| Quote from the Times. 10:55 - Nov 14 with 4196 views | catch74 |
‘They reminisced about Brexit and the general election then gathered their belongings and left.’
Surely ‘reminisced about influencing a large part of the less educated population’ and ‘pulling the wool over a lot of others.’
How on earth could they reminisce, with what’s happening and what’s to come. It’s becoming a habit - Cameron scuttled off. Concerning that Theresa May seems to have been the best of a bad recent bunch. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 21:19 - Nov 14 with 1062 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 21:17 - Nov 14 by gardins01 |
Are you mad. Another 12 months of taking rubbish. Do a deal now or agree that's it. |
"Do a deal now or agree that's it."
It's probably a bit more complex than that. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 21:21 - Nov 14 with 1062 views | catch74 |
Dave U - love to hear your thoughts on the matter. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:30 - Nov 14 with 1045 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 21:21 - Nov 14 by catch74 |
Dave U - love to hear your thoughts on the matter. |
That account has only ever been used for down-voting.
Not a single post.
It's an existing user who likes to remain anonymous with some grotty views probably. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:31 - Nov 14 with 1043 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Quote from the Times. on 21:19 - Nov 14 by jeera |
"Do a deal now or agree that's it."
It's probably a bit more complex than that. |
To be fair, to rabid Brexiteers it never was. One told me after the vote that they thought they would vote leave, the day after we would have left and that would be that.
The best argument against democracy is to hold a conversation with the average voter. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:32 - Nov 14 with 1042 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:31 - Nov 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
To be fair, to rabid Brexiteers it never was. One told me after the vote that they thought they would vote leave, the day after we would have left and that would be that.
The best argument against democracy is to hold a conversation with the average voter. |
There's no doubt about that. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:34 - Nov 14 with 1038 views | catch74 |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:30 - Nov 14 by jeera |
That account has only ever been used for down-voting.
Not a single post.
It's an existing user who likes to remain anonymous with some grotty views probably. |
That’s actually worse than Bluefish. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:44 - Nov 14 with 1032 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:34 - Nov 14 by catch74 |
That’s actually worse than Bluefish. |
It actually is. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 with 1025 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:41 - Nov 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The best thing that can happen right now is for the EU and the UK Government to issue a statement making it very clear that the UK has left the EU, but because of the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic it has both been impossible to conclude a deal this year, and also it is unwise for the safety, security and prosperity of all parties for the UK to exit without a deal. Therefore the one year withdrawal period is to be extended for another year.
And if Peter Bone or Bill Cash start wittering about about being rule takers it is agreed that the whole nation shall shout in unison, "Oh shut the fck up you colossal bellend."
That is what should happen. Anything else is dangerous, ideologicallly driven nonsense. |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |  | | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 22:46 - Nov 14 with 1031 views | jeera |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |
That there is anyone still out there referring to this as some competition is embarrassing frankly. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 23:04 - Nov 14 with 1000 views | catch74 |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:46 - Nov 14 by jeera |
That there is anyone still out there referring to this as some competition is embarrassing frankly. |
To think he could compare something that affects our whole lives, is so important on so many levels - to politics, just appalling. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 23:07 - Nov 14 with 990 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:46 - Nov 14 by jeera |
That there is anyone still out there referring to this as some competition is embarrassing frankly. |
Who mentioned competition old boy - certainly not me. I am just saying that the best way to change things is to get out and do it. Politics is open to all of any persuasion, the same with football management - just do it. | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 01:41 - Nov 15 with 978 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |
You're not very good at this.
We already have left the EU. You should know that. We are coming to the end of a transitional period of one year in which we still trade tariff-free with the EU.
The infrastructure at the UK ports which would be required in the event of a No Deal exit has not been put in place. Less than 50 days to go now.
