| Quote from the Times. 10:55 - Nov 14 with 4193 views | catch74 |
‘They reminisced about Brexit and the general election then gathered their belongings and left.’
Surely ‘reminisced about influencing a large part of the less educated population’ and ‘pulling the wool over a lot of others.’
How on earth could they reminisce, with what’s happening and what’s to come. It’s becoming a habit - Cameron scuttled off. Concerning that Theresa May seems to have been the best of a bad recent bunch. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 18:37 - Nov 16 with 1059 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:23 - Nov 16 by HARRY10 |
"but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches"
shows how little you know about this - affect a troll character by all means, but do get someone to help who understands this
we are being allowed the benefits of paying for membership
ie the single market and the customs union |
So it's like paying for your season ticket and being allowed to watch the matches? To be fair, that does sound like a bit of a rum deal if we are using Towen as the analogy 
I'm not sure how to fit fish into a football club analogy; that probably needs a bit of work. Speaking of which, the fish industry is lobbying the Govt to change their plans for Jan 21 onwards, as the belief is that their proposal as they stand will pretty much kill off the industry. All going swimmingly (pun intended).
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| Quote from the Times. on 18:38 - Nov 16 with 1059 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:23 - Nov 16 by HARRY10 |
"but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches"
shows how little you know about this - affect a troll character by all means, but do get someone to help who understands this
we are being allowed the benefits of paying for membership
ie the single market and the customs union |
This is one of the many mistakes that the back of the fag packet, "we'd be better off under Brexit" Kipper economists made. If you make a deal from a position of strength you get to set the terms. If you make them from a position of weakness you get a very bad deal indeed.
And if you say "Please make a legally binding multilateral agreement with us" to the US and the EU, at the same time as breaking a legally binding multilateral agreement, The Good Friday Agreement, which they brokered, then Joe Biden gets to tell you to "Shut Up, man!"
Inside the EU we were part of the single strongest trading bloc in the world. Outside we are desperate. Everyone knows that and will make sure that they get any deal on their terms. |  | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:49 - Nov 16 with 1042 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:23 - Nov 16 by HARRY10 |
"but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches"
shows how little you know about this - affect a troll character by all means, but do get someone to help who understands this
we are being allowed the benefits of paying for membership
ie the single market and the customs union |
Am I the only person who thinks that paying into an organisation which has maintained good relationships between the nations of Europe for 65 years, and got us the best deals with other nations around the world, is a good deal?
How much did we pay to be part of this system which works to ensure standards of goods and services are adhered to, and that corruption and grift are banished form public life? And how much did this Goverment pay for faulty PPE which didn't adhere to standards, from firms with close links to decision makers? I'd rather have the "unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" watching over food and health equipment standards, and Public Service procurement, because they are good at it. And not Boris' Government, because they are a right shower who are utterly unable to do their homework on time and who look like they want to buy everything from their mates, at mates rates. | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:56 - Nov 16 with 1033 views | Ryorry |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:12 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
The difference being that Johnson was the "loveable buffoon", with the public profile from having been Mayor of London, darling of the local constituency parties. While he has some following, Gove does not have that appeal. He didn't even make it through to the final two in the last leadership election. |
"Gove does not have that appeal" -
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| Quote from the Times. on 19:10 - Nov 16 with 1018 views | HARRY10 |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:49 - Nov 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Am I the only person who thinks that paying into an organisation which has maintained good relationships between the nations of Europe for 65 years, and got us the best deals with other nations around the world, is a good deal?
How much did we pay to be part of this system which works to ensure standards of goods and services are adhered to, and that corruption and grift are banished form public life? And how much did this Goverment pay for faulty PPE which didn't adhere to standards, from firms with close links to decision makers? I'd rather have the "unelected bureaucrats in Brussels" watching over food and health equipment standards, and Public Service procurement, because they are good at it. And not Boris' Government, because they are a right shower who are utterly unable to do their homework on time and who look like they want to buy everything from their mates, at mates rates. |
That is because you are looking at it rationally, and presume others do the same
They don't.......................................... as we have seen | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 19:22 - Nov 16 with 1003 views | DanTheMan |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:37 - Nov 16 by Swansea_Blue |
So it's like paying for your season ticket and being allowed to watch the matches? To be fair, that does sound like a bit of a rum deal if we are using Towen as the analogy
I'm not sure how to fit fish into a football club analogy; that probably needs a bit of work. Speaking of which, the fish industry is lobbying the Govt to change their plans for Jan 21 onwards, as the belief is that their proposal as they stand will pretty much kill off the industry. All going swimmingly (pun intended).
