| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:35 - Nov 9 with 913 views | Mercian |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 13:41 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
I'm the world's biggest optimist but I still think it's wise to be cautious.
They've spent decades trying to perfect a vaccine for "ordinary" 'flu, which is also a coronavirus. They haven't managed it yet due to mutations. Tens of thousands (incl me) caught flu last winter despite having had the standard flu jab.
I posted a couple of weeks ago re an interview with a Prof (can't remember his name but Gordon endorsed him) who said, basically, that more effective treatment was more likely to be a way out of the pandemic than an effective vaccine - compared it with effective treatments for HIV - for which there's still no working vaccine. |
Ordinary flu is not caused by any of the coronavirus family but by influenza virus, that is why it is called flu. About 10 percent of colds are caused by a mild coronavirus. From what I gather these are the heavy colds with symptoms similar to flu without the high temperatures. |  | |  |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:36 - Nov 9 with 909 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:33 - Nov 9 by J2BLUE |
To be fair, as much as I dislike the Tories, they've done brilliantly to get 40m doses. 10m doses by Christmas if it gets final approval would be amazing.
This is one where we have to give them some reluctant credit. |
2 doses, 28 days apart.
So the numbers are halved, but it means we can get some key workers vaccinated this year (hopefully).
Pfizer have said they can produce 1.3bn doses next year and you'd hope (maybe naively) that they share this with other production facilities to expedite production |  | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:38 - Nov 9 with 878 views | Ryorry |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:33 - Nov 9 by J2BLUE |
To be fair, as much as I dislike the Tories, they've done brilliantly to get 40m doses. 10m doses by Christmas if it gets final approval would be amazing.
This is one where we have to give them some reluctant credit. |
Bearing in mind their previous catastrophic cock-ups, I'm going to reserve judgement until it's all successfully done & dusted 🤞ðŸ¼
The proof of the pudding is in the eating & all that :) |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:40 - Nov 9 with 871 views | Ryorry |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:35 - Nov 9 by Mercian |
Ordinary flu is not caused by any of the coronavirus family but by influenza virus, that is why it is called flu. About 10 percent of colds are caused by a mild coronavirus. From what I gather these are the heavy colds with symptoms similar to flu without the high temperatures. |
Yes, we've already been there, please read the rest of the thread  | |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:46 - Nov 9 with 869 views | eastangliaisblue |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 13:46 - Nov 9 by giant_stow |
Just read you link and then went to Facebook: the first thread I saw was about this (in a local walthamstow group). Most comments by far were along the lines of "no thanks", "no way am i touching that", or "they made it too quickly to be safe"! Even including one from a bloke who says he has asthma.
I mean, wtf?
Edit: the most dpressing comment yet:
"3 people I know have died from it .where my partner works, one has it , his daughter is in a coma and his mum died .
I still wouldn’t get it " [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 14:02]
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See this thread earlier and came back to post something similar. Why are so many people ill-informed morons? |  | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:47 - Nov 9 with 860 views | hype313 |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:46 - Nov 9 by eastangliaisblue |
See this thread earlier and came back to post something similar. Why are so many people ill-informed morons? |
Been watching too much David Icke |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:49 - Nov 9 with 853 views | StokieBlue |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 13:46 - Nov 9 by giant_stow |
Just read you link and then went to Facebook: the first thread I saw was about this (in a local walthamstow group). Most comments by far were along the lines of "no thanks", "no way am i touching that", or "they made it too quickly to be safe"! Even including one from a bloke who says he has asthma.
I mean, wtf?
Edit: the most dpressing comment yet:
"3 people I know have died from it .where my partner works, one has it , his daughter is in a coma and his mum died .
I still wouldn’t get it " [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 14:02]
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I think the key point to take away from this is that it's folly to be in a Walthamstow FB group.
One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group.
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:51 - Nov 9 with 839 views | footers |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:49 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I think the key point to take away from this is that it's folly to be in a Walthamstow FB group.
One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group.
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Not Bodybuilders Against Tipping. That group is excellent. |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:52 - Nov 9 with 833 views | hype313 |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:51 - Nov 9 by footers |
Not Bodybuilders Against Tipping. That group is excellent. |
Is that the fly version or the service charge option? [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 14:53]
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:53 - Nov 9 with 831 views | Mercian |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:40 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
Yes, we've already been there, please read the rest of the thread |
Yeah, sorry about that. bad me. | | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:53 - Nov 9 with 828 views | giant_stow |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:49 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I think the key point to take away from this is that it's folly to be in a Walthamstow FB group.
One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group.
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You're definately right! I'm just staggered, but how many of them there are. |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:53 - Nov 9 with 827 views | footers |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:52 - Nov 9 by hype313 |
Is that the fly version or the service charge option? [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 14:53]
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Ha! I hadn't thought of that :D | |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:56 - Nov 9 with 819 views | clive_baker |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:33 - Nov 9 by J2BLUE |
To be fair, as much as I dislike the Tories, they've done brilliantly to get 40m doses. 10m doses by Christmas if it gets final approval would be amazing.
This is one where we have to give them some reluctant credit. |
On a per capita basis, 40m doses to the UK is more than 200m to the EU with a population of 450m. We have sufficient stock for everyone over the age of 50 to get one from this tranche, or 2 for everyone over the age of 65. Knowing how this virus operates and who it's especially dangerous to it feels like we've done well, on paper, to secure them.
I'll reserve judgement until we've demonstrated we can roll it out safely and effectively though. Logistics doesn't seem to be our strong point. |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:02 - Nov 9 with 799 views | J2BLUE |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:36 - Nov 9 by ElderGrizzly |
2 doses, 28 days apart.
So the numbers are halved, but it means we can get some key workers vaccinated this year (hopefully).
