| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... 08:55 - Nov 18 with 7727 views | itfcjoe |
.....this focus on it re Covid is getting too much.
Talk of a 5 day period where inter house mixing is allowed, because if it is a full week the virus will spread too quickly.
Can we not just do what we need to do to get back to normal(ish) ASAP. I'd rather forgo a normal Xmas if it means we can get back earlier after, than have 5 days of normality which pushes us back a month on the numbers |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:56 - Nov 18 with 2160 views | homer_123 |
I'm the same Joe. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:57 - Nov 18 with 2152 views | portmanking |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:56 - Nov 18 by homer_123 |
I'm the same Joe. |
I'd be surprised if the majority wasn't the same. Everyone knows this Christmas is a write-off already, so why try and bend the rules to such an extent that it f*cks the early part of 2021?! |  | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:57 - Nov 18 with 2136 views | Bluefish |
Agreed but you just know that a large chunk of the population will ignore it regardless
And they definitely all voted leave. We have been conditioned to think the population can be as destructive as they like but it will be ok because we used to have a big empire |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:03 - Nov 18 with 2121 views | Steve_M |
Well, quite. If that means I spend Christmas on my own without seeing family then so be it, I'll have to see them at some other time. Christmas travel always sees the once a year travellers all over the place too.
The current case figures demonstrate that the current restrictions - limited as they are - were too late for much of the country. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:06 - Nov 18 with 2099 views | bluelagos |
I cant see them going all in for a free for all over xmas. But allowing upto 6 from a couple of households would still be significantly different to normal xmases, far lower levels of contacts yet allowing much needed social interactions.
I'd be amazed if pubs and restuarants are open pre xmas.
We are social animals and many people have had little social interactions with family members this year. The ongoing inability for many to socialise will and does cause huge amounts of mental health issues for those who are isolated.
The decision will be a judgement call and there are many very good reasons to relax the rules as well as many good reasons to keep them tight. Anyone who thinks it is an easy or simple decision isn't fully understanding the issues imho. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:07 - Nov 18 with 2112 views | Guthrum |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:57 - Nov 18 by portmanking |
I'd be surprised if the majority wasn't the same. Everyone knows this Christmas is a write-off already, so why try and bend the rules to such an extent that it f*cks the early part of 2021?! |
There are a large number of people who don't care, will do what they want. There is a strong suggestion that this present increase was sparked by people going on holiday to Spain in August and bringing back a new strain. Why did they insist on doing that during a pandemic? |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:08 - Nov 18 with 2095 views | factual_blue |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:07 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
There are a large number of people who don't care, will do what they want. There is a strong suggestion that this present increase was sparked by people going on holiday to Spain in August and bringing back a new strain. Why did they insist on doing that during a pandemic? |
Those pesky leave voters.... |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:10 - Nov 18 with 2084 views | homer_123 |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:07 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
There are a large number of people who don't care, will do what they want. There is a strong suggestion that this present increase was sparked by people going on holiday to Spain in August and bringing back a new strain. Why did they insist on doing that during a pandemic? |
Not interested in anything other than themselves? | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:15 - Nov 18 with 2067 views | portmanking |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:07 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
There are a large number of people who don't care, will do what they want. There is a strong suggestion that this present increase was sparked by people going on holiday to Spain in August and bringing back a new strain. Why did they insist on doing that during a pandemic? |
I totally agree re. overseas holidaying this summer. Although I was legally permitted to do so, for me and my family it was a moral decision not to go and enjoy a staycation instead. | | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:16 - Nov 18 with 2059 views | Keno |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:07 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
There are a large number of people who don't care, will do what they want. There is a strong suggestion that this present increase was sparked by people going on holiday to Spain in August and bringing back a new strain. Why did they insist on doing that during a pandemic? |
you mean like governmental advisers, MPs etc etc |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:20 - Nov 18 with 2037 views | Guthrum |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:16 - Nov 18 by Keno |
you mean like governmental advisers, MPs etc etc |
Indeed. Sets a marvellous example when they can't keep to their own rules. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:24 - Nov 18 with 2023 views | homer_123 |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:20 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Sets a marvellous example when they can't keep to their own rules. |
Here's the thing...have they ever? | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:24 - Nov 18 with 2022 views | jonbull88 |
Guess the important question is when will it return to something like “normal” and no one knows the answer to that.