The huge lorry Park in Kent (which will be required because of the queues caused by the checks necessary to preserve our border's integrity in the event of No Deal) has been built on a flood plan and is currently flooded. It would be needed at full operating capacity in January. Let's hope the weather is good!
The queues at ports *may* jeopardise the importation of Corona Virus vaccines, which are likely to be very time and temperature sensitive. This is too important to mess up, both in Public Health terms and for the economy.
If you re-read my post you will see that the first thing I said should be included in the statement is to re-affirm that we have left the EU. So all your stuff about being a bad loser just highlights your lack of attention to detail and poor comprehension. Maybe you already serve in the Cabinet?
Finally, the Referendum asked a question about leaving the European Union. It didn't say anything about leaving the EEC, the economic community. We have left the EU already. That happened at New Year, ushering in 2020, a fitting foreshadow for the year to come.
So your "win" in your jingoistic Referendum has been carried out. We have left the EU. Having done so, we now need to find a way to relate economically with European nations. A year ago Boris promised us that he had a deal all worked out and ready to go. An oven-ready deal. He hasn't delivered it because he never had one. He lied.
So:
with the possibility of Biden vetoing any deal with the US if we renege on The Good Friday Agreement (and more importantly, the near certainty of a resumption of terrorism if security infrastructure is built on the Irish border)
with only 50 days to go until we face tariffs on trade with Europe...
with the prospect of huge disruption to essential supplies at ports as infrastructure hasn't been completed, systems haven't been implemented, and the official guide for hauliers having been delayed again after being originally due months ago...
with the risk of Covid vaccines (and other life-saving medicines and treatments) being held up at ports as a result of the disruption...
...please excuse me for being a concerned citizen and wanting a pragmatic solution.
This isn't about who "won" the poxy Referendum, your Blue passport or Boris Johnson's Union Jack boxer shorts any more. This is about a catastrophic act of self-harm being carried out by an incompetent and corrupt Government.
We have left the EU. But we don't *have to* trade on No Deal terms with Europe. There was no mandate for that at the Referendum (many Leave politicians are on record as saying the opposite during that campaign) and there is no mandate for it now, as Boris Johnson promised an oven ready deal in last year's General Election campaign, not a No Deal exit.
However, because of Covid, Governments have had other things on their minds and negotiators haven't been able to meet. Neither side is fully prepared for a No Deal scenario. Nobody wins through it. So best to roll over the withdrawal period to allow a deal to be done, or proper preparations for No Deal to be put in place, rather than trying to improvise a system at the same time as moving millions of units of time and temperature sensitive vaccine. [Post edited 15 Nov 2020 1:46]
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| Quote from the Times. on 08:34 - Nov 15 with 922 views | gordon |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |
We left the EU on 31st January 2020. |  | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 09:36 - Nov 15 with 885 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 08:34 - Nov 15 by gordon |
We left the EU on 31st January 2020. |
One of the great ironies of Brexit is that those who most vocally support it seem to understand it the least. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 09:53 - Nov 15 with 870 views | m14_blue |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:54 - Nov 15 with 837 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Quote from the Times. on 01:41 - Nov 15 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You're not very good at this.
We already have left the EU. You should know that. We are coming to the end of a transitional period of one year in which we still trade tariff-free with the EU.
The infrastructure at the UK ports which would be required in the event of a No Deal exit has not been put in place. Less than 50 days to go now.
The huge lorry Park in Kent (which will be required because of the queues caused by the checks necessary to preserve our border's integrity in the event of No Deal) has been built on a flood plan and is currently flooded. It would be needed at full operating capacity in January. Let's hope the weather is good!
The queues at ports *may* jeopardise the importation of Corona Virus vaccines, which are likely to be very time and temperature sensitive. This is too important to mess up, both in Public Health terms and for the economy.
If you re-read my post you will see that the first thing I said should be included in the statement is to re-affirm that we have left the EU. So all your stuff about being a bad loser just highlights your lack of attention to detail and poor comprehension. Maybe you already serve in the Cabinet?
