Or it might lead to a more centrist party under Starmer who take moderate Tory votes and win power in the way Blair did. Might even result in a Conservative split, too, if Brexit turns out to be really messy. I'm in favour of the existing monolithic blocs being broken up, with more, smaller parties representing specific interests and which can combine in coalitions to form a government, without having to subscribe to a centralised programme. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:33 - Oct 29 with 3988 views | giant_stow |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:25 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Who’s talking about the SWP? I think this may well result in a new left wing party and an effective one like UKIP and Brexit in shaping policy. This time for good and to represent the people the establishment always ignores until it’s time to vote. |
yes, why don't the corbynites finish the job they started and leave the path clear for the tories for generations. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:33 - Oct 29 with 3981 views | Ryorry |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:25 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Who’s talking about the SWP? I think this may well result in a new left wing party and an effective one like UKIP and Brexit in shaping policy. This time for good and to represent the people the establishment always ignores until it’s time to vote. |
Good. The sooner Labour is rid of the momentum Corbynistas whose only vision for the future is to keep banging on about "poor JC, bashed by MSM & 'Torylite' labour voters, look where we'd be now if we still had him as our leader" - the better. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:40 - Oct 29 with 3921 views | solomon |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:20 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | Haha! Utterly ludicrous. F@ck Labour and their official return to being establishment stooges. It might do irreparable damage to the party and lead to a split, but as they’re currently in a position to stifle progressive voices then that’s ultimately going to be necessary. |
What is progressive about antisemitism? | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:44 - Oct 29 with 3904 views | Darth_Koont |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:33 - Oct 29 by Ryorry | Good. The sooner Labour is rid of the momentum Corbynistas whose only vision for the future is to keep banging on about "poor JC, bashed by MSM & 'Torylite' labour voters, look where we'd be now if we still had him as our leader" - the better. |
No, most of the people I’m thinking about have a much better and bigger vision for the UK. Many are “Corbynistas”, true. But if you think it’s about personality rather than policy then you’re in for a surprise. I’ll leave you to the self-satisfied centre wringing their hands and complaining about stuff while proposing the system needs tweaking. I’ll be much happier supporting the sort of people who always think 4 million children living in poverty is a big deal and not limiting that to a discussion about free school meals during a pandemic. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:45 - Oct 29 with 3892 views | Guthrum |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:32 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | See above. Increasingly policy and political debate itself seems to be coming from outside the traditional Con/LibDem/Lab structures. Take BLM, Scottish Independence, XR and the Greens, and sadly UKIP/Brexit Party/EDL and the like. If you want to change things on the inside then that just isn’t happening given how that’s sewn up by the establishment political parties and media. I think this has been coming a while so it’s pretty exciting if left-wingers can finally accept the evidence of the past 40-odd years and it does actually happen. |
Tho it took the Greens, the ScotsNats and the Kippers several decades to gain serious traction. Even the BLM movement is (in the UK) part of a process dating back to the 1960s. Being ejected from the Labour Party in the 1980s gave the hard left* not a platform, but 30 years in the wilderness. Do they have anything to grab the public's attention (in a positive way), in order to make it different this time? * Edit: this is meant in a descriptive, rather than a perjorative sense. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:48]
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:51 - Oct 29 with 3861 views | hype313 |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:45 - Oct 29 by Guthrum | Tho it took the Greens, the ScotsNats and the Kippers several decades to gain serious traction. Even the BLM movement is (in the UK) part of a process dating back to the 1960s. Being ejected from the Labour Party in the 1980s gave the hard left* not a platform, but 30 years in the wilderness. Do they have anything to grab the public's attention (in a positive way), in order to make it different this time? * Edit: this is meant in a descriptive, rather than a perjorative sense. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:48]
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"Do they have anything to grab the public's attention (in a positive way), in order to make it different this time?" Judging by the drubbing at the last election, then no. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:52 - Oct 29 with 3859 views | Darth_Koont |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:40 - Oct 29 by solomon | What is progressive about antisemitism? |
I’m not going to take that as a point worth responding to seriously. | |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:55 - Oct 29 with 3826 views | jas0999 | Thought Sir Keir did extremely well today. Right to issue an apology. The less said about Corbyn the better. The man is a disgrace and he is the main reason why Labour did so poorly with him at the helm. | | | |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:56 - Oct 29 with 3822 views | Guthrum |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 13:44 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont | No, most of the people I’m thinking about have a much better and bigger vision for the UK. Many are “Corbynistas”, true. But if you think it’s about personality rather than policy then you’re in for a surprise. I’ll leave you to the self-satisfied centre wringing their hands and complaining about stuff while proposing the system needs tweaking. I’ll be much happier supporting the sort of people who always think 4 million children living in poverty is a big deal and not limiting that to a discussion about free school meals during a pandemic. |
Problem you have is inspiring the majority of UK voters - most of whom live (in global terms) pretty comfortable lives - to take on board a radical agenda. That requires a coherent vision, superb presentation, a leader who is strong, dynamic and a brilliant communicator, plus deft command of the media. Or a series of major crises which bring the country to its knees. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:58]
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