| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) 13:07 - Oct 29 with 29359 views | Ewan_Oozami |
According to my highly dodgy Twitter feed... [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 13:10]
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 21:37 - Oct 29 with 1215 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 18:27 - Oct 29 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t subscribe to that unfortunately. Better off in the short term (because they’re not the Tories) but rather continuing the long-term direction of travel of the UK that has brought us to where we are now ... Stuck in the past, unable to handle the present and clueless about the future.
Now I just want Scotland to leave, Wales and NI to decide for themselves too and England to pull its head out of its @rse as a result. Understanding that soft centre-right politics doesn’t offer any alternative or resistance to right wing populism is the first step that might prevent a lot worse stuff from happening. |
I know you don’t, and that’s possibly been part of Labour’s problem. I know you’ve a strong view about how politics should be moving, and it’s a compelling case as the current model doesn’t serve us. People don’t seem to be ready for it though. I’d rather a realistic chance of a New Labour type govt than no chance of a more left wing Labour version. Anything to get these a-holes out. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 21:45 - Oct 29 with 1194 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 21:29 - Oct 29 by SpruceMoose |
No need. Everyone knows. You're a racist. Report me if you disagree. I'm off for a beer. I'll check back later! |
You can’t, because there isn’t one. Apology accepted. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 21:47 - Oct 29 with 1194 views | eireblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 20:24 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
As always your accusation is completely unfounded. If you can find one racist comment I’ve posted on this forum I will leave immediately. |
You seem to think it is not possible for an abused minority to define what are abusive comments.
You also seem to think minorities that are subject to abusive comments can’t also understand and describe the context in which the comments are made, which would also lead to define terms abusive.
You want the ability to define comments that are directed to you, as abusive.
Jewish people are perfectly able to define and give examples, and define what is offensive.
But you don’t think people can do that. You have said numerous times it is not possible.
So what would you call a white middle class male, that can state that people in a minority group can’t define what they find abusive, including any context.
It isn’t an anti-racist.
Ironically, you chime in on a condemnation of JC and Labour, based on cases of antIsemitism, that are decided by a definition.
I think it definitely makes you hypocritical.
Personally, I think your dismissal of the ability and rights for minority groups to define what they find offensive, racist.
Sure you haven’t made the knuckle dragging racist comment that needs a punch in the face, nor the snide jokes that use racist homophobic tropes.
But yep, your attitude and inability to see a racist and homophobic comment, as a racist and homophobic comment, makes you the type of racist that hopefully will also fade into history, along with the more obviously punchable ones. |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 22:13 - Oct 29 with 1155 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 21:37 - Oct 29 by Swansea_Blue |
I know you don’t, and that’s possibly been part of Labour’s problem. I know you’ve a strong view about how politics should be moving, and it’s a compelling case as the current model doesn’t serve us. People don’t seem to be ready for it though. I’d rather a realistic chance of a New Labour type govt than no chance of a more left wing Labour version. Anything to get these a-holes out. |
But Starmer is screwed on that front too. These authoritarian technocratic centrist types have less chance of getting in than Corbyn. And certainly a lot less chance than a real unity candidate that could have embraced the left and help position the party as optimistic and visionary.
Starter et al have fecked up massively today and unless he works his @rse off to repair the damage he’s leading a divided party that no-one can really believe in, internally but most importantly externally with the members and the voters.
The world, politics as a whole and also the electorate in former Labour heartlands have moved on from New Labour, it’s just the empty fanatics playing their Westminster fetish games that can’t see that. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 23:12 - Oct 29 with 1091 views | Seablu |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 15:59 - Oct 29 by 26_Paz |
What has getting an up vote from me got to do with anything? I’m not a leper ... |
That actually made me laugh.
An upvote from you is the equivalent of a positive STD test. |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 23:44 - Oct 29 with 1055 views | Seablu |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 15:47 - Oct 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Get your archivist to post the quote, thread and context if you want to revisit old ground. Get them to look up how many times another poster told us all that today's report would reveal a party riddled with institutional racism while they are at it.
Ps uppies from Paz, you must be so proud. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 15:48]
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I assume the Glaswegian bistro burger van has gone bust again then.
Happy days. | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:06 - Oct 30 with 986 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 23:12 - Oct 29 by Seablu |
That actually made me laugh.
