| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? 11:07 - Nov 18 with 9951 views | Steve_M |
Anyway, right decision from Starmer. Labour needs to demonstrate that it's complaints procedures are robust and yesterday failed at that regardless of the verdict reached. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 23:09 - Nov 18 with 835 views | Ryorry |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 19:35 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
Your stupid attempts to pin this on Starmer when it is Corbyn at fault every step of the wat |
I think what we've all been overlooking is that Corbyn is a closet ITFC fan and a member of TWTD with the username Darth Koont!  |  |
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| It will be nice to have.... on 23:22 - Nov 18 with 805 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| It will be nice to have.... on 21:55 - Nov 18 by GlasgowBlue |
But do you still want proof that Jews are not over represented in the media, politics and world banking institutions? |
Please if you have it. |  |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 23:33 - Nov 18 with 788 views | Ryorry |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 19:43 - Nov 18 by Darth_Koont |
Starmer’s responsibility as leader, remember.
But more seriously, I’ve explained why Starmer was stupid and provocative to parrot a line from the exact same smear campaign he’s trying to whitewash. If you’d actually been following this with any real depth you’d see that.
Then Starmer really compounded the error by suspending Corbyn for an entirely truthful if ill-timed response to it.
You don’t agree but then again you’d never admit to the smear campaign either so it doesn’t matter to me what you think. |
"Then Starmer really compounded the error by suspending Corbyn for an entirely truthful if ill-timed response to it."
In his refusal to at that time offer a whole-hearted apology, instead coming out with carping about the detail which in that context was trivial, JC demonstrated his failure to grasp the bigger picture, show at least a semblance of political nous, understand what was needed to achieve a bit of healing for the good of the party and the country. That was actually a microcosm of how he was never a statesman, just a poor, inept leader. You show the same failure as him to grasp the bigger picture, instead wasting your time and energy on trying to resuscitate the past, which was shown not to work. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 23:34]
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| It will be nice to have.... on 09:22 - Nov 19 with 713 views | m14_blue |
| It will be nice to have.... on 21:51 - Nov 18 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The (northern) working class have been taken forgranted and, policy wise, ignored for decades and then along came flag waving, lazy politics, easily swallowed Nige offering fields of wheat. That was all to do with New Labour...remember that woman who accosted Brown?
Remember the money tree stuff!.
I have stated many times that I have no truck with the statist left nor Corbyn as a personality so no problem with your final paragraph however I am long enough in the tooth to know that anybody offering a genuine alternative will be slaughtered one way or another by the powers that be.
Edit...Brexit brought down the red wall not Corbyn. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 21:53]
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If Brexit alone brought down the red wall then that's far more on Corbyn than it is on New Labour?
Anyway, all I can tell you is that, as someone who has lived in the red wall in a working class area for decades, Corbyn was a massive issue up here. I would say almost on a par with Brexit, and it was the toxic combination of the two that led to the electoral earthquake.
We might not understand why, and much of it certainly isn't down to JC, but 2020 Britain is much further to the right than many of us on the other side would like to admit. |  | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 09:29 - Nov 19 with 705 views | StokieBlue |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 12:43 - Nov 18 by StokieBlue |
Just reading around this, why was JC jumped to the front of the queue to have his case heard using the old system and panel rather than waiting for the independent process which is being setup like most other cases?
Is it because the was feelings he wouldn't get back in using the independent process or was it just people wanted him back so he got moved up to make it happen quicker?
SB [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 12:44]
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Anyone know the answer to this?
A Labour MP was complaining about it again on the radio this morning. Seems to be annoying quite a lot of people.
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 09:29 - Nov 19 with 704 views | JakeITFC |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 17:53 - Nov 18 by Ryorry |
Excuse me, I'm a life long Labour voter (incl in last year's election) who voted Green in 2017 as a tactical & environmental vote against the standing Tory with his 20K majority because the Lib Dems stood down for the Greens that time. Labour would have been a totally wasted vote.
But hey, you (and momentum) just carry on making judgements about, and putting down, good staunch old Labourites like myself instead of listening to them & Labour candidates' agents who were repeatedly dismissed on the doorstep with old Labourites telling them that they couldn't& wouldn't vote for JC - not because of what they'd read about him, but because of what they didn't see from him - an able, strong leader. That's how the Tories swung all those seats in the N & NE.
I don't want "nuance" from whatever people are spending all their time & energy splitting the labour party by repeatedly trying to resurrect a weak leader who failed repeatedly - what's the point in trying to raise the Titanic to sail again? Fruitless. I want yourself, DK and others still trying to do that to move on & support/help the LP to unify so that the Tories get the boot. There's no goal more important than that, and I find it sad that so many individuals can't put their personal likes aside for the greater good in such a time of need. You can argue about policies and "nuance" once that main goal has been achieved. |
Your argument falls down when it is effectively 'it's fine for me and others to not like one guy, but you're being divisive and letting the tories win by not liking this new guy'.
To me, things like the move to the right, the scapegoating of the previous leadership etc. are probably as unpalatable as the people feeling Corbyn was '[not being] an able, strong leader' in the minds of voters you reference. |  | | |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 12:25 - Nov 19 with 654 views | Ryorry |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 09:29 - Nov 19 by JakeITFC |
Your argument falls down when it is effectively 'it's fine for me and others to not like one guy, but you're being divisive and letting the tories win by not liking this new guy'.
To me, things like the move to the right, the scapegoating of the previous leadership etc. are probably as unpalatable as the people feeling Corbyn was '[not being] an able, strong leader' in the minds of voters you reference. |
That's a fair point, but there's a massive difference - one of those people has been voted out, the other is currently in position - & giving the latter a kicking is divisive and damaging to the main goal of booting the tories out. | |
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| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 17:15 - Nov 19 with 588 views | airliner |
| Do we want a new Corbyn 15 pager today or just to add to yesterday's? on 12:25 - Nov 19 by Ryorry |
That's a fair point, but there's a massive difference - one of those people has been voted out, the other is currently in position - & giving the latter a kicking is divisive and damaging to the main goal of booting the tories out. |
Jeremy corbyn, who cares? A has been and Starmer is in charge. The lefties are finished in the Labour Party , they will never get you elected. Middle centre is what will help, people who try to kill the rich off by over taxation , will never appeal. Except for corbyn supporters , ended. | | | |
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