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I find it very hard to find sympathy for them when they voted overwhelming for it. What on earth did they think was going to happen? |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 23:20 - Nov 16 with 954 views | Ryorry |
| Quote from the Times. on 01:41 - Nov 15 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You're not very good at this.
We already have left the EU. You should know that. We are coming to the end of a transitional period of one year in which we still trade tariff-free with the EU.
The infrastructure at the UK ports which would be required in the event of a No Deal exit has not been put in place. Less than 50 days to go now.
The huge lorry Park in Kent (which will be required because of the queues caused by the checks necessary to preserve our border's integrity in the event of No Deal) has been built on a flood plan and is currently flooded. It would be needed at full operating capacity in January. Let's hope the weather is good!
The queues at ports *may* jeopardise the importation of Corona Virus vaccines, which are likely to be very time and temperature sensitive. This is too important to mess up, both in Public Health terms and for the economy.
If you re-read my post you will see that the first thing I said should be included in the statement is to re-affirm that we have left the EU. So all your stuff about being a bad loser just highlights your lack of attention to detail and poor comprehension. Maybe you already serve in the Cabinet?
Finally, the Referendum asked a question about leaving the European Union. It didn't say anything about leaving the EEC, the economic community. We have left the EU already. That happened at New Year, ushering in 2020, a fitting foreshadow for the year to come.
So your "win" in your jingoistic Referendum has been carried out. We have left the EU. Having done so, we now need to find a way to relate economically with European nations. A year ago Boris promised us that he had a deal all worked out and ready to go. An oven-ready deal. He hasn't delivered it because he never had one. He lied.
So:
with the possibility of Biden vetoing any deal with the US if we renege on The Good Friday Agreement (and more importantly, the near certainty of a resumption of terrorism if security infrastructure is built on the Irish border)
with only 50 days to go until we face tariffs on trade with Europe...
with the prospect of huge disruption to essential supplies at ports as infrastructure hasn't been completed, systems haven't been implemented, and the official guide for hauliers having been delayed again after being originally due months ago...
with the risk of Covid vaccines (and other life-saving medicines and treatments) being held up at ports as a result of the disruption...
...please excuse me for being a concerned citizen and wanting a pragmatic solution.
This isn't about who "won" the poxy Referendum, your Blue passport or Boris Johnson's Union Jack boxer shorts any more. This is about a catastrophic act of self-harm being carried out by an incompetent and corrupt Government.
We have left the EU. But we don't *have to* trade on No Deal terms with Europe. There was no mandate for that at the Referendum (many Leave politicians are on record as saying the opposite during that campaign) and there is no mandate for it now, as Boris Johnson promised an oven ready deal in last year's General Election campaign, not a No Deal exit.
However, because of Covid, Governments have had other things on their minds and negotiators haven't been able to meet. Neither side is fully prepared for a No Deal scenario. Nobody wins through it. So best to roll over the withdrawal period to allow a deal to be done, or proper preparations for No Deal to be put in place, rather than trying to improvise a system at the same time as moving millions of units of time and temperature sensitive vaccine. [Post edited 15 Nov 2020 1:46]
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| Quote from the Times. on 23:59 - Nov 16 with 946 views | Ryorry |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:54 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Oh dear, did you really post all this at 1:41 in the morning!! - remember anger hurts the vessel it is poured from, more than the vessel it is poured into.
Now these posts have suggested that it is the least educated among us that voted for Brexit and expletives have been used by you against politicians with whose views you disagree.
I fully expect that there will be a certain disruption to various movements of goods throughout Europe and other minor irritations as well.
To suggest though that Vaccines may be delayed because of Brexit is pure ignorance and scaremongering.
All I ask is for you all to show more respect to those whose views you disagree with and accept that I will revisit this post in a few months time and when no vaccines have been delayed because of Brexit and terrorism has not returned to Ireland your apology might, just might be accepted.
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"expletives have been used by you against politicians with whose views you disagree."
Please highlight where in his post Arnold did that, because I can't see a single one.
Unless you mean "Boris in his Union Jack Boxer shorts"? Seriously? How do you regard the following comments then?
"tank-topped bumboys"
"piccaninnies with watermelon smiles"
"Just pat her on the bottom and send her away" (2005, as editor of 'The Spectator' about its female publisher who he was neither a relative nor personal friend of)
"absolutely ridiculous" that "people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes".
