| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... 08:55 - Nov 18 with 7731 views | itfcjoe |
.....this focus on it re Covid is getting too much.
Talk of a 5 day period where inter house mixing is allowed, because if it is a full week the virus will spread too quickly.
Can we not just do what we need to do to get back to normal(ish) ASAP. I'd rather forgo a normal Xmas if it means we can get back earlier after, than have 5 days of normality which pushes us back a month on the numbers |  |
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| This is a very specific personal situation..... on 13:00 - Nov 18 with 1172 views | SpruceMoose |
| This is a very specific personal situation..... on 12:55 - Nov 18 by 26_Paz |
Not 100% sure yet as I haven’t actually spoken to them about it but would assume so ... |
Might want to clarify that if you're going to hold it up as an example of doing the right thing.
Also might want to consider some kind of self isolation in the period running up to Christmas. You know, protect the people you care about and all that. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:00 - Nov 18 with 1165 views | 26_Paz |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 12:58 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
Why don't you engage your brain and come up with a couple of reasons why international travel during a pandemic might not be the very best thing you can do?
On a side note, now that you're heroically all about following government advice, should the government say you should stay at home and not see family this Christmas (as I will be doing), you'll be extremely keen to follow that advice right?
You wouldn't want people to think that you only follow advice when it suits, would you? |
As I’ve already stated I will be going to my parents. That is regardless of what the government say. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:03 - Nov 18 with 1160 views | SpruceMoose |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 12:55 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Because being safe and legal isn't always a function of what is scientifically sensible but actually a function of what is publicly palatable.
It was clearly a daft idea to go anywhere during a pandemic. Just because the governments of the world were too soft to implement such measures that doesn't make it right.
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I was only obeying orders!
Following government advice was only ever an excuse for some people to do what they wanted to do anyway.
We have also seen how well people follow government advice that prevents them from doing what they want to do.
We will see how they act should the government advice be "stay away from family at Christmas".
Edit: Paz could not have helped me prove my point better than he has with his post above. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 13:07]
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:04 - Nov 18 with 1157 views | SpruceMoose |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:00 - Nov 18 by 26_Paz |
As I’ve already stated I will be going to my parents. That is regardless of what the government say. |
So you only follow government advice when it suits then. Like I've been saying all along.
Rather undermines your argument that you're free of criticism because you were following government advice. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 13:05]
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:10 - Nov 18 with 1131 views | 26_Paz |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:04 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
So you only follow government advice when it suits then. Like I've been saying all along.
Rather undermines your argument that you're free of criticism because you were following government advice. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 13:05]
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Only in this instance. Point holds regarding travel. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:14 - Nov 18 with 1125 views | SpruceMoose |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:10 - Nov 18 by 26_Paz |
Only in this instance. Point holds regarding travel. |
Right... Very convincing Paz. Very convincing.
It's really no more complicated than this. There are some people who think that their circumstances are special, that the rules don't really apply to them. Rather than put up with a bit of inconvenience they invent all kinds of contradictory justifications for doing whatever they like. Combine that with a massive lack of concern and empathy for the vulnerable people in their community they don't know and well...
Nice work. Second wave ahoy. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:18 - Nov 18 with 1108 views | 26_Paz |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:14 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
Right... Very convincing Paz. Very convincing.
It's really no more complicated than this. There are some people who think that their circumstances are special, that the rules don't really apply to them. Rather than put up with a bit of inconvenience they invent all kinds of contradictory justifications for doing whatever they like. Combine that with a massive lack of concern and empathy for the vulnerable people in their community they don't know and well...
Nice work. Second wave ahoy. |
I have been very compliant thus far; however I’m just pointing out that if you tell people they have to stay at home on their own on a Christmas Day that is a very tough sell and many people (myself included) would more than likely look to stretch that rule a little ... [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 13:18]
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:21 - Nov 18 with 1105 views | SpruceMoose |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:18 - Nov 18 by 26_Paz |
I have been very compliant thus far; however I’m just pointing out that if you tell people they have to stay at home on their own on a Christmas Day that is a very tough sell and many people (myself included) would more than likely look to stretch that rule a little ... [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 13:18]
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Given everything you've told us about yourself, I don't believe you.
Anyway, everytime you reply to my post you back up my points. So... Thanks? | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:22 - Nov 18 with 1092 views | 26_Paz |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:21 - Nov 18 by SpruceMoose |
Given everything you've told us about yourself, I don't believe you.
Anyway, everytime you reply to my post you back up my points. So... Thanks? |
Believe what you want. I simply do not care. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:23 - Nov 18 with 1095 views | SpruceMoose |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 13:22 - Nov 18 by 26_Paz |
Believe what you want. I simply do not care. |
Oh, I believe that you don't care about anyone else.