An upvote from you is the equivalent of a positive STD test. |
Sticking with the good, proper, mature left wing discourse I see. Jeremy would be so proud. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:18 - Oct 30 with 980 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:06 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Sticking with the good, proper, mature left wing discourse I see. Jeremy would be so proud. |
You condemn Corbyn but not Boris or Trump?
You don’t see how that’s fcked up? |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 with 975 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:18 - Oct 30 by NewcyBlue |
You condemn Corbyn but not Boris or Trump?
You don’t see how that’s fcked up? |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:53 - Oct 30 with 942 views | vindicatedblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
Trump has done more than make some poor taste quips Paz. At the very least he’s stoked a race war with his racist rhetoric.
Regarding Boris. To somebody not taking a great deal of interest in what he has said, it may appear he’s only saying what your grandad may have said back in the day and grandad wasn’t a racist. Just had some peculiar views about race.
Actually, if you study what Boris has said over the years then there is a clear pattern of behaviour where he has demeaned minorities for political gain. And as I said many years ago, anyone who takes advise from a new nazi like Steve Bannon is unfit to be this country’s Prime Minister. [Post edited 30 Oct 2020 8:00]
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:53 - Oct 30 with 942 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
No. The report says that Corbyn is responsible for a party where antisemitism complaints weren’t handled as quickly and cleanly as they could have been.
BoJo is guilty of racism and is in charge of a party that has been racially intolerant over a number of years against immigrants, BAME, Roma and even Jews.
You and others know this. And it may even be why a sizeable proportion of you support them. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:55 - Oct 30 with 936 views | tractordownsouth |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
With respect Paz, you need to pipe down on this one. You don’t actually care about the racism victims as much as you say - you’re just here to have a pop. Any committed anti-racist wouldn’t support Trump. It’s far more than “ill advised poor taste quips”- telling US born black politicians to go back to their own country, justifying the shooting of BLM protestors by a 17 year old Republican, his sharing of false black crime statistics. You can’t turn a blind eye to racism when it’s your side doing it - that’s exactly what Corbyn did.
You’re just jumping on this for hypocritical and political reasons and that makes you almost as bad as the racists. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:56 - Oct 30 with 932 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:53 - Oct 30 by vindicatedblue |
Trump has done more than make some poor taste quips Paz. At the very least he’s stoked a race war with his racist rhetoric.
Regarding Boris. To somebody not taking a great deal of interest in what he has said, it may appear he’s only saying what your grandad may have said back in the day and grandad wasn’t a racist. Just had some peculiar views about race.
Actually, if you study what Boris has said over the years then there is a clear pattern of behaviour where he has demeaned minorities for political gain. And as I said many years ago, anyone who takes advise from a new nazi like Steve Bannon is unfit to be this country’s Prime Minister. [Post edited 30 Oct 2020 8:00]
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I would say that supporting a party whose leader is a racist homophobe and describing those comments as akin to bantz makes you a pretty terrible person.
Perhaps that’s why people are commenting on the way that Paz has responded on this thread. |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:57 - Oct 30 with 931 views | eireblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
When people were chanting anti-Semitic tropes, Trump said there were good people on both sides.
Was that a quip?
If you make a joke about Jewish people using an ant-Semitic trope, like Boris has done, or make a homophobic or racist quip, then that isn’t a problem?
A person that manages to keep making racist quips, is a racist.
Well, finally we can see what your context is. You just want to make racist jokes. | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:03 - Oct 30 with 919 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:53 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont |
No. The report says that Corbyn is responsible for a party where antisemitism complaints weren’t handled as quickly and cleanly as they could have been.
BoJo is guilty of racism and is in charge of a party that has been racially intolerant over a number of years against immigrants, BAME, Roma and even Jews.