Finally, the Referendum asked a question about leaving the European Union. It didn't say anything about leaving the EEC, the economic community. We have left the EU already. That happened at New Year, ushering in 2020, a fitting foreshadow for the year to come.
So your "win" in your jingoistic Referendum has been carried out. We have left the EU. Having done so, we now need to find a way to relate economically with European nations. A year ago Boris promised us that he had a deal all worked out and ready to go. An oven-ready deal. He hasn't delivered it because he never had one. He lied.
So:
with the possibility of Biden vetoing any deal with the US if we renege on The Good Friday Agreement (and more importantly, the near certainty of a resumption of terrorism if security infrastructure is built on the Irish border)
with only 50 days to go until we face tariffs on trade with Europe...
with the prospect of huge disruption to essential supplies at ports as infrastructure hasn't been completed, systems haven't been implemented, and the official guide for hauliers having been delayed again after being originally due months ago...
with the risk of Covid vaccines (and other life-saving medicines and treatments) being held up at ports as a result of the disruption...
...please excuse me for being a concerned citizen and wanting a pragmatic solution.
This isn't about who "won" the poxy Referendum, your Blue passport or Boris Johnson's Union Jack boxer shorts any more. This is about a catastrophic act of self-harm being carried out by an incompetent and corrupt Government.
We have left the EU. But we don't *have to* trade on No Deal terms with Europe. There was no mandate for that at the Referendum (many Leave politicians are on record as saying the opposite during that campaign) and there is no mandate for it now, as Boris Johnson promised an oven ready deal in last year's General Election campaign, not a No Deal exit.
However, because of Covid, Governments have had other things on their minds and negotiators haven't been able to meet. Neither side is fully prepared for a No Deal scenario. Nobody wins through it. So best to roll over the withdrawal period to allow a deal to be done, or proper preparations for No Deal to be put in place, rather than trying to improvise a system at the same time as moving millions of units of time and temperature sensitive vaccine. [Post edited 15 Nov 2020 1:46]
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Oh dear, did you really post all this at 1:41 in the morning!! - remember anger hurts the vessel it is poured from, more than the vessel it is poured into.
Now these posts have suggested that it is the least educated among us that voted for Brexit and expletives have been used by you against politicians with whose views you disagree.
I fully expect that there will be a certain disruption to various movements of goods throughout Europe and other minor irritations as well.
To suggest though that Vaccines may be delayed because of Brexit is pure ignorance and scaremongering.
All I ask is for you all to show more respect to those whose views you disagree with and accept that I will revisit this post in a few months time and when no vaccines have been delayed because of Brexit and terrorism has not returned to Ireland your apology might, just might be accepted.
Enjoy the rest of Sunday | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:08 - Nov 15 with 802 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:54 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Oh dear, did you really post all this at 1:41 in the morning!! - remember anger hurts the vessel it is poured from, more than the vessel it is poured into.
Now these posts have suggested that it is the least educated among us that voted for Brexit and expletives have been used by you against politicians with whose views you disagree.
I fully expect that there will be a certain disruption to various movements of goods throughout Europe and other minor irritations as well.
To suggest though that Vaccines may be delayed because of Brexit is pure ignorance and scaremongering.
All I ask is for you all to show more respect to those whose views you disagree with and accept that I will revisit this post in a few months time and when no vaccines have been delayed because of Brexit and terrorism has not returned to Ireland your apology might, just might be accepted.
Enjoy the rest of Sunday |
Yes, I did. You mistake exclamatory swearing used in a joke for anger. I stopped being angry a long time ago and have accepted that we have left the EU, which I am sad about.
You are welcome to revisit this thread in a few months time. It will still say that you thought we don't leave the EU until 31st December 2020.
