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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:23 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile
You didn't say "it was unreasonable force used by the officer" though. You said, "Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. Effectively assaulting a veteran on Remembrance Sunday."
You got sucked in by a pre-planned stunt and now you're doubling down? Why don't you just hold your hands up. What was actually disgraceful if this lot planning this provocation of the police, trying to get one fired, and looking for social media likes, on Remembrance Sunday.
And you keep calling him "the veteran" to try and make it sound worse. We know his name now, that he's an ex ukip prick, and he's admitting he planned this to goad the police.
And you helped them by spreading this fake news. Shameful.
Jesus some people are so desperate to win an argument on the internet. I am not doubling down on anything. There was no way at the time I could have known it was a pre planned stunt, and now I know I condemn his behaviour. But here is the thing there is no way the police officer in question could have know it was a pre planned stunt. The guy did not attack the police officer he tried to walk through. All they had to do was stand firm, not let him past & warn him. If he then tried again more forceful action would be justified. I am calling him a veteran because that it what he is not to make it sound worse. Ok I will call him a veteran and ex UKIP member from now on then. Just because he has come out and admitted he did it deliberately doesn't justify the officers actions. It's fine you know to criticise both individuals behaviour, neither of them come out looking good after all this.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:47 - Nov 9 with 1426 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:43 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
Jesus some people are so desperate to win an argument on the internet. I am not doubling down on anything. There was no way at the time I could have known it was a pre planned stunt, and now I know I condemn his behaviour. But here is the thing there is no way the police officer in question could have know it was a pre planned stunt. The guy did not attack the police officer he tried to walk through. All they had to do was stand firm, not let him past & warn him. If he then tried again more forceful action would be justified. I am calling him a veteran because that it what he is not to make it sound worse. Ok I will call him a veteran and ex UKIP member from now on then. Just because he has come out and admitted he did it deliberately doesn't justify the officers actions. It's fine you know to criticise both individuals behaviour, neither of them come out looking good after all this.
You can't have been on many demos if you think a slight shove on a fully grown man constitutes egregious action by the police. If you walk into a police line, much worse than that can and does happen.
At a time of rising far-right terrorism, who could tell what his motives were for doing something so stupid?
I'm not exactly the Met's biggest fan, but there really isn't much to see from them here.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:47 - Nov 9 by footers
You can't have been on many demos if you think a slight shove on a fully grown man constitutes egregious action by the police. If you walk into a police line, much worse than that can and does happen.
At a time of rising far-right terrorism, who could tell what his motives were for doing something so stupid?
I'm not exactly the Met's biggest fan, but there really isn't much to see from them here.
The difference with demos it is usually several people all at once trying to breach a police wall not one individual playing the bagpipes.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:54 - Nov 9 with 1390 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
The difference with demos it is usually several people all at once trying to breach a police wall not one individual playing the bagpipes.
The only person who seems pathetically desperate to win an argument is you, tbh. The police officer handed him off, and he made an absolute bloody meal of it because his entire aim was to cause trouble on Remembrance Sunday of all days. Being ex-army doesn't, and shouldn't, give you immunity from being called out on being a sh*tstirring disrespectful idiot.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:55 - Nov 9 with 1378 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:51 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
The difference with demos it is usually several people all at once trying to breach a police wall not one individual playing the bagpipes.
He'd obviously already been informed that he was not going to be allowed to go any further. He's a dickhead and imho, the police were restrained throughout the provocation.
If this was set up as the veteran states, then it is possible that he had tried to cross the Police line before the very short piece of video footage. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had spent time winding them up just to get a reaction to post on the internet. My initial reaction to watching the footage before seeing the following video is that the piper was trying to provoke reaction, turns out he was. Just because somebody is a veteran it doesn’t make them special or an upstanding member of the community. The term veteran is splashed around too often to suggest that veterans should always receive special treatment.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:01 - Nov 9 with 1356 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:54 - Nov 9 by BlueLikeJazz
The only person who seems pathetically desperate to win an argument is you, tbh. The police officer handed him off, and he made an absolute bloody meal of it because his entire aim was to cause trouble on Remembrance Sunday of all days. Being ex-army doesn't, and shouldn't, give you immunity from being called out on being a sh*tstirring disrespectful idiot.
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"Being ex-army doesn't, and shouldn't, give you immunity from being called out on being a sh*tstirring disrespectful idiot."
I never said it did.
I didn't know at the time it was a stunt and I have condemned is behaviour but nor could the police officer that is my point.
It was a shove, which there was no need for regardless of this guys motives.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:23 - Nov 9 with 1311 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:01 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
"Being ex-army doesn't, and shouldn't, give you immunity from being called out on being a sh*tstirring disrespectful idiot."