All comments from Boris Johnson. Your defending him, and your blank rejection without any supporting evidence or counter argument to Arnold Moorhen's numerous points (which collectively are the strongest, most coherent argument that it was in the UK's best interests to remain in the EU, and that there should now be an extension to the transition period that I've seen anywhere) just show you up as uninformed, wilfully entrenched & silly, I'm afraid. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 02:08 - Nov 17 with 936 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 17:57 - Nov 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Well done on doing some reading about the transition period. I'm glad that you have learned something as a result of our exchanges.
The whole "my dear boy", "old boy" and "young man" thing is a bit weird. You're trying to affect some kind of status and social superiority when you have in fact revealed yourself to be utterly ill-informed about this subject.
So, bearing in mind that we are about to leave with "No Deal", how would you propose to implement a border for customs and immigration on the border between Eire and Northern Ireland without breaking the terms of The Good Friday Agreement?
I'm waiting for your solution because at the moment all we have are vague statements that it will be alright from you. Under 50 days to go and it looks like we might be about to ruin our relationship with the new US President before he is even sworn in.
Boris desperately needs a solution, please tell him yours. |
"The whole "my dear boy", "old boy" and "young man" thing is a bit weird. "
It's been a go-to faux style for some time on here by clueless idiots who, like you say, hope it helps carry some credibility.
They don't seem to realise how stupid it comes across. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 02:57 - Nov 17 with 927 views | SpruceMoose |
| Quote from the Times. on 02:08 - Nov 17 by jeera |
"The whole "my dear boy", "old boy" and "young man" thing is a bit weird. "
It's been a go-to faux style for some time on here by clueless idiots who, like you say, hope it helps carry some credibility.
They don't seem to realise how stupid it comes across. |
It's the dull witted and unsophisticated man's idea of what intelligent sophistication sounds like.
It's the human equivalent of a dog learning to walk on hind legs or a seal learning to clap. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Quote from the Times. on 03:06 - Nov 17 with 921 views | SpruceMoose |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:27 - Nov 15 by BlueBadger |
Remind us again what your 'prize' for winning is? |
Like I've said numerous times of late, the most vociferous supporters for things such as Brexit and MAGA are those who have tied their entire identity to it.
We can only speculate as to why they might have done this, but personally I feel it's down to the idea that for just once in their lives they wanted to taste victory and success, a kind of political goal hanging and glory hunting if you will.
Sad, frustrated, confused as to why life is harder and less fulfilling than it should be, and completely misidentifying the real reasons for those hardships, these people lashed out in the only way they could - by provoking and upsetting other people. In time they found that they enjoyed this so much that cutting off their own noses to spite their face became a small price to pay for the buzz of foolishly thinking they'd got one over on others.
What the prize for victory would be was as irrelevant to them as the cost other people would have to pay for their win. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 3:08]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Quote from the Times. on 07:06 - Nov 17 with 868 views | gordon |
| Quote from the Times. on 19:22 - Nov 16 by DanTheMan |
I find it very hard to find sympathy for them when they voted overwhelming for it. What on earth did they think was going to happen? |
The fishing thing is hilarious.
We're going to lose billions to get 'control over our waters' back from the EU, and then sell those fishing rights to EU boats because we can't export fish anymore or man the boats with all our new tariffs and immigration rules.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. |  | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 07:54 - Nov 17 with 841 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 07:06 - Nov 17 by gordon |
The fishing thing is hilarious.
We're going to lose billions to get 'control over our waters' back from the EU, and then sell those fishing rights to EU boats because we can't export fish anymore or man the boats with all our new tariffs and immigration rules.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. |
Peak Brexit. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 08:21 - Nov 17 with 817 views | Plums |
| Quote from the Times. on 07:06 - Nov 17 by gordon |
The fishing thing is hilarious.
We're going to lose billions to get 'control over our waters' back from the EU, and then sell those fishing rights to EU boats because we can't export fish anymore or man the boats with all our new tariffs and immigration rules.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. |
You missed the bit about then having to import the fish we do want to eat at inflated prices because of our idiot tariffs. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 8:21]
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| Quote from the Times. on 08:43 - Nov 17 with 804 views | hype313 |
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| Quote from the Times. on 08:47 - Nov 17 with 800 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 08:43 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
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The proportion of absolute feckwits is gradually getting smaller, but still worryingly high. Even JRM thought there needed to be a second referendum on the deal to leave, though that was before his side won of course. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 09:20 - Nov 17 with 776 views | gordon |
| Quote from the Times. on 08:43 - Nov 17 by hype313 |
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It was barking mad, and it's always been barking mad. Only ever possible due to that awful streak of English exceptionalism & hubris. | | | |
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