It's hard to take you seriously when you know so little about the subject, can't tell us what the Deal is (because no one can because there isn't one) and glibly assert that a No Deal Brexit won't cause delays to vaccines or other important medical supplies (in spite of warnings about this from industry experts prior to the pandemic and with no progress made on finding a solution) and that a No Deal Brexit won't lead to a return to violence in Northern Ireland.
IF, and it's a big if as the Government may yet see sense and change course, the British Government breaks The Good Friday Agreement, and especially if that entails the rebuilding of border checkpoints on the island of Ireland then there will be a resumption of terrorism in Northern Ireland. A good faith binding agreement brokered by the USA, EU and Canada, and signed by the UK and Irish Governments, which led to a formal peace process entered into by paramilitaries on both sides, will have been unilaterally broken. We will have welched on our commitments.
And if the UK Government breaks The Good Friday Agreement then Joe Biden has said the USA won't make a trade deal with the UK.
I don't think all Brexiters are stupid. I don't think you are stupid. You've demonstrated in this thread that you are ignorant of even basic facts around this issue, though.
I think Brexit is stupid, and a No Deal Brexit a massive act of self-harm that is avoidable and unnecessary and will leave us having damaged our two most important trading and diplomatic relationships and alliances, with the EU and USA.
Is that what you voted for?
Under 50 days to find a solution. I've given mine. What's yours? | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:27 - Nov 15 with 794 views | BlueBadger |
| Quote from the Times. on 22:45 - Nov 14 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Remainers and 50% of TWTD followers have one thing in common; they are very bad losers and are convinced that their way is the only way. We are leaving the EU on the 31st December 2020 and Ipswich Town have lost three games are both facts. May I suggest you move on and support your country in its hour of need and support ITFC in its endeavor to win promotion. If you can not do either, may I suggest you move into politics to try and move things your way, take the step ladder to football management or accept that you have too much time on your hands. |
Remind us again what your 'prize' for winning is? |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 15:38 - Nov 15 with 772 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:08 - Nov 15 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Yes, I did. You mistake exclamatory swearing used in a joke for anger. I stopped being angry a long time ago and have accepted that we have left the EU, which I am sad about.
You are welcome to revisit this thread in a few months time. It will still say that you thought we don't leave the EU until 31st December 2020.
It's hard to take you seriously when you know so little about the subject, can't tell us what the Deal is (because no one can because there isn't one) and glibly assert that a No Deal Brexit won't cause delays to vaccines or other important medical supplies (in spite of warnings about this from industry experts prior to the pandemic and with no progress made on finding a solution) and that a No Deal Brexit won't lead to a return to violence in Northern Ireland.
IF, and it's a big if as the Government may yet see sense and change course, the British Government breaks The Good Friday Agreement, and especially if that entails the rebuilding of border checkpoints on the island of Ireland then there will be a resumption of terrorism in Northern Ireland. A good faith binding agreement brokered by the USA, EU and Canada, and signed by the UK and Irish Governments, which led to a formal peace process entered into by paramilitaries on both sides, will have been unilaterally broken. We will have welched on our commitments.
And if the UK Government breaks The Good Friday Agreement then Joe Biden has said the USA won't make a trade deal with the UK.
I don't think all Brexiters are stupid. I don't think you are stupid. You've demonstrated in this thread that you are ignorant of even basic facts around this issue, though.
I think Brexit is stupid, and a No Deal Brexit a massive act of self-harm that is avoidable and unnecessary and will leave us having damaged our two most important trading and diplomatic relationships and alliances, with the EU and USA.
Is that what you voted for?
Under 50 days to find a solution. I've given mine. What's yours? |
My dear boy; We are continuing to pay into the EU just the same as if we were a member throughout the transition period and indeed I believe up to March 2021, and the EU continues to hold powers in relation to the legal system throughout this period also.
It is a bit like leaving your wife but still under the same roof at the moment.
You might belief we have left - I will wait until the transition period is finally over before accepting closure.