You and others know this. And it may even be why a sizeable proportion of you support them. |
what the report actually says is that there was systematic political interference from the leader's office in the complaints procedure and a deep failure of leadership on the issue. it also says that the party carried out unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination. it also says that the party breached the equality act 2010 by committing unlawful harassment by its agents suggesting that complaints of antisemitism were fake or smears. that last one is something corbyn did again himself yesterday and you have been doing on here for years. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:08 - Oct 30 with 910 views | vindicatedblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:55 - Oct 30 by tractordownsouth |
With respect Paz, you need to pipe down on this one. You don’t actually care about the racism victims as much as you say - you’re just here to have a pop. Any committed anti-racist wouldn’t support Trump. It’s far more than “ill advised poor taste quips”- telling US born black politicians to go back to their own country, justifying the shooting of BLM protestors by a 17 year old Republican, his sharing of false black crime statistics. You can’t turn a blind eye to racism when it’s your side doing it - that’s exactly what Corbyn did.
You’re just jumping on this for hypocritical and political reasons and that makes you almost as bad as the racists. |
Trump is on another level to Corbin and Johnson. Trump is a dangerous deranged racist.
Johnson and Corbyn are very similar IMO. Johnson, pre leadership, was always seen as a very liberal Tory from the one nation side. Corbyn was a lifelong anti racist.
Yet both allowed themselves to be associated with the very worst people, Johnson with the likes of Bannon, Corbyn with various antisemites and Holocaust deniers. They have also made demeaning comments aimed at minorities, Johnson with his pickaninnies remark, Corbyn with his “don’t get English irony” comments aimed at Jews, and both have shown zero inclination to deal with the various racists and crackpots in their respective parties.
The pair of them are racist by their words, actions and inactions. | | | |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:09 - Oct 30 with 911 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:03 - Oct 30 by lowhouseblue |
what the report actually says is that there was systematic political interference from the leader's office in the complaints procedure and a deep failure of leadership on the issue. it also says that the party carried out unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination. it also says that the party breached the equality act 2010 by committing unlawful harassment by its agents suggesting that complaints of antisemitism were fake or smears. that last one is something corbyn did again himself yesterday and you have been doing on here for years. |
This. Saying ‘but a newspaper article from 10 years ago’ does not excuse this. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:16 - Oct 30 with 902 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
No mate.
Boris hasn’t made poor quips. He’s made several offensive comments.
I’ve got a mixed race Mrs, mixed race twins. You don’t see that calling them “picaninnies” can be construed as racist?
That’s exactly what Boris did.
Here is a handy list of 10 racial comments Boris has made
https://www.indy100.com/article/boris-johnson-racist-keir-starmer-pmqs-george-fl
The evidence overwhelmingly stacks up against him. He’s a racist. He has enabled and emboldened the racists.
I like punching racists.
The likes of Boris and Rees-Smog are not welcome in my town. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:21 - Oct 30 with 898 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:03 - Oct 30 by lowhouseblue |
what the report actually says is that there was systematic political interference from the leader's office in the complaints procedure and a deep failure of leadership on the issue. it also says that the party carried out unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination. it also says that the party breached the equality act 2010 by committing unlawful harassment by its agents suggesting that complaints of antisemitism were fake or smears. that last one is something corbyn did again himself yesterday and you have been doing on here for years. |
Why was their interference from the leader’s office?
Yes, the complaints procedure should have worked better and without interference but there was interference mostly to get the GLU to actually process cases.
You know this - and if you don’t you should.
You’ve already mischaracterised the report and Corbyn’s comments re: the findings. It is perfectly acceptable to point out that alongside antisemitism clearly existing there was a quite egregious smear campaign and misrepresentation of the actual scale of the problem. So Starmer’s going to suspend him for speaking the truth.
You’re just the sort of slimy, immoral commentator to applaud him for it. I most certainly am not. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:25 - Oct 30 with 887 views | lowhouseblue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:21 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont |
Why was their interference from the leader’s office?
Yes, the complaints procedure should have worked better and without interference but there was interference mostly to get the GLU to actually process cases.
You know this - and if you don’t you should.
You’ve already mischaracterised the report and Corbyn’s comments re: the findings. It is perfectly acceptable to point out that alongside antisemitism clearly existing there was a quite egregious smear campaign and misrepresentation of the actual scale of the problem. So Starmer’s going to suspend him for speaking the truth.