I never said it did.
I didn't know at the time it was a stunt and I have condemned is behaviour but nor could the police officer that is my point.
It was a shove, which there was no need for regardless of this guys motives.
The police are there to stop people getting past. It's a very visible police line with barriers. Regardless of this he tried to get past, so there was every need to shove him away.
If he had been some poor unsuspecting member of the public who made a genuine error, you'd have every right to criticise how they responded and say it was heavy handed. But this wasn't the case. He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:01 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
"Being ex-army doesn't, and shouldn't, give you immunity from being called out on being a sh*tstirring disrespectful idiot."
I never said it did.
I didn't know at the time it was a stunt and I have condemned is behaviour but nor could the police officer that is my point.
It was a shove, which there was no need for regardless of this guys motives.
It wasn't a "shove", it was a hand-off, and the copper probably had social distancing in mind as well. Not to mention some of them will have had the unpleasant experience of being spat on in the past, and it's instinctive to be defensive rather than just let someone walk right into you.
These kind of set-ups are so common these days that you have to bear that possibility in mind before assisting them by spreading the propaganda.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:23 - Nov 9 by SouperJim
The police are there to stop people getting past. It's a very visible police line with barriers. Regardless of this he tried to get past, so there was every need to shove him away.
If he had been some poor unsuspecting member of the public who made a genuine error, you'd have every right to criticise how they responded and say it was heavy handed. But this wasn't the case. He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.
'He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.'
That above statement is not fact. All it says in that article is;
'The man had previously been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and he would be able to attend the Cenotaph.'
If this guy had previously tried to breach the police wall then I would agree with you. But the article doesn't say that, if it comes out that he had tried two or three times previously and had been goading those police officers then I will accept the officers actions was completely justified. Although if
As it stand all we know is he tried once and was shoved back forcefully.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:08 - Nov 9 with 1257 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:43 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
Jesus some people are so desperate to win an argument on the internet. I am not doubling down on anything. There was no way at the time I could have known it was a pre planned stunt, and now I know I condemn his behaviour. But here is the thing there is no way the police officer in question could have know it was a pre planned stunt. The guy did not attack the police officer he tried to walk through. All they had to do was stand firm, not let him past & warn him. If he then tried again more forceful action would be justified. I am calling him a veteran because that it what he is not to make it sound worse. Ok I will call him a veteran and ex UKIP member from now on then. Just because he has come out and admitted he did it deliberately doesn't justify the officers actions. It's fine you know to criticise both individuals behaviour, neither of them come out looking good after all this.
It's funny how some of us had doubts about this right away, whereas you steamed in with attacking the police. You also don't know if he HAD been warned, several times before.
It's not about winning an argument on the internet it's about seeking the truth. Maybe you should reflect on that before sharing "blame disgrace" videos in the future.
He'd have come off a lot worse in America. I think with 'a bit of a shove' he got off rather lightly.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:10 - Nov 9 with 1253 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:51 - Nov 9 by Ryorry
It wasn't a "shove", it was a hand-off, and the copper probably had social distancing in mind as well. Not to mention some of them will have had the unpleasant experience of being spat on in the past, and it's instinctive to be defensive rather than just let someone walk right into you.
These kind of set-ups are so common these days that you have to bear that possibility in mind before assisting them by spreading the propaganda.
Very good point Ry, I hadn't thought of that. If someone deliberately came that close to me now, in order to provoke, I'd give them a shove at the very least!
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:16 - Nov 9 with 1229 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:07 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
'He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.'
That above statement is not fact. All it says in that article is;
'The man had previously been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and he would be able to attend the Cenotaph.'
If this guy had previously tried to breach the police wall then I would agree with you. But the article doesn't say that, if it comes out that he had tried two or three times previously and had been goading those police officers then I will accept the officers actions was completely justified. Although if
As it stand all we know is he tried once and was shoved back forcefully.
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"shoved back forcefully."
"forcefully" ? 🤣 Your take on that alone tells me you're not being objective here.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:07 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
'He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.'
That above statement is not fact. All it says in that article is;
'The man had previously been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and he would be able to attend the Cenotaph.'
If this guy had previously tried to breach the police wall then I would agree with you. But the article doesn't say that, if it comes out that he had tried two or three times previously and had been goading those police officers then I will accept the officers actions was completely justified. Although if
As it stand all we know is he tried once and was shoved back forcefully.
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"Forcefully"??? Hahahaha! If he thinks that was forceful I've no idea how he passed army recruitment
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:18 - Nov 9 with 1229 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:08 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile
It's funny how some of us had doubts about this right away, whereas you steamed in with attacking the police. You also don't know if he HAD been warned, several times before.