That part is extremely believable. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 14:40 - Nov 18 with 1054 views | bluelagos |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 10:29 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
China cancelled new year in 2020 and that's the largest cultural festival in the world and massive deal for everyone there.
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Not sure you are right on that point. Chinese NY was Jan 25th and I know it is thought much of the inittial spread was caused when Chinese students/workers returned from their NY trips home to China.
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https://www.dw.com/en/china-cancels-lunar-new-year-events-over-deadly-virus-fear
Just found this - not sure it's fair to say they cancelled Chinese NY, but yeah they clearly did make some significant changes to their NY activities. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:49]
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 14:49 - Nov 18 with 1041 views | StokieBlue |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 14:40 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
Not sure you are right on that point. Chinese NY was Jan 25th and I know it is thought much of the inittial spread was caused when Chinese students/workers returned from their NY trips home to China.
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https://www.dw.com/en/china-cancels-lunar-new-year-events-over-deadly-virus-fear
Just found this - not sure it's fair to say they cancelled Chinese NY, but yeah they clearly did make some significant changes to their NY activities. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 14:49]
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It seems my recollection is off but they certainly cancelled large events across the whole country and had 40m people under lockdown in Hubei where CNY was definitely cancelled:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/24/china/virus-lunar-new-year-intl-hnk-scli/inde
Bear in mind that for those 40m people CNY was cancelled when they had 26 deaths in total. There were 450 deaths in the UK just yesterday.
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 14:51 - Nov 18 with 1033 views | bluelagos |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 14:49 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
It seems my recollection is off but they certainly cancelled large events across the whole country and had 40m people under lockdown in Hubei where CNY was definitely cancelled:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/24/china/virus-lunar-new-year-intl-hnk-scli/inde
Bear in mind that for those 40m people CNY was cancelled when they had 26 deaths in total. There were 450 deaths in the UK just yesterday.
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Yeah - not sure if you read my edit - before posting! | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 21:08 - Nov 18 with 969 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 10:28 - Nov 18 by ElderGrizzly |
They are thinking of a nationwide rule around Christmas, irrespective of Tiers. 2 days was being discussed yesterday, with a maximum of 10 people from 2 households.
What people probably don't realise is after December 2nd, we are likely to see local restrictions in some areas more strict than the national lockdown with schools etc closing too.
But I agree with you Joe, setting the country back in terms of supressing the virus for the sake of 48 hours does seem ridiculous. But Boris wants to be the saviour of Christmas and that will be the political spin applied |
Confirmation of what I was talking about earlier. Tougher restrictions, a Christmas respite, then back into lockdown you go
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/18/england-told-to-expect-tougher-cov |  | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 21:23 - Nov 18 with 956 views | Ace_High1 |
Madness, should not be allowed to happen but will for the cheap political point scoring.
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 22:44 - Nov 18 with 924 views | itfcjoe |
A correction from Gov earlier saying that for every day out of it at Xmas there will be 5 days lockdown, so 5 days at Xmas is 25 days lockdown! | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 23:13 - Nov 18 with 911 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 22:44 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
A correction from Gov earlier saying that for every day out of it at Xmas there will be 5 days lockdown, so 5 days at Xmas is 25 days lockdown! |
That’s the SAGE advice. Johnson has ignored them every step of the way so far, so expect him to do the same again.
Fully expect any lifting to be 2 to 3 days max. (Christmas eve through Boxing Day) and the lifting is still going to be very limited based on initial discussions. Limits on numbers in households etc will still apply. | | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 02:28 - Nov 19 with 862 views | textbackup |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:26 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
Surely your choice of destination would play a part? I chose not to go on a planned holiday to Spain and instead went to an area of Germany with lower rates of CV than the UK.
Others on here opted for Greek or Spanish islands with lower rates.
Blanket labelling of everyone who took an overseas holiday as selfish or irresponsible doesnt sit well. Appreciate people may be anxious but keeping perspective would be handy :-) |
will never understand why anyone went away this year personally. surely just sitting this year out and taking one for the team wouldn't have hurt. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:27 - Nov 19 with 795 views | portmanking |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 02:28 - Nov 19 by textbackup |
will never understand why anyone went away this year personally. surely just sitting this year out and taking one for the team wouldn't have hurt. |
That was precisely what I meant on the first page. Even those travelling to areas of low rates were always likely to play a part in the potential for transmitting the virus INTO these areas too.
A summer restricted to the UK would have hardly required a wartime effort surely? |  | | |
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