There is all this talk of vaccines etc, I am and have always been very skeptical when there is talk of a vaccine. Firstly I’ve wondered if there will be one and then how long it would actually work for. If it works then fantastic, if it’s a once a year job even better, if they can vaccine over 30m a year alongside the flu jab even better.
I however will reserve judgement as it’ll take at least a year to work out how long the effectiveness lasts because the tests atm have only been going a few weeks or months. Then for how they actually plan on making the roll out efficient enough to vaccinate everyone that needs/wants it.
So it could just be this Christmas ruined for families or potentially many, crux of it all no one knows really. | | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:24 - Nov 18 with 2017 views | Ace_High1 |
Amen Joe, complete sense.
For some reason some seem blinded by the "magic of Christmas" and think it will all be ok and worth it for a few days to mix households together because it is Christmas.
Its a write off, forget it and lets get on top of the virus by careful management over winter and then nuke it with vaccines in the spring.
If people want to party, lets do it in the summer - hot weather, euros etc..... summer 2021 put it in your diaries!! |  | | |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:26 - Nov 18 with 2005 views | bluelagos |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:15 - Nov 18 by portmanking |
I totally agree re. overseas holidaying this summer. Although I was legally permitted to do so, for me and my family it was a moral decision not to go and enjoy a staycation instead. |
Surely your choice of destination would play a part? I chose not to go on a planned holiday to Spain and instead went to an area of Germany with lower rates of CV than the UK.
Others on here opted for Greek or Spanish islands with lower rates.
Blanket labelling of everyone who took an overseas holiday as selfish or irresponsible doesnt sit well. Appreciate people may be anxious but keeping perspective would be handy :-) | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:37 - Nov 18 with 1962 views | ipswich78 |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 08:57 - Nov 18 by Bluefish |
Agreed but you just know that a large chunk of the population will ignore it regardless
And they definitely all voted leave. We have been conditioned to think the population can be as destructive as they like but it will be ok because we used to have a big empire |
Sadly I agree with you. Rules or no rules, it's the minority who fu*!s it up for the rest of us. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:37 - Nov 18 with 1964 views | Guthrum |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:26 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
Surely your choice of destination would play a part? I chose not to go on a planned holiday to Spain and instead went to an area of Germany with lower rates of CV than the UK.
Others on here opted for Greek or Spanish islands with lower rates.
Blanket labelling of everyone who took an overseas holiday as selfish or irresponsible doesnt sit well. Appreciate people may be anxious but keeping perspective would be handy :-) |
Thing is, it's not just levels of C-19 which is the problem. There are other mechanisms at work. By travelling to a different country at all (even within Europe), you may pick up a strain not prevelant in your own one, which is then introduced and able to spread.
One of the big failings, for me, in the Covid response has been the unwillingness to go into that kind of detail with the public. If you explain things clearly, people are more likely to understand the reason for restrictions and perhaps then comply with them. | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:40 - Nov 18 with 1951 views | Keno |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:37 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Thing is, it's not just levels of C-19 which is the problem. There are other mechanisms at work. By travelling to a different country at all (even within Europe), you may pick up a strain not prevelant in your own one, which is then introduced and able to spread.
One of the big failings, for me, in the Covid response has been the unwillingness to go into that kind of detail with the public. If you explain things clearly, people are more likely to understand the reason for restrictions and perhaps then comply with them. |
"If you explain things clearly, people are more likely to understand the reason for restrictions and perhaps then comply with them."
have you met "people'? | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:46 - Nov 18 with 1928 views | BlueBadger |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:24 - Nov 18 by homer_123 |
Here's the thing...have they ever? |
They were at least either discrete about it in the past or had the decency to resign when caught.