You’re just the sort of slimy, immoral commentator to applaud him for it. I most certainly am not. |
you've spent years down playing, dismissing, and attacking just about every single report of anti-semitism. time and again you've claimed its 'scummy smears'. you've done it for political convenience to defend people you otherwise support. and you call others slimy and immoral. nice. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:32 - Oct 30 with 876 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 07:27 - Oct 30 by 26_Paz |
Corbyn actively discriminated against people. Boris and Trump have made some ill advised, poor taste quips. You don’t see how that’s different? |
Oh come on Paz, the Corbyn stuff was just bantz too! |  |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:43 - Oct 30 with 851 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:08 - Oct 30 by vindicatedblue |
Trump is on another level to Corbin and Johnson. Trump is a dangerous deranged racist.
Johnson and Corbyn are very similar IMO. Johnson, pre leadership, was always seen as a very liberal Tory from the one nation side. Corbyn was a lifelong anti racist.
Yet both allowed themselves to be associated with the very worst people, Johnson with the likes of Bannon, Corbyn with various antisemites and Holocaust deniers. They have also made demeaning comments aimed at minorities, Johnson with his pickaninnies remark, Corbyn with his “don’t get English irony” comments aimed at Jews, and both have shown zero inclination to deal with the various racists and crackpots in their respective parties.
The pair of them are racist by their words, actions and inactions. |
Oh dear.
Still spouting the same nonsense. Show me the account of where he accused “Jews” of not getting English irony rather than specific Zionist activists who tried to disrupt a meeting where he accused them of not getting the irony of the Palestinian speaker. Even one of the nutjobs, Richard Millett, confirmed that “Corbyn said I don’t get irony”.
You’re an utter disgrace on this subject.
Anyone who actually cares about it can read what was said and why here:
https://labourbriefing.org/blog/2018/8/29/full-texxt-of-that-speech-by-jeremy-on | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:43 - Oct 30 with 850 views | NewcyBlue |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:21 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont |
Why was their interference from the leader’s office?
Yes, the complaints procedure should have worked better and without interference but there was interference mostly to get the GLU to actually process cases.
You know this - and if you don’t you should.
You’ve already mischaracterised the report and Corbyn’s comments re: the findings. It is perfectly acceptable to point out that alongside antisemitism clearly existing there was a quite egregious smear campaign and misrepresentation of the actual scale of the problem. So Starmer’s going to suspend him for speaking the truth.
You’re just the sort of slimy, immoral commentator to applaud him for it. I most certainly am not. |
I haven’t really followed this as intently as others.
I have questions.
The EHRC report is clearly a damning portrayal of a period of time of which the Labour Party has been accused of antisemitism.
The report states that unlawful acts have been committed. Is this report like a report from the Marine Accident Investigation Branch (or similarly Air Accident Investigation Branch) where you are legally required to comply with them, and as such the report cannot be used as evidence in a court of law?
Considering that they have concluded that such unlawful acts happened, what do you consider to be the main failings under Corbyn with regards to the handling of antisemitism?
It seems that the social media policy was all wrong, do you think that should have been addressed sooner?
I’ve only read parts of the report so far. I currently have a twin on my lap who cries when I put him down. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:46 - Oct 30 with 839 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:21 - Oct 30 by Darth_Koont |
Why was their interference from the leader’s office?
Yes, the complaints procedure should have worked better and without interference but there was interference mostly to get the GLU to actually process cases.
You know this - and if you don’t you should.
You’ve already mischaracterised the report and Corbyn’s comments re: the findings. It is perfectly acceptable to point out that alongside antisemitism clearly existing there was a quite egregious smear campaign and misrepresentation of the actual scale of the problem. So Starmer’s going to suspend him for speaking the truth.
You’re just the sort of slimy, immoral commentator to applaud him for it. I most certainly am not. |
This was definitely nothing to do with crappy centrist career politicians throwing their toys out of the pram.....not a bit of it! 23 cases, I thought it was in the tens of thousands at least. | |
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| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:53 - Oct 30 with 890 views | 26_Paz |
| Corbyn suspended... (n/t) on 08:46 - Oct 30 by BanksterDebtSlave |
This was definitely nothing to do with crappy centrist career politicians throwing their toys out of the pram.....not a bit of it! 23 cases, I thought it was in the tens of thousands at least. |
Couple of points here.
1. If you are seriously suggesting that all of this is a smear campaign from ‘crappy centrist career politicians’ then you are part of the problem.
2. What’s Corbyn if he’s not a career politician? He’s never had a job outside politics in his life! | |
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