Corbyn suspended... (n/t) 13:07 - Oct 29 with 29379 views | Ewan_Oozami | According to my highly dodgy Twitter feed... [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:10]
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:27 - Oct 30 with 2055 views | BloomBlue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:10 - Oct 30 by footers | Nice one, bumboy. And please don't complain about my post, you just don't get the context. |
Bumboy? Have I time warped back to the 70's when that was used as an offensive word against homosexuals? Have I missed something and if no does this website allow such things? *Note if I've totally missed the point ignore me |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:41 - Oct 30 with 2033 views | noggin | I reckon Phil would be sensible in deleting this thread now, before it gets out of hand. These debates never end well. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:41 - Oct 30 with 2022 views | brazil1982 |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:27 - Oct 30 by BloomBlue | Bumboy? Have I time warped back to the 70's when that was used as an offensive word against homosexuals? Have I missed something and if no does this website allow such things? *Note if I've totally missed the point ignore me |
I think you'll find some posters here get an almost free ride with some of the language used, but sometimes that's all they have left. Most unpleasant. |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:43 - Oct 30 with 2026 views | NewcyBlue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 09:02 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont | The report is saying that more should have been done and the processes should have been better. Corbyn and others involved at the top of the party (including Jennie Formby, Tom Watson and Ian McNicol) bear overall responsibility of course. And from a regulatory perspective why the procedures weren’t as good or effective or why the leadership was getting involved is irrelevant. The recommendations are there and I haven’t seen anyone disagree with them. The key recommendation is an independent and transparent process and there’s the key. The factionalism involved in sabotaging the complaints process is quite ridiculous when you see the evidence in the Labour Leaks document. The EHRC do acknowledge that the complaints were handled better once a few of these Labour right actors were out of the way and when McNicol was replaced by Formby. Still not up to scratch but we’re also looking at a bombardment of complaints many of them frivolous from people who were looking to embarrass Labour and Corbyn. Again from a regulatory perspective that’s not relevant if the procedures themselves still show shortcomings. So on this charge, Corbyn and others did work towards improving complaints procedures and processing cases but it wasn’t enough and even by getting involved to accelerate cases they were guilty of faulty procedures. Overall, I think the EHRC report is both fair in its findings and recommendations but it certainly falls far short of the media narrative. And crucially we have to look elsewhere for the actual context (which again to reiterate isn’t a defence for faulty procedures). I hoped the Forde Inquiry that is looking into what happened at Labour HQ actually brings that up. But having paid off some of those involved and using the EHRC regulatory view, I can see that being entirely swept under the rug. That’s my biggest disappointment with Starmer. I don’t actually trust him and his “forensics” when it’s never going to applied to him and his allies. I presumed a human rights lawyer was actually better than this and above the game of politics. |
Appreciate the detailed response. As I say, it’s not something that I have been looking on at intently. I always said Corbyn wasn’t the answer, but he should be the catalyst for change. People are quite rightly judged by their associates. I think Corbyn has been very naive, and as a politician that has gotten him into a world of mess. I don’t think laying the blame elsewhere for what happened during his leadership is entirely fair. As leader he should have had better control. A good leader takes ownership. There were three reports into antisemitism in 2016. A number of the recommendations were still not implemented when the EHRC report was conducted. Did a lack of action lead to the emboldening of antisemetic attitudes in the Labour Party? How does this all fit in with the core values of the Labour Party? Formby does indeed seem to have made some progress. Do you think some progress is better than no progress at all? With so many incidents recorded, they can’t all be smears and political manoeuvring? There was something intrinsically wrong. Apologies if any of the above has been mentioned already. It’s taken me ages to type this with a twin on my chest. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:43 - Oct 30 with 2017 views | lowhouseblue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 09:18 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont | No, I’ve disagreed with your and others’ characterisation of racism where guilt is assumed. You’ve used this Trial by accusation throughout to score points and call people racists. As I say, you’re slimy AF. |
