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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) 11:04 - Nov 19 with 2164 viewsBluefish




Well said


Bound to not be controversial on here at all



Do naughty words count if they are not towards the manager? In fact those were even naughty words, they were just letters

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:09 - Nov 19 with 1203 viewsHerbivore

I wonder what the edit will be? I'd go with:

You scumbag, you maggot,
You're no Elkan Baggott.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:13 - Nov 19 with 1183 viewsBluefish

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:09 - Nov 19 by Herbivore

I wonder what the edit will be? I'd go with:

You scumbag, you maggot,
You're no Elkan Baggott.


Well he has a lot of followers


There is a Michael Owen tweet that says just ran over a rabbit that some people have suggested

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:18 - Nov 19 with 1172 viewsSwansea_Blue

I find the whole thing thoroughly bizarre and struggle to care tbh. Some people whining about the inclusion of the word, yet seemingly not worried about her wishing death on someone. And then other people whining about the people who are whining about the word.

2020 eh. What a time to be alive

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:22 - Nov 19 with 1149 viewsHerbivore

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:18 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue

I find the whole thing thoroughly bizarre and struggle to care tbh. Some people whining about the inclusion of the word, yet seemingly not worried about her wishing death on someone. And then other people whining about the people who are whining about the word.

2020 eh. What a time to be alive


It's a bit of an odd one, the word is in there precisely because it's an offensive word. If it genuinely upsets the gay community then I have no issue with it being removed either, but I do wonder where it all ends.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:34 - Nov 19 with 1115 viewshomer_123

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:22 - Nov 19 by Herbivore

It's a bit of an odd one, the word is in there precisely because it's an offensive word. If it genuinely upsets the gay community then I have no issue with it being removed either, but I do wonder where it all ends.


No one seems remotely bothered that it's an alcoholic and heroine addict having an argument though. Merry Xmas one and all.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:34 - Nov 19 with 1101 viewsHerbivore

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:34 - Nov 19 by homer_123

No one seems remotely bothered that it's an alcoholic and heroine addict having an argument though. Merry Xmas one and all.


Isn't that the true meaning of Christmas?

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:35 - Nov 19 with 1096 viewshomer_123

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:34 - Nov 19 by Herbivore

Isn't that the true meaning of Christmas?


Quite possibly.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:36 - Nov 19 with 1101 viewsLankHenners

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:22 - Nov 19 by Herbivore

It's a bit of an odd one, the word is in there precisely because it's an offensive word. If it genuinely upsets the gay community then I have no issue with it being removed either, but I do wonder where it all ends.


Yeah, the context for its usage is pretty clear in the song, but I get that hearing what is obviously a homophobic slur on the radio would make people uncomfortable, to put it mildly.

As I've seen others point out, the crown for 'most patronising and insensitive lyrics in a Christmas song' firmly belongs to 'Do They Know It's Christmas?' which certainly makes me cringe a bit whenever it comes on the radio.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:37 - Nov 19 with 1089 viewsSwansea_Blue

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:34 - Nov 19 by homer_123

No one seems remotely bothered that it's an alcoholic and heroine addict having an argument though. Merry Xmas one and all.


An alchie and drugs riddled addict wishing death on someone is so 2020 though.

Merry fkn Xmas

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:38 - Nov 19 with 1087 viewsitfcjoe

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:09 - Nov 19 by Herbivore

I wonder what the edit will be? I'd go with:

You scumbag, you maggot,
You're no Elkan Baggott.


There is a version I've heard where it changes to "you're cheap and you're haggered" so guess it will be that sadly rather than the next big thing

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:05 - Nov 19 with 1023 viewsSteve_M

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:36 - Nov 19 by LankHenners

Yeah, the context for its usage is pretty clear in the song, but I get that hearing what is obviously a homophobic slur on the radio would make people uncomfortable, to put it mildly.

As I've seen others point out, the crown for 'most patronising and insensitive lyrics in a Christmas song' firmly belongs to 'Do They Know It's Christmas?' which certainly makes me cringe a bit whenever it comes on the radio.


Well, quite and that's before considering the crimes against music in DTKIC.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:07 - Nov 19 with 1018 viewsBluefish

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:05 - Nov 19 by Steve_M

Well, quite and that's before considering the crimes against music in DTKIC.