This lot have neither the brains or decency to do that. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:49 - Nov 18 with 1916 views | TractorWood |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:26 - Nov 18 by bluelagos |
Surely your choice of destination would play a part? I chose not to go on a planned holiday to Spain and instead went to an area of Germany with lower rates of CV than the UK.
Others on here opted for Greek or Spanish islands with lower rates.
Blanket labelling of everyone who took an overseas holiday as selfish or irresponsible doesnt sit well. Appreciate people may be anxious but keeping perspective would be handy :-) |
I don't really buy that. You would have had to go to through airports and maybe other transit with people who could be returning from America, Asia etc. Also the destination may have a different demographic or testing discrepancies that means it appears sensible.
I think UK holiday makers did contribute to the European 2nd wave. You could see the safe destinations close down one by one after everyone headed there. Mainly due to our late lockdown and entirely inadequate test and trace system meaning our community infection rate was ridiculously high. So even if somewhere was safe. After a couple of Ryanair flights, it's not safe again. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 9:50]
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:49 - Nov 18 with 1918 views | hype313 |
Totally agree Joe, our family are all doing our own thing, just don't see why people can't just suck it up for one year with the hope that things will start to resemble some normality March/April time.
I do understand that there are a lot of lonely people who live on their own an that has to be taken into account as the mental health side is hugely key, but for the majority, just enjoy not having the outlaws for once! |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:50 - Nov 18 with 1898 views | bluelagos |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:37 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Thing is, it's not just levels of C-19 which is the problem. There are other mechanisms at work. By travelling to a different country at all (even within Europe), you may pick up a strain not prevelant in your own one, which is then introduced and able to spread.
One of the big failings, for me, in the Covid response has been the unwillingness to go into that kind of detail with the public. If you explain things clearly, people are more likely to understand the reason for restrictions and perhaps then comply with them. |
That is a fair comment. And you will be aware that no one was aware of such details this summer, I know I wasn't. So I think my point stands.
And if there is criticism, surely it should be directed at those who are aware of all the ins and outs and make the rules, not those who follow them.
People who criticise others for actually following the rules,expecting Jo Public to be aware of the ins and outs of epidermical science and transmission are imho, living in cloud cuckoo land.
Sorry to quite so blunt, I'll sign off before I upset anyone! | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:52 - Nov 18 with 1881 views | Bluefish |
| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:49 - Nov 18 by TractorWood |
I don't really buy that. You would have had to go to through airports and maybe other transit with people who could be returning from America, Asia etc. Also the destination may have a different demographic or testing discrepancies that means it appears sensible.
I think UK holiday makers did contribute to the European 2nd wave. You could see the safe destinations close down one by one after everyone headed there. Mainly due to our late lockdown and entirely inadequate test and trace system meaning our community infection rate was ridiculously high. So even if somewhere was safe. After a couple of Ryanair flights, it's not safe again. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 9:50]
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Seems a bit of trying to blame someone and pointing fingers to me. The virus spreads anyone, going to places with low infection rates doesn't change that anymore than not quarantining people travelling here. The whole new strain thing doesn't really make sense either.if it all came from the same place and same strain it has mutated in another country and couldnhave done the same here anyway | |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:53 - Nov 18 with 1885 views | clive_baker |
Mad innit.
If the science / data supports loosening of the lockdown then great, Christmas or otherwise. It does all feel a little forced though, and the nature of it is particularly dangerous given it'll be youths out of school & uni etc mixing with elderly family members. Feels like a recipe for disaster to be honest. |  |
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| Whilst I want a normal Christmas..... on 09:53 - Nov 18 with 1881 views | Mookamoo |
I can't see why we don't just postpone the actual Christian celebrations until Easter.
It's only December the 25th to trample over Saturnalia and Mythras. |  | | |
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