no, what i am using is the ehrc report. the report that found that dismissing reports of anti-semitism as fakes and smears was harassment and discrimination under the equalities act. it is what you have been doing for years and continue to do. just to be clear. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:44 - Oct 30 with 2022 views | m14_blue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:41 - Oct 30 by brazil1982 | I think you'll find some posters here get an almost free ride with some of the language used, but sometimes that's all they have left. Most unpleasant. |
You're both spectacularly missing the point. But at least bloom has the awareness to realise that may be the case. |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:50 - Oct 30 with 1999 views | 26_Paz |
Give me a couple of hours mate and will do. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:58 - Oct 30 with 1973 views | monytowbray |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:41 - Oct 30 by noggin | I reckon Phil would be sensible in deleting this thread now, before it gets out of hand. These debates never end well. |
Turned into a classic sh1t slinging match, I bailed pages ago. I do wonder why so many people venomously against racism seem to follow the herd when the press tells them too though. A real free press would now be saying we do the other parties next and stop pretending this is an issue exclusive to Labour based on p1ss poor dated hot takes on the left wing. I’ll say it again - Our local MP pushed anti Semitic conspiracy theory in the HoP last week and not a peep. Anyone? The accountability in this country considering we are ruled by an outright corrupt bunch of inept charlatans with views on minorities more in line with the 19th century is an utter joke. [Post edited 30 Oct 2020 10:59]
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:01 - Oct 30 with 1964 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:27 - Oct 30 by BloomBlue | Bumboy? Have I time warped back to the 70's when that was used as an offensive word against homosexuals? Have I missed something and if no does this website allow such things? *Note if I've totally missed the point ignore me |
The word was used in 1998 by our current Prime Minister in an article in the New Statesman referring to Peter Mandelson..... [Edit] - well not Mandelson directly but to the people who Boris opined were Mandelson's supporters - see post from Newcy elsewhere in this thread.. [Post edited 30 Oct 2020 11:13]
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:10 - Oct 30 with 1940 views | BloomBlue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:58 - Oct 30 by monytowbray | Turned into a classic sh1t slinging match, I bailed pages ago. I do wonder why so many people venomously against racism seem to follow the herd when the press tells them too though. A real free press would now be saying we do the other parties next and stop pretending this is an issue exclusive to Labour based on p1ss poor dated hot takes on the left wing. I’ll say it again - Our local MP pushed anti Semitic conspiracy theory in the HoP last week and not a peep. Anyone? The accountability in this country considering we are ruled by an outright corrupt bunch of inept charlatans with views on minorities more in line with the 19th century is an utter joke. [Post edited 30 Oct 2020 10:59]
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The only free press that highlighted this and keep going even thought they were constantly attacked for doing it even from other newspapers was the Jewish Chronicle. Not sure if you receive a copy of it but they have their special supplement online now https://view.publitas.com/the-jewish-chronicle/oct-29-8pg-special-supplement/pag |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:17 - Oct 30 with 1921 views | BloomBlue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:44 - Oct 30 by m14_blue | You're both spectacularly missing the point. But at least bloom has the awareness to realise that may be the case. |
Thanks as I said if I missed the point please ignore (sorry Footers) although given the double meaning maybe a word that should be avoided. |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:38 - Oct 30 with 1897 views | SpruceMoose |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz | Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | Poll: | Selectamod |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:39 - Oct 30 with 1892 views | SpruceMoose |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 09:08 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz | Not sure about Trump. He’s certainly more of a racist than Boris. |
And a moron. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | Poll: | Selectamod |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:40 - Oct 30 with 1886 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 09:35 - Oct 30 by BloomBlue | Sorry and I know it's not your precise point but it's not about who's a bigger racist, a racist is a racist and Corbyn is one. When Luciana Berger was asked yesterday if she believed that Corbyn was anti-Semitic she said yes and I trust her before anything that comes out of Corbyn's mouth Even the simple point about that mural made it obvious about his thought on Jewish people. To hide behind freedom of speech and then condemn anyone who uses that excuse for other forms of racism was a classic example of a racist. An excellent article here on the mural topic from the Jewish chronicle in 2018 https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/there-is-only-one-word-for-jeremy-corbyn-1 |
