| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... 09:35 - Nov 13 with 4317 views | Dubtractor |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:33 - Nov 13 with 1191 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:58 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You know why he brought in those two don't you? As my mate said to me before they came in - we're so far adrift, who's going to want to come here?
We were sadly left with the dregs. Your anger should be more directed at Hurst, albeit he's not here now to direct it at. He's the one who fecked us up. Some people seem to have forgotten that. |
Its a shame the club can't come out and show everyone the damage the guy did.
How to rip a club apart in months.. would be a top selling book. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 13:04 - Nov 13 with 1168 views | PhilTWTD |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:09 - Nov 13 by Dubtractor |
Hadn't seen the original story on here tbf - odd that the EADT are running effectively the same story a week later? |
Hadn't realised that it had been run today. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 13:36 - Nov 13 with 1139 views | PJH |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:09 - Nov 13 by Dubtractor |
Hadn't seen the original story on here tbf - odd that the EADT are running effectively the same story a week later? |
Yes, they are not usually that quick. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:02 - Nov 13 with 1116 views | jayessess |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:33 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Its a shame the club can't come out and show everyone the damage the guy did.
How to rip a club apart in months.. would be a top selling book. |
This is the thing I don't get. Lambert gets a pass for the relegation season on the grounds that Hurst was the most destructive manager in history and decimated the club so much in one Summer and 13 games that it was impossible to stave off relegation. Fine.
But after 33 games and one transfer window, Lambert's Ipswich weren't even slightly better. We were taking the same points per game as before. If Hurst was so bad at all aspects of management - recruitment, coaching, tactics, motivation - surely Lambert should've been able to improve things just a little? |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:10 - Nov 13 with 1104 views | PJH |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:02 - Nov 13 by jayessess |
This is the thing I don't get. Lambert gets a pass for the relegation season on the grounds that Hurst was the most destructive manager in history and decimated the club so much in one Summer and 13 games that it was impossible to stave off relegation. Fine.
But after 33 games and one transfer window, Lambert's Ipswich weren't even slightly better. We were taking the same points per game as before. If Hurst was so bad at all aspects of management - recruitment, coaching, tactics, motivation - surely Lambert should've been able to improve things just a little? |
Lambert, or anyone else, should have been able to improve things a lot.
We were in a bad way in October 2018 but nobody gets relegated in October (or promoted) and we were certainly not beyond saving. | | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:11 - Nov 13 with 1101 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 12:25 - Nov 13 by FrimleyBlue |
That at the time magilton had a solid enough side to work with and bring players into.
.we already had alan Lee too.
Much more than Lambert had at his disposal. |
We will have to agree to disagree. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:25 - Nov 13 with 1087 views | SouperJim |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 13:04 - Nov 13 by PhilTWTD |
Hadn't realised that it had been run today. |
Phil, am I right in thinking that Evans had a lot of direct input in installing 4-3-3 as way of playing throughout the club? I'm sure there were rumblings along these lines during lockdown.
If so, it does smack a little bit of the grand plan Lambert now has, has only come about because the owner told him to do it. Which, given the owner has about as much footballing expertise as a someone who has absolutely no footballing expertise, does paint a less than flattering picture of Lambert. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:28 - Nov 13 with 1076 views | PhilTWTD |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:25 - Nov 13 by SouperJim |
Phil, am I right in thinking that Evans had a lot of direct input in installing 4-3-3 as way of playing throughout the club? I'm sure there were rumblings along these lines during lockdown.
If so, it does smack a little bit of the grand plan Lambert now has, has only come about because the owner told him to do it. Which, given the owner has about as much footballing expertise as a someone who has absolutely no footballing expertise, does paint a less than flattering picture of Lambert. |
Think the owner certainly had some input into the decision to use a settled system and line-up. | | | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:30 - Nov 13 with 1067 views | footers |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:28 - Nov 13 by PhilTWTD |
Think the owner certainly had some input into the decision to use a settled system and line-up. |
#LambertOut
#EvansIn |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:35 - Nov 13 with 1057 views | Beckets |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:28 - Nov 13 by PhilTWTD |
Think the owner certainly had some input into the decision to use a settled system and line-up. |
That clearly suggests a lack of confidence in the manager uttered say a dozen games or less after he signed a 5 year contract. Doesn’t reflect well on Evans decision making either. Like the blind leading the blind. |  | | |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:42 - Nov 13 with 1048 views | Dyland |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 10:46 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You may well be right but football fans don't have the patience to wait for it to come together, as you'll see from the rabid Lambert-out posts on here.