Pray for the other ones mate

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:08 - Nov 19 with 1007 viewsHerbivore

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 11:38 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe

There is a version I've heard where it changes to "you're cheap and you're haggered" so guess it will be that sadly rather than the next big thing


I've heard that one too, but rather hoped my suggestion might get some traction.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:17 - Nov 19 with 976 viewsSteve_M

A particularly pertinent point on the manufactured outrage (elsewhere not here) on this:


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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:21 - Nov 19 with 960 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

I’m gonna say it.. the world has gone mad.

It’s a word in a song ffs.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:26 - Nov 19 with 934 viewsHerbivore

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:21 - Nov 19 by The_Romford_Blue

I’m gonna say it.. the world has gone mad.

It’s a word in a song ffs.


Old before your time, Rommers.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:29 - Nov 19 with 933 viewsitfcjoe

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:21 - Nov 19 by The_Romford_Blue

I’m gonna say it.. the world has gone mad.

It’s a word in a song ffs.


It's a word that is now offensive, there is a version of it without that word in it - why not just use that one?

If a Xmas song had the N word in it from years ago you surely wouldn't expect it to go out in the day on the radio?

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:36 - Nov 19 with 905 viewsThe_Romford_Blue

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:29 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe

It's a word that is now offensive, there is a version of it without that word in it - why not just use that one?

If a Xmas song had the N word in it from years ago you surely wouldn't expect it to go out in the day on the radio?


Fair point.

‘Faggot’ was used as an insult in the song though. The context is a deliberate insult to the bloke in the song. To remove the word, when it’s being used as an insult deliberately just seems unnecessary.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:45 - Nov 19 with 877 viewsClapham_Junction

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:36 - Nov 19 by The_Romford_Blue

Fair point.

‘Faggot’ was used as an insult in the song though. The context is a deliberate insult to the bloke in the song. To remove the word, when it’s being used as an insult deliberately just seems unnecessary.


The problem is that the insult in question is an accusation of being gay, the implication being that this is a bad thing. That's what makes it a problem, not the fact that it's a generic insult.
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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:45 - Nov 19 with 873 viewsSwansea_Blue

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:29 - Nov 19 by itfcjoe

It's a word that is now offensive, there is a version of it without that word in it - why not just use that one?

If a Xmas song had the N word in it from years ago you surely wouldn't expect it to go out in the day on the radio?


The pre-watershed version is often used in fairness. Which is why I find it a bit of a strange argument. Fair enough if people in the gay community are genuinely offended though - doesn't hurt anyone to be considerate does it? It's the culture warification of it that I find most depressing I suppose.
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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:52 - Nov 19 with 853 viewsHerbivore

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:45 - Nov 19 by Clapham_Junction

The problem is that the insult in question is an accusation of being gay, the implication being that this is a bad thing. That's what makes it a problem, not the fact that it's a generic insult.


This is true, but in some respects I'd find it more problematic if the song just used the word "gay" as an insult. Faggott is a nasty and offensive word, but is the insult meant to be that he is gay or is she just using a nasty and offensive word? I think it's a bit of a grey area, but have no issue with it being edited if it does cause offence to the gay community.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:54 - Nov 19 with 849 viewsLankHenners

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:36 - Nov 19 by The_Romford_Blue

Fair point.

‘Faggot’ was used as an insult in the song though. The context is a deliberate insult to the bloke in the song. To remove the word, when it’s being used as an insult deliberately just seems unnecessary.


Whilst I think it's a fair argument that the context of its usage justifies its inclusion in the lyrics in the first place, it's another thing to say it should be played out during the day on mainstream radio, where doing so would contravene Ofcom's code of conduct for material which includes derogatory language.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:56 - Nov 19 with 842 viewsLankHenners

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:05 - Nov 19 by Steve_M

Well, quite and that's before considering the crimes against music in DTKIC.


Indeed. If a Christmas song is going to be bad it should be cheesy so people can enjoy it with a big slice of irony, rather than just straight up awful.

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:58 - Nov 19 with 831 viewsSwansea_Blue

What makes this all even worse of course, is that this song is seen as a problem, yet we still have to listen to Noddy Holder non stop each year

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Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 13:02 - Nov 19 with 808 viewsBluefish

Fairytale of New York (contains naughty words) on 12:54 - Nov 19 by LankHenners

Whilst I think it's a fair argument that the context of its usage justifies its inclusion in the lyrics in the first place, it's another thing to say it should be played out during the day on mainstream radio, where doing so would contravene Ofcom's code of conduct for material which includes derogatory language.


A fair argument? It is a horrendous argument

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