On the other hand John Bercow, who is also Jewish, has known Corbyn for decades, and doesn't have an axe to grind with him unlike Berger, said he's never encountered anything remotely racist with Corbyn. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:41 - Oct 30 with 1885 views | m14_blue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:17 - Oct 30 by BloomBlue | Thanks as I said if I missed the point please ignore (sorry Footers) although given the double meaning maybe a word that should be avoided. |
I agree with that tbf. |  | |  |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:48 - Oct 30 with 1874 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:38 - Oct 30 by SpruceMoose | You're disgusting. |
I'm amazed anyone can say the nearest Trump has got to racism is some ill-advised quips. it's just breathtaking ignorance. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:13 - Oct 30 with 1845 views | Darth_Koont |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:43 - Oct 30 by lowhouseblue | no, what i am using is the ehrc report. the report that found that dismissing reports of anti-semitism as fakes and smears was harassment and discrimination under the equalities act. it is what you have been doing for years and continue to do. just to be clear. |
Anyone who denies all complaints of antisemitism as smears is an antisemite, either by thought or by deed. Anyone who denies that the prevailing narrative of antisemitism within Labour and specifically against Corbin was exaggerated for factional and political purposes is dishonest and disingenuous. I know that strikes too close to home for you to accept but I can only deal with the facts. |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:15 - Oct 30 with 1835 views | Ryorry |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 10:41 - Oct 30 by noggin | I reckon Phil would be sensible in deleting this thread now, before it gets out of hand. These debates never end well. |
I'd say lock rather than delete, so that people can refer back to what was said if necessary in due course. When a thread's deleted entirely, it just seems to provoke new threads rowing about what was actually said in the one that was deleted ... |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:21 - Oct 30 with 1811 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:15 - Oct 30 by Ryorry | I'd say lock rather than delete, so that people can refer back to what was said if necessary in due course. When a thread's deleted entirely, it just seems to provoke new threads rowing about what was actually said in the one that was deleted ... |
One day I'm going to post a thread titled "Corbyn Says Evans Not To Blame for Town's Predicament" then retire to a safe distance! :-) |  |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:21 - Oct 30 with 1804 views | 26_Paz |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:38 - Oct 30 by SpruceMoose | You're disgusting. |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:28 - Oct 30 with 1791 views | SpruceMoose |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:21 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz | Grow up |
Arf! The guy who laughs at racist and homophobic jokes is telling me to grow up? Good one Paz.
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:32 - Oct 30 with 1772 views | m14_blue |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:28 - Oct 30 by SpruceMoose | Arf! The guy who laughs at racist and homophobic jokes is telling me to grow up? Good one Paz.
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:33 - Oct 30 with 1771 views | SpruceMoose |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 11:48 - Oct 30 by The_Flashing_Smile | I'm amazed anyone can say the nearest Trump has got to racism is some ill-advised quips. it's just breathtaking ignorance. |
His Trump fandom makes perfect sense. His response to me asking how he felt about poor Mexican kids floating face down dead in the Rio Grande was to say: "Maybe the parents should have thought of that eh?". Sadly Phil deleted the comments, but other posters saw it too. He's not a nice person, no matter how many 'mates' he hands out. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | Poll: | Selectamod |
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Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:35 - Oct 30 with 1752 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 12:33 - Oct 30 by SpruceMoose | His Trump fandom makes perfect sense. His response to me asking how he felt about poor Mexican kids floating face down dead in the Rio Grande was to say: "Maybe the parents should have thought of that eh?". Sadly Phil deleted the comments, but other posters saw it too. He's not a nice person, no matter how many 'mates' he hands out. |
Blimey. |  |
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