| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed 16:46 - Nov 5 with 3234 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I give you exhibit B;
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:49 - Nov 5 with 2290 views | SpruceMoose |
I'd be interested to see Exhibit C, D and E with the next few frames though. |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:49 - Nov 5 with 2284 views | Wallingford_Boy |
Yeah doesn't look great from that angle, not two footed, but not sure anyone thought it was.
The angle from i-follow didn't show anything really! |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:51 - Nov 5 with 2276 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:49 - Nov 5 by Wallingford_Boy |
Yeah doesn't look great from that angle, not two footed, but not sure anyone thought it was.
The angle from i-follow didn't show anything really! |
There were a couple of posters on here. I'm naming no names.
EDIT: Also, this angle shows exactly what I thought (and posted) that ifollow showed. [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 16:54]
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:52 - Nov 5 with 2261 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:49 - Nov 5 by SpruceMoose |
I'd be interested to see Exhibit C, D and E with the next few frames though. |
Not sure it matters does it? He's clearly attempting the tackle with his left foot while his right is on the grass, slipping. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:54 - Nov 5 with 2248 views | SpruceMoose |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:52 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not sure it matters does it? He's clearly attempting the tackle with his left foot while his right is on the grass, slipping. |
I reckon Bully would say we need to see them. Who knows what his other foot did next. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:55 - Nov 5 with 2242 views | footers |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:51 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There were a couple of posters on here. I'm naming no names.
EDIT: Also, this angle shows exactly what I thought (and posted) that ifollow showed. [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 16:54]
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:55 - Nov 5 with 2234 views | pointofblue |
As the tweeter says, Dozzell being over the ball does not look good. |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:56 - Nov 5 with 2227 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:54 - Nov 5 by SpruceMoose |
I reckon Bully would say we need to see them. Who knows what his other foot did next. |
Surely a two-footed challenge needs both going in at the same time? If his right follows in (because he's slipping) that surely doesn't make it a two-footed challenge? | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:59 - Nov 5 with 2211 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:55 - Nov 5 by footers |
But good job of letting the argument lie. |
I said I'd agree to disagree and leave it there with a particular poster, I never agreed to letting the argument lie in general!
I'm just a purveyor of truth, Footster. Andre is innocent! [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 17:07]
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:00 - Nov 5 with 2203 views | SpruceMoose |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:56 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Surely a two-footed challenge needs both going in at the same time? If his right follows in (because he's slipping) that surely doesn't make it a two-footed challenge? |
I don't see why it would require that. One foot goes first, then the other could join it prior to impact. [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 17:00]
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:02 - Nov 5 with 2197 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:55 - Nov 5 by pointofblue |
As the tweeter says, Dozzell being over the ball does not look good. |
No, agreed. Whether that makes it a straight red or not is another matter.
Not my argument though. I just had a ding-dong with a couple of people saying he went in two-footed, so good to see this picture vindicates me on that score at least. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:06 - Nov 5 with 2182 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:00 - Nov 5 by SpruceMoose |
I don't see why it would require that. One foot goes first, then the other could join it prior to impact. [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 17:00]
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We may have different definitions of what a two-footed challenge is then, but regardless, the left foot is clearly making impact way before the right (if it ever did).
If I kick you in the shin with my left foot and then shortly afterwards my right, it's not nice but it's not a two-footed challenge. Not as I understand them anyway. | |
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| You drunk? (n/t) on 17:08 - Nov 5 with 2172 views | Bloots |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:55 - Nov 5 by footers |
But good job of letting the argument lie. |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:08 - Nov 5 with 2170 views | SpruceMoose |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:06 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We may have different definitions of what a two-footed challenge is then, but regardless, the left foot is clearly making impact way before the right (if it ever did).
If I kick you in the shin with my left foot and then shortly afterwards my right, it's not nice but it's not a two-footed challenge. Not as I understand them anyway. |
Wait until I get you with a four footed tackle. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:08 - Nov 5 with 2169 views | Dubtractor |
It does look like a shin high lunge, regardless of the number of feet involved.
It was a harsh red, but was never getting overturned in a million years. |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:09 - Nov 5 with 2168 views | homer_123 |
No but, as I said on the night, the only reason I can think of for the Ref to give it was that Dozzell wasn't in control...which this, sadly, kinda indicates. |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:10 - Nov 5 with 2155 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:08 - Nov 5 by SpruceMoose |
Wait until I get you with a four footed tackle. |
A four hooved tackle you mean? | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:11 - Nov 5 with 2145 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:08 - Nov 5 by Dubtractor |
It does look like a shin high lunge, regardless of the number of feet involved.
It was a harsh red, but was never getting overturned in a million years. |
Agreed. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:14 - Nov 5 with 2137 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:09 - Nov 5 by homer_123 |
No but, as I said on the night, the only reason I can think of for the Ref to give it was that Dozzell wasn't in control...which this, sadly, kinda indicates. |
Depends if he makes contact with the ball first? Not sure this photo tells us one way or the other. All it tells us is he didn't dive in two-footed, which would've been a (deserved) red. | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:25 - Nov 5 with 2107 views | EastTownBlue |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:14 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Depends if he makes contact with the ball first? Not sure this photo tells us one way or the other. All it tells us is he didn't dive in two-footed, which would've been a (deserved) red. |
Winning the ball first is irrelevant when it comes to "serious foul play". | | | |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:28 - Nov 5 with 2096 views | Darth_Koont |
It was a foul and could easily have been a yellow despite going for the ball.
The mitigating factor for me seemed to be the other Sunderland player behind who looked to have pulled Andre back and off balance as he was stretching for the ball and well ahead of Leadbitter.
I can se why the red card can’t be overturned but In the context of the game and what led up to the challenge, it was still a very poor decision by the ref. |  |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:29 - Nov 5 with 2088 views | Ftnfwest |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:49 - Nov 5 by SpruceMoose |
I'd be interested to see Exhibit C, D and E with the next few frames though. |
It’s the ones before I’d like to see when he gets pushed but if contact anywhere is a foul, it was a foregone conclusion really |  | | |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:48 - Nov 5 with 2009 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:28 - Nov 5 by Darth_Koont |
It was a foul and could easily have been a yellow despite going for the ball.
The mitigating factor for me seemed to be the other Sunderland player behind who looked to have pulled Andre back and off balance as he was stretching for the ball and well ahead of Leadbitter.
I can se why the red card can’t be overturned but In the context of the game and what led up to the challenge, it was still a very poor decision by the ref. |
Yep, absolutely. Also, as Joe and others said, he let plenty bad challenges go completely unpunished up to that point. It was like the ref had finally had enough and blamed everything on Andre! | |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:52 - Nov 5 with 1992 views | Herbivore |
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| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 17:54 - Nov 5 with 1982 views | longtimefan |
| Anyone still thinking Dozzell's challenge was two-footed on 16:56 - Nov 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Surely a two-footed challenge needs both going in at the same time? If his right follows in (because he's slipping) that surely doesn't make it a two-footed challenge? |
It doesn’t need to be two footed to be classed as dangerous, and red as a consequence. A single footed challenge at that height could still classed as such. | | | |
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