| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval 12:07 - Nov 16 with 2806 views | StokieBlue |
Results from phase 3 (although looks like a smaller phase 3) are slightly better than the Pfizer vaccine (94%) and it's based on a similar mRDA process. It can be stored at much higher temperatures than the Pfizer vaccine which is great, however the cost is a lot higher - perhaps as much as 15x higher.
Still, good to see progress being made on multiple difference vaccine candidates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-al
On side-effects:
"The company said it had found no significant safety concerns, with most reactions being mild to moderate and short-lived. Among the side effects reported were injection site pain in 2.7% of trial volunteers after the first jab. After the second, the most significant side effects included fatigue in 9.7%, muscle pain in 9% and joint pain in 5%. Others had headaches, other pains, or redness at the injection site."
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:20 - Nov 16 with 720 views | homer_123 |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:18 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
I've not said they should be mandatory.
I've said that if people think they are risky but are willing to accept the benefits of herd immunity by allowing others to take that risk then perhaps they shouldn't get all the benefits of the "risk" taken by others. It's an inherently selfish position and I think we have probably all had enough of selfish positions as well as anti-vaxxers.
They are still free not to have it, they just won't be able to do some things but that is their choice. It's really not that much different to going travelling, there are a number of countries that won't let you in if you haven't had specific vaccines and you don't have the certificate to prove it:
https://practio.co.uk/travel-health/articles/vaccination-certificate
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SB - didn't mean to imply you were suggesting mandatory vaccines.
My post was more of a continuation of my previous. |  |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:22 - Nov 16 with 718 views | homer_123 |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:17 - Nov 16 by SpruceMoose |
Genuine question - Are they not already mandatory in some circumstances within in the UK then? In order to to move over here I had to have a whole host of vaccines. Just wondered whether there were any situations back home where it's already mandatory (certain jobs, travel, schooling etc.) |
Quite possibly for 'some' jobs Moosey.
Certainly for the general public I don't think any are mandatory at the moment. Though as Elderly posted, there are situations where you need to have vaccines before you can do stuff (which is what SB has posted as well), which I have no issue with at all. | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 15:49 - Nov 16 with 665 views | BlueBadger |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 13:22 - Nov 16 by hype313 |
Yep, although I doubt it will be made mandatory, but want to go on holiday? Glastonbury? Large sporting events? then you might need the Covid passport... |
Never mind points-based immigration, this is an 'Australian system' we should adopt. It's been practice for years over there that, for example, unvaccinated children cannot attend daycare or nurseries. [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 16:32]
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 16:03 - Nov 16 with 648 views | BlueBadger |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 12:14 - Nov 16 by homer_123 |
Saw a good quote on Vaccines last night, to paraphrase:
"Vaccines are so good now, all you see are the side effects."
Also, I saw someone mention the fact that, next to clean water, vaccines are the second biggest reason the general health and longevity of life has improved and increased so much in recent years. |
Yes, but one of my cousin's wife's dog trainer's best friends was once killed by a piano falling from the sky 17 days later she had her jab, so there's that to consider. | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 16:26 - Nov 16 with 629 views | BlueBadger |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 13:50 - Nov 16 by ElderGrizzly |
Right now, cost effectiveness shouldn't be the argument. The cost to the economy and to lives will far outweigh £10 or £45. |
Walking across the threshold of A&E and receiving the most minimal treatment possible costs the NHS £45 on average..
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/audio-video/key-facts-figures-nhs | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 16:42 - Nov 16 with 616 views | bluelagos |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:05 - Nov 16 by jaykay |
i am 100% for the use of vaccines but would we have to have a card or something to prove we have had it, so to fly, attend any public gathering etc |
So many countries in the tropics currently require to see a yellow fever certificate before you can enter. Others, like Aus, require it if you have visited tropical areas in the previous 2 weeks.
Is about the size of a passport, cardboard outer with just 3 or 4 pages and is basically a stamped record of where/when you were vaccinated (Think car service stamp).
Upon arrival, in immigration you are then asked to present it and they can refuse you entry if you don't have it. I was once quarantined in Australia because I'd forgotten mine - fortunately at the time this meant I was on notice to report to a doctor if I got any symptoms rather than the more constrained quarantines of today.