Pfizer have said they can produce 1.3bn doses next year and you'd hope (maybe naively) that they share this with other production facilities to expedite production |
Didn't know that. Still those every person vaccinated is hopefully another step nearer normality. |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:02 - Nov 9 with 800 views | ElderGrizzly |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:56 - Nov 9 by clive_baker |
On a per capita basis, 40m doses to the UK is more than 200m to the EU with a population of 450m. We have sufficient stock for everyone over the age of 50 to get one from this tranche, or 2 for everyone over the age of 65. Knowing how this virus operates and who it's especially dangerous to it feels like we've done well, on paper, to secure them.
I'll reserve judgement until we've demonstrated we can roll it out safely and effectively though. Logistics doesn't seem to be our strong point. |
Knowing our Goverment, we've secured a Covid18 vaccine at a discount.
Worth remembering any dose figure needs to be halved as it takes 2 doses over 28 days. | | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:12 - Nov 9 with 757 views | Ryorry |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 14:49 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
I think the key point to take away from this is that it's folly to be in a Walthamstow FB group.
One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group.
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"One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group."
Not so, please don't throw babies out with the bathwater - that's also spreading unhelpful misinfomation
The various regional anti-fracking fb groups have been invaluable in helping block the march of the global oil & gas corps from spreading their potentially catastrophic (for both environment and local communities) mining; and the various dog breed & health groups are both great fun & a source of excellent information & advice. No doubt there are many other closed groups which are just as sound, useful & valuable. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 15:13]
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:13 - Nov 9 with 760 views | clive_baker |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:02 - Nov 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Knowing our Goverment, we've secured a Covid18 vaccine at a discount.
Worth remembering any dose figure needs to be halved as it takes 2 doses over 28 days. |
Lol. We've probably been scammed by Pfizer like one of those dodgy Ebay listings you read about when someone thinks they're buying a chair and it's actually an image of a chair.
There's 20m people over the age of 55 in the UK. Even if all these vaccines go to that cohort (2 each) that's an enormous win given how statistically insignificant the risk is to younger people.
I'm sure it'll be more nuanced than that, going to those with underlying health conditions but the fact remains if you took the 20m most at risk of the UK population, that's a massive win. | |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:19 - Nov 9 with 746 views | StokieBlue |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:12 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
"One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group."
Not so, please don't throw babies out with the bathwater - that's also spreading unhelpful misinfomation
The various regional anti-fracking fb groups have been invaluable in helping block the march of the global oil & gas corps from spreading their potentially catastrophic (for both environment and local communities) mining; and the various dog breed & health groups are both great fun & a source of excellent information & advice. No doubt there are many other closed groups which are just as sound, useful & valuable. [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 15:13]
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"Not so, please don't throw babies out with the bathwater - that's also spreading unhelpful misinfomation"
Wow. It wasn't entirely serious for starters but that's a totally out of proportion response. Misinformation! You need to get some perspective if that's what you call "misinformation" given everything we see in the world on a daily basis.
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:20 - Nov 9 with 742 views | shady |
Yes, great news concerning the vaccine.
However concern about logistics. this vaccine needs storage at -80C
Many more fridges will need to be manufactured and may only be available in large hospitals.
Country patients will need to travel to receive their shots.
Also cost price is about 20$ so retail mark-up will be 50% + VAT |  | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:26 - Nov 9 with 724 views | itfcjoe |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:19 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
"Not so, please don't throw babies out with the bathwater - that's also spreading unhelpful misinfomation"
Wow. It wasn't entirely serious for starters but that's a totally out of proportion response. Misinformation! You need to get some perspective if that's what you call "misinformation" given everything we see in the world on a daily basis.
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Maybe the anti-vaxxers will fall foul to natural selection? |  |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:29 - Nov 9 with 719 views | Ace_High1 |
As others have said, a piece of good news, we are all cautious with our optimism on this and as Clive says no doubt our Gov will find a way to make it harder than it should be.
Roll on 2021! |  | | |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:33 - Nov 9 with 699 views | Ryorry |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:19 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
"Not so, please don't throw babies out with the bathwater - that's also spreading unhelpful misinfomation"
Wow. It wasn't entirely serious for starters but that's a totally out of proportion response. Misinformation! You need to get some perspective if that's what you call "misinformation" given everything we see in the world on a daily basis.
SB [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 15:25]
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You said apparently perfectly seriously "One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group."
Tens of thousands of people get sound support and good information from facebook groups every day. Like all else on social media, it depends how they're used and who you follow. Absolutely sick of it being completely rubbished on here on a regular basis, because doing that is to perpetuate misinformation unhelpfully, yes.
Issues of privacy with fb are certainly a concern & mean I'm now more careful & use it less, but that's a different argument. | |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:36 - Nov 9 with 692 views | hype313 |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:29 - Nov 9 by factual_blue |
You were within 42,907. An acceptable margin of error.
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Standard if you work in the Civil Service. | |
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| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:39 - Nov 9 with 683 views | StokieBlue |
| The Pfizer Covid vaccine looks very promising on 15:33 - Nov 9 by Ryorry |
You said apparently perfectly seriously "One could take it further and say it's folly to be in any FB group."
Tens of thousands of people get sound support and good information from facebook groups every day. Like all else on social media, it depends how they're used and who you follow. Absolutely sick of it being completely rubbished on here on a regular basis, because doing that is to perpetuate misinformation unhelpfully, yes.
Issues of privacy with fb are certainly a concern & mean I'm now more careful & use it less, but that's a different argument. |
I think you've read what you wanted to read and then flown off the deep end. In no way was it "misinformation".
I certainly don't want an argument about it.
Enjoy your day.
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