I've said many times it would take a long time to fix this club, but people aren't interested. They want immediate results. |
And as has been addressed countless times, many don't think Lambert is capable of fixing it, given five minutes, five years or five fackin decades. You rate him. I don't really get that, based on following Town closely for time immemorial, but fair enough opinions vary. However, don't equate the "rabid Lambert-out" posts with those wanting "immediate results". That is a nonsense. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:43 - Nov 13 with 1027 views | jayessess |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:35 - Nov 13 by Beckets |
That clearly suggests a lack of confidence in the manager uttered say a dozen games or less after he signed a 5 year contract. Doesn’t reflect well on Evans decision making either. Like the blind leading the blind. |
It's astonishing to me that as an owner, you would keep a manager in post in that situation. Apart from anything else Lambert is very expensive, why not hire someone cheaper if you've so little respect for his expertise? | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:45 - Nov 13 with 1026 views | itfcjoe |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:25 - Nov 13 by SouperJim |
Phil, am I right in thinking that Evans had a lot of direct input in installing 4-3-3 as way of playing throughout the club? I'm sure there were rumblings along these lines during lockdown.
If so, it does smack a little bit of the grand plan Lambert now has, has only come about because the owner told him to do it. Which, given the owner has about as much footballing expertise as a someone who has absolutely no footballing expertise, does paint a less than flattering picture of Lambert. |
I think it was more the lack of rotation and staying consistent rather than dictating how to play and anything specific.
Reminding Lambert of what had made him a success previously |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:49 - Nov 13 with 1012 views | jayessess |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:42 - Nov 13 by Dyland |
And as has been addressed countless times, many don't think Lambert is capable of fixing it, given five minutes, five years or five fackin decades. You rate him. I don't really get that, based on following Town closely for time immemorial, but fair enough opinions vary. However, don't equate the "rabid Lambert-out" posts with those wanting "immediate results". That is a nonsense. |
In reality, most successful managerial appointments *do* garner at least some immediate results. I can't think of any manager who has kicked off a stellar managerial stint with 6 months of consistent failure, let alone 2 years.
When a club gets it right with a manager, you tend to see it on the pitch from the coaching, the motivation, the tactics pretty quickly. Most of the "give it time" historic examples (Sir Bobby, Ferguson etc.) aren't about the lack of instant improvement, they're about surviving a dip in performances several years in. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 14:53]
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:11 - Nov 13 with 982 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 11:41 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I haven't said anything about starting the building now. It should be already happening, since Lambert came in. I agree we need to get up this season and if we don't Lambert should be gone.
It's worth remembering other big names have taken longer to get back than this. |
Indeed, and what did those big names do before ultimately getting out of here? |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:16 - Nov 13 with 973 views | jayessess |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:11 - Nov 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Indeed, and what did those big names do before ultimately getting out of here? |
We're in uncharted territory here, I don't think any "big gun" at this level has ever kept a manager after both relegation AND an unsuccessful season in League One. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:36 - Nov 13 with 936 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 14:42 - Nov 13 by Dyland |
And as has been addressed countless times, many don't think Lambert is capable of fixing it, given five minutes, five years or five fackin decades. You rate him. I don't really get that, based on following Town closely for time immemorial, but fair enough opinions vary. However, don't equate the "rabid Lambert-out" posts with those wanting "immediate results". That is a nonsense. |
I don't particularly rate him. I don't think I've seen enough to judge either way. I think comparatively, the Lambert-outers want immediate results by virtue of the fact they wanted him gone really early (IMO). I think the job is much bigger and longer than that (though that's not to say Lambert is the man for it or that there are no other obstacles, such as Evans himself).
Feel free to disagree but don't get angry and call it nonsense. It's just my opinion and it has logic to it. I'm not suggesting the moon in made of suits and potatoes. |  |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:39 - Nov 13 with 932 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:11 - Nov 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Indeed, and what did those big names do before ultimately getting out of here? |
Not have Evans in charge? | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:49 - Nov 13 with 919 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:39 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not have Evans in charge? |
No, in a lot of cases they had far worse
Try again | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:57 - Nov 13 with 906 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:49 - Nov 13 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No, in a lot of cases they had far worse
Try again |
I'd rather not. I'm ill and I've got better things to do than dance with you. | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:59 - Nov 13 with 909 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:57 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'd rather not. I'm ill and I've got better things to do than dance with you. |
Hope you feel better soon | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:09 - Nov 13 with 896 views | Dyland |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 15:36 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't particularly rate him. I don't think I've seen enough to judge either way. I think comparatively, the Lambert-outers want immediate results by virtue of the fact they wanted him gone really early (IMO). I think the job is much bigger and longer than that (though that's not to say Lambert is the man for it or that there are no other obstacles, such as Evans himself).