I think if they introduced it - you'd not even be able to get on a plane without producing a similar document. |  |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 17:04 - Nov 16 with 599 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 14:11 - Nov 16 by homer_123 |
Vaccination is possibly one the most selfless things you can do - as you are inherently making the world a safer place for others by vaccinating yourself.
That said, stepping back from the anti-vaxxer situation - surely a healthy debate about making vaccines mandatory is sensible and necessary. Just purely because it's both foreseen and unforeseen circumstance around such decisions can have ramifications well beyond their intended means.
I'm definitely for vaccines - no question or quibble. They've made such a positive difference in the world and the evidence for that is both clear and well outweighs any risks associated with them.
I'm merely voicing that making them mandatory, for some reason, makes me nervous (not the vaccine but the potential ramifications of what that means and where it goes). [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 14:13]
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You can't make them mandatory, in the sense of strapping people to a trolley and injecting them forceably, but you just make the benefits of vaccination greater. A vaccine smart card giving you access to events and being a requirement for flying would be sufficient.
As I think I put it on another thread "If EasyJet and Ryanair made it a requirement to travel then everyone would soon be all elbows pushing to the front like it was the baggage reclaim at Alicante airport." |  | | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 17:05 - Nov 16 with 595 views | TractorWood |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 16:42 - Nov 16 by bluelagos |
So many countries in the tropics currently require to see a yellow fever certificate before you can enter. Others, like Aus, require it if you have visited tropical areas in the previous 2 weeks.
Is about the size of a passport, cardboard outer with just 3 or 4 pages and is basically a stamped record of where/when you were vaccinated (Think car service stamp).
Upon arrival, in immigration you are then asked to present it and they can refuse you entry if you don't have it. I was once quarantined in Australia because I'd forgotten mine - fortunately at the time this meant I was on notice to report to a doctor if I got any symptoms rather than the more constrained quarantines of today.
I think if they introduced it - you'd not even be able to get on a plane without producing a similar document. |
Hopefully it's digital. Paper and long distance flying don't really go that well. |  |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 17:07 - Nov 16 with 587 views | bluelagos |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 17:05 - Nov 16 by TractorWood |
Hopefully it's digital. Paper and long distance flying don't really go that well. |
To be fair I simply stapled mine to my passport after that and never lost it. The only real issue was when I changed passport and Nigerian immigration didn't appreciate the different passport number on the yellow fever cert, meaning I had to carry 2 passports. | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 18:21 - Nov 16 with 536 views | Sarge |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 13:20 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
Yes but there could certainly be an argument from restricting unvaccinated people from large gatherings (football, indoors in pubs etc) and from international travel.
It perhaps seems draconian and totalitarian but in the end, those refusing to get vaccinated because of a perceived but totally unproven risk based on false equivalences to historic events are expecting other people to take the risks for them so they can get the benefit.
Perhaps they shouldn't get the benefit if they are willing to outsource all the "risk" to others.
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The problem is you won’t be able to distinguish why people are unvaccinated. For example I don’t expect to get vaccinated anytime soon if ever because I’m at the very bottom of the priority list and by that time, it’ll be largely pointless. Herd immunity would have built up and my chances of contracting it will have reduced to near nil and my chances of serious illness would remain at nil. Of course I’d take it if/when offered though.
Instead I propose a man made, incredibly deadly virus is manufactured along with an accompanying vaccine. The vaccine is offered first and then the virus released. Anti-vaxxers gone, job done. | | | |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 18:37 - Nov 16 with 525 views | homer_123 |
Worth pointing out that vaccines are generally the most cost-effective medicinal approach as well. In the short, medium and long term.
The cost outlay to vaccine a nation is minuscule to the cost to the NHS for the care of the sick coupled with the negative effect on the economy. | |
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| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 18:39 - Nov 16 with 519 views | eireblue |
| Moderna vaccine seeking FDA approval on 16:03 - Nov 16 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but one of my cousin's wife's dog trainer's best friends was once killed by a piano falling from the sky 17 days later she had her jab, so there's that to consider. |
Yours as well, hmmm troubling.
Slightly different, pipe fitter, acquaintance, bus, 12 days, but I think we can see the pattern. |  | | |
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