Must go, my turn to cook Sunday Lunch... | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 17:43 - Nov 15 with 747 views | catch74 |
| Quote from the Times. on 15:38 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
My dear boy; We are continuing to pay into the EU just the same as if we were a member throughout the transition period and indeed I believe up to March 2021, and the EU continues to hold powers in relation to the legal system throughout this period also.
It is a bit like leaving your wife but still under the same roof at the moment.
You might belief we have left - I will wait until the transition period is finally over before accepting closure.
Must go, my turn to cook Sunday Lunch... |
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| Quote from the Times. on 17:58 - Nov 15 with 742 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 15:38 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
My dear boy; We are continuing to pay into the EU just the same as if we were a member throughout the transition period and indeed I believe up to March 2021, and the EU continues to hold powers in relation to the legal system throughout this period also.
It is a bit like leaving your wife but still under the same roof at the moment.
You might belief we have left - I will wait until the transition period is finally over before accepting closure.
Must go, my turn to cook Sunday Lunch... |
That we have left is not a belief, it's an act of international law. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 18:17 - Nov 15 with 732 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Quote from the Times. on 17:58 - Nov 15 by Herbivore |
That we have left is not a belief, it's an act of international law. |
Left we supposedly have old boy, but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches (Bit like it is now!!)
Whichever way you might like to describe it, we are still paying for and legally bound by the European Union.; you can quote international law all you wish.
Have an enjoyable evening... | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:20 - Nov 15 with 731 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:17 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Left we supposedly have old boy, but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches (Bit like it is now!!)
Whichever way you might like to describe it, we are still paying for and legally bound by the European Union.; you can quote international law all you wish.
Have an enjoyable evening... |
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| Quote from the Times. on 17:57 - Nov 16 with 648 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 15:38 - Nov 15 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
My dear boy; We are continuing to pay into the EU just the same as if we were a member throughout the transition period and indeed I believe up to March 2021, and the EU continues to hold powers in relation to the legal system throughout this period also.
It is a bit like leaving your wife but still under the same roof at the moment.
You might belief we have left - I will wait until the transition period is finally over before accepting closure.
Must go, my turn to cook Sunday Lunch... |
Well done on doing some reading about the transition period. I'm glad that you have learned something as a result of our exchanges.
The whole "my dear boy", "old boy" and "young man" thing is a bit weird. You're trying to affect some kind of status and social superiority when you have in fact revealed yourself to be utterly ill-informed about this subject.
So, bearing in mind that we are about to leave with "No Deal", how would you propose to implement a border for customs and immigration on the border between Eire and Northern Ireland without breaking the terms of The Good Friday Agreement?
I'm waiting for your solution because at the moment all we have are vague statements that it will be alright from you. Under 50 days to go and it looks like we might be about to ruin our relationship with the new US President before he is even sworn in.
Boris desperately needs a solution, please tell him yours. | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 18:23 - Nov 16 with 637 views | HARRY10 |
| Quote from the Times. on 17:57 - Nov 16 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Well done on doing some reading about the transition period. I'm glad that you have learned something as a result of our exchanges.
The whole "my dear boy", "old boy" and "young man" thing is a bit weird. You're trying to affect some kind of status and social superiority when you have in fact revealed yourself to be utterly ill-informed about this subject.
So, bearing in mind that we are about to leave with "No Deal", how would you propose to implement a border for customs and immigration on the border between Eire and Northern Ireland without breaking the terms of The Good Friday Agreement?
I'm waiting for your solution because at the moment all we have are vague statements that it will be alright from you. Under 50 days to go and it looks like we might be about to ruin our relationship with the new US President before he is even sworn in.
Boris desperately needs a solution, please tell him yours. |
"but still paying annual membership and abiding by the club rules. It's like you paying for your season ticket but not being allowed to watch the matches"
shows how little you know about this - affect a troll character by all means, but do get someone to help who understands this
we are being allowed the benefits of paying for membership
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