Feel free to disagree but don't get angry and call it nonsense. It's just my opinion and it has logic to it. I'm not suggesting the moon in made of suits and potatoes. |
I think comparatively, the Lambert-outers want immediate results by virtue of the fact they wanted him gone really early (IMO).
As far as I could tell the vast majority gave him slack in the relegation season, and up to November/December last year. If that is your idea of "really early" fine, but most are going to disagree with that interpretation.
Feel free to disagree but don't get angry and call it nonsense.
LOL. Calling it nonsense doesn't mean I'm angry. Why would I be angry about this!
It's just my opinion and it has logic to it. I'm not suggesting the moon in made of suits and potatoes.
What a silly straw man :) | |
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:19 - Nov 13 with 889 views | Herbivore |
It's one of the few things left in his play book, talk up how bad things were when he came in as a means to deflect from the terrible job he did when he came in. Mick inherited a team adrift at the bottom of the league, a squad packed full of loanees and mercenaries, a few about to draw their pensions. Rather than telling everyone how awful it was he got about organising the team to actually get results and ended up keeping us up comfortably. He made a few low budget signings, loans and freebies, along the way. Lambert could have done similar but he's not capable of doing so.
Yes, he inherited a bad situation but he still had a squad that had a spine of Bart, Chambers, and Skuse, all of whom had been pivotal to teams finishing top half in 4 of the previous 5 seasons. Knudsen was a capable Championship player, as was Sears. We had the likes of Downes and Dozzell around, both of whom had been broken in by Mick. Keeping us up would have been hard, sure, but he didn't even manage to improve us or put up anything approaching a fight.
As for last season, it was embarrassing. Not only was he backed to keep the squad largely intact, he was given funds to add to it. We outbid several others to get Norwood in. Garbutt wouldn't have been a cheap loan option either. And we gave ourselves a huge advantage by averaging 2.5 points per game over the first 11 games. We only needed to be bang average for the rest of the season to at least make the top 6 but Lambert couldn't even achieve that.
For those saying it's a long term project, if that's the case we're 2 years into it and don't look any better off for it. If it's a long term project why do we constantly play the likes of Judge and Sears whilst Dobra can't even get on the bench? There's no evidence he's building anything other than his own pension pot, and if you look at his career there's no evidence he's the manager to build for the long term. He's not one to do much in the short term either these days.
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:27 - Nov 13 with 861 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:09 - Nov 13 by Dyland |
I think comparatively, the Lambert-outers want immediate results by virtue of the fact they wanted him gone really early (IMO).
As far as I could tell the vast majority gave him slack in the relegation season, and up to November/December last year. If that is your idea of "really early" fine, but most are going to disagree with that interpretation.
Feel free to disagree but don't get angry and call it nonsense.
LOL. Calling it nonsense doesn't mean I'm angry. Why would I be angry about this!
It's just my opinion and it has logic to it. I'm not suggesting the moon in made of suits and potatoes.
What a silly straw man :) |
Yeah, I do think that's too early given the mess of a club we've become and the size of the job to turn it around. That's what worries me if someone like Dyer comes in. He's not going to turn the club around in a couple of seasons either.
The relegation season wasn't a full season. So if you're saying that plus up to November, you're saying you wouldn't give a manager ONE FULL SEASON?! That's not enough, and I stand by that.
It wasn't just calling it nonsense but your whole post that sounds angry (bemoaning "countless times" and use of "facking").
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| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:57 - Nov 13 with 832 views | Dyland |
| Apparently the club is in a much better place than 2 years ago.... on 16:27 - Nov 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah, I do think that's too early given the mess of a club we've become and the size of the job to turn it around. That's what worries me if someone like Dyer comes in. He's not going to turn the club around in a couple of seasons either.
The relegation season wasn't a full season. So if you're saying that plus up to November, you're saying you wouldn't give a manager ONE FULL SEASON?! That's not enough, and I stand by that.
It wasn't just calling it nonsense but your whole post that sounds angry (bemoaning "countless times" and use of "facking").
I thought you'd like the analogy at the end |
Exasperated? Maybe. Angry? Nah.
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