It's not about winning an argument on the internet it's about seeking the truth. Maybe you should reflect on that before sharing "blame disgrace" videos in the future.
He'd have come off a lot worse in America. I think with 'a bit of a shove' he got off rather lightly.
You are right I don't know if he had been warned previously just in the same way you don't that he had been.
I have already condemned him. If I had known at the time it was a deliberate stunt I wouldn't have made the post.
If it comes out they he had tried previously to break through & was warned I will absolve the police officer, but until then I still think his shove was OTT.
I get the feeling that because it has now been revealed he his ex UKIP that justifies what happened to him in your eyes.
Your last statement is irrelevant we are not in America.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:22 - Nov 9 with 1218 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:10 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
So the police officer in question was a mind reader and knew this guy had deliberately planned this.
Ok
I don;t know why you keep posting this like it supports your argument when it really does the opposite. That copper had no idea what he was going to do, he's lucky he got off with nothing more than a hand-off.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:23 - Nov 9 with 1212 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 12:43 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
Jesus some people are so desperate to win an argument on the internet. I am not doubling down on anything. There was no way at the time I could have known it was a pre planned stunt, and now I know I condemn his behaviour. But here is the thing there is no way the police officer in question could have know it was a pre planned stunt. The guy did not attack the police officer he tried to walk through. All they had to do was stand firm, not let him past & warn him. If he then tried again more forceful action would be justified. I am calling him a veteran because that it what he is not to make it sound worse. Ok I will call him a veteran and ex UKIP member from now on then. Just because he has come out and admitted he did it deliberately doesn't justify the officers actions. It's fine you know to criticise both individuals behaviour, neither of them come out looking good after all this.
Well, if you are going to have an argument on the internet, surely you would want to win it.
This losing mentality that set in under Hurst and Lambert, such a problem that needs to be stamped out.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:27 - Nov 9 with 1201 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:17 - Nov 9 by The_Flashing_Smile
Not the point I'm making. You've just said the police shouldn't shove someone regardless of their motives! Unbelievable.
As Ryorry's just pointed out, would you let someone walk right into you, deliberately, provoking, right now during a pandemic?
I'd shove them away as well.
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No I didn't say that I said regardless of 'his' motives. If someone came charging towards the police with a weapon for example I would expect the police to do more than just shove a person.
Interesting that there were two officers he tried to walk in between but only one of them felt the need to shove him backwards, the other one just stood firm.
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Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:29 - Nov 9 with 1193 views
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:07 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
'He was a trouble maker deliberately trying to get up to no good and they knew this. You really have zero argument here.'
That above statement is not fact. All it says in that article is;
'The man had previously been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and he would be able to attend the Cenotaph.'
If this guy had previously tried to breach the police wall then I would agree with you. But the article doesn't say that, if it comes out that he had tried two or three times previously and had been goading those police officers then I will accept the officers actions was completely justified. Although if
As it stand all we know is he tried once and was shoved back forcefully.
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Based on everything we now know, if you chose to believe that up to the point of the police pushing him away he had presented as a perfectly well behaved member of the public, then you naively crack on with that.
We're supplied with a 10 second clip of him walking along the line of police playing the bagpipes in their faces before getting a shove for trying to walk through them. The article you quote says he was asked to wait until the restricted area was opened up. So he was already told what to do and chose to ignore.
As others have said, you seem determined to double down and argue black is white. The bloke himself admitted it was a deliberate act to try and provoke a response. Cue faux outrage, disgraceful coppers shoving around innocent defenseless veterans etc. Laughable.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 14:27 - Nov 9 by Enigma_Blue
No I didn't say that I said regardless of 'his' motives. If someone came charging towards the police with a weapon for example I would expect the police to do more than just shove a person.
Interesting that there were two officers he tried to walk in between but only one of them felt the need to shove him backwards, the other one just stood firm.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police. on 13:51 - Nov 9 by Ryorry
It wasn't a "shove", it was a hand-off, and the copper probably had social distancing in mind as well. Not to mention some of them will have had the unpleasant experience of being spat on in the past, and it's instinctive to be defensive rather than just let someone walk right into you.
These kind of set-ups are so common these days that you have to bear that possibility in mind before assisting them by spreading the propaganda.
People are playing down the policeman actions because he has now come out and said he did it deliberately, so that makes him fair game. It was a shove not a hand off, if you look at the video the officers arms were fully extended.
You say it was instinct from the officer so say for example it was a little old lady who walked into him he would have still done the same thing?
He tried to walk in between two officers which was wrong but only one of them felt the need to push him, perhaps that officer could learn some restraint like the other officer.
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