| Decided this place is not for me. 18:51 - Nov 19 with 33733 views | solomon |
Thanks to all of you that have been kind, fun and engaging. I really do wish you all the very best for you and your families and those close to you in these uncertain times.
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| I take your point, although..... on 10:06 - Nov 20 with 1125 views | Bloots |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 08:37 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This is a good post Bloots, and I'll be giving it an up arrow. Can I ask, though, that you take your own advice. You've been following me around for months attacking pretty much everything I post and downarrowing even the most innocuous.
Feel free to disagree with stuff and we can discuss it. But in recent times it's seemed personal. |
....it's not quite the same thing, as I'm sure you know.
I've just called you out on your constant arguing and I think I called you a pretentious beardy hipster (or something similar) once.
I made a conscious effort to not engage with you for a number of weeks (as did your nemesis), so I haven't been following you around.
I appreciate that you are a sensitive soul, so I'll stop the downarrowing bantz.
Peace out sister. |  |
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| Decided this place is not for me. on 10:06 - Nov 20 with 1119 views | Ryorry |
| Decided this place is not for me. on 09:29 - Nov 20 by GlasgowBlue |
But earlier in his conversation with you, Solomon said that he felt antisemitism had been allowed to be posted on here unchallenged. You disagreed with him but said that you hoped he’d continue to add to the debate, and his reply was “we will see. It’s 50/50 at the moment” [Post edited 20 Nov 2020 9:33]
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He seemed to completely contradict himself in that post though, and didn't clarify it despite my asking him twice if he could please do so.
On the one hand he said
"Hmmmm on 06:10 - Nov 19 with 1784 views solomon
"To be fair, every time antisemitism is mentioned on here or the issues the of late within political parties, a fringe element have been allowed to deny and rubbish it’s even existed, this should have been dealt with a long time ago."
And on the other he said in the same post
" From what I can see just about everyone on here is united and robust in their rejection of ALL forms of persecution and discrimination (as is the club we all follow) and I have no doubt that no one here is antiSemitic or islamaphobic in any way (regardless of how they may appear in text) or blatantly and outright racist ..."
So firstly he said antisemitism on here was something some posters were in denial about and that that hadn't been dealt with by Admin; then secondly he said he had no doubt that no-one here was antisemitic or overtly racist in any way.
Shame he couldn't or wouldn't clarify, as the whole ensuing argument may have arisen from sheer confusion or misunderstanding. |  |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 10:18 - Nov 20 with 1099 views | Ryorry |
| The glee at which some people.... on 00:35 - Nov 20 by monytowbray |
I still post stuff like that :S |
Well, luckily I haven't seen it 
I did see you unfortunately shoot your argument in the foot again with your wild & incorrect claim that the UK had zero animal welfare standards. You need to be precise and factually correct if you want to win people over - anything less and they won't trust you on other points where you might well be correct. I'm trying to be helpful here btw!
Unfortunately, back in the day, you did more than anyone to put me off veganism for the reasons Newcy outlined plus your nonsensical argument designed to upset people in which you equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because you flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems. Then as now, my reducing it to only eating it 2 or 3 times weekly is despite, not because of you. Sorry! | |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 10:20 - Nov 20 with 1090 views | catch74 |
| The glee at which some people.... on 10:18 - Nov 20 by Ryorry |
Well, luckily I haven't seen it
I did see you unfortunately shoot your argument in the foot again with your wild & incorrect claim that the UK had zero animal welfare standards. You need to be precise and factually correct if you want to win people over - anything less and they won't trust you on other points where you might well be correct. I'm trying to be helpful here btw!
Unfortunately, back in the day, you did more than anyone to put me off veganism for the reasons Newcy outlined plus your nonsensical argument designed to upset people in which you equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because you flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems. Then as now, my reducing it to only eating it 2 or 3 times weekly is despite, not because of you. Sorry! |
I’ve not read the whole thread - how did a pleasant leaving note turn into some er .. beef? |  |
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| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:26 - Nov 20 with 1077 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 08:51 - Nov 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Oh look Dollers you have drawn out another alt account.....welcome 'passion not anger.' |
This is another one who's been following me around not contributing to the debate but trying to provoke an argument with me, while ironically accusing me of starting all the arguments on here.
Weird what people do for kicks. |  |
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| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:31 - Nov 20 with 1063 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 08:59 - Nov 20 by Bluefish |
If you ever fancy giving self reflection a go, go back and count how many times that I have responded to you in the past year but especially in the past couple of months and then count how many times you have replied to me and presumably down arrowed. I think you will be very very shocked. |
Just because you're not responding to me (probably because you've been asked to by Phil yet again) doesn't mean I have to let your words of wisdom go unchallenged. That's how public forums work, anyone can have a go.
If you want to post Gwion Edwards isn't a footballer I reserve the right to say yes he is. It's not necessarily replying to you, it's putting stuff up for others to debate with. | |
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| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:34 - Nov 20 with 1053 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 09:07 - Nov 20 by PassionNotAnger |
Not sure what Alternative account you think I am?
I've openly admitted I support Colchester and joined this site way back after reading for a while when I was moved by a thread raising money for a poorly child (my memory is shocking and I feel guilty for forgetting the details) which I contributed to after joining
Since then I primarily posted about the nasty vindictive man you currently call your manager following some experiences I witnessed and/or heard about when he was at Colchester.
If you think I've previously posted under a different name you are entirely wrong and I'd happily accept any wager or terms you want if you feel you can prove or evidence it any way (you can't)
Just a final point - to the very best of my knowledge I neither know or have met any poster on her so have no "allegiance" to anyone but just seems you have some really questionable posters on here (with "Benters" style views which I deplore) or argumentative idiots (to be honest this thread is pretty much the Hall of fame for that)
Still - you crack and enjoy yourself - personally this thread encapsulates quite brilliantly all that is wrong with TWTD [Post edited 20 Nov 2020 9:09]
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You spend your days looking for rows with me (and probably others if I could be bothered to check) so quit the moral indignation. | |
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| I take your point, although..... on 10:39 - Nov 20 with 1037 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I take your point, although..... on 10:06 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....it's not quite the same thing, as I'm sure you know.
I've just called you out on your constant arguing and I think I called you a pretentious beardy hipster (or something similar) once.
I made a conscious effort to not engage with you for a number of weeks (as did your nemesis), so I haven't been following you around.
I appreciate that you are a sensitive soul, so I'll stop the downarrowing bantz.
Peace out sister. |
"Pretentious beardy hipster" would be admissible under defamation law as 'fair comment.' | |
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| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:40 - Nov 20 with 1034 views | PassionNotAnger |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:34 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You spend your days looking for rows with me (and probably others if I could be bothered to check) so quit the moral indignation. |
Do you actually believe you are an innocent bystander of the arguments on here or do you ever have a moment of self-reflection when you consider that at least some rows you are involved him may have been caused by you?? |  | | |
| Decided this place is not for me. on 10:43 - Nov 20 with 1026 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Decided this place is not for me. on 10:06 - Nov 20 by Ryorry |
He seemed to completely contradict himself in that post though, and didn't clarify it despite my asking him twice if he could please do so.
On the one hand he said
"Hmmmm on 06:10 - Nov 19 with 1784 views solomon
"To be fair, every time antisemitism is mentioned on here or the issues the of late within political parties, a fringe element have been allowed to deny and rubbish it’s even existed, this should have been dealt with a long time ago."
And on the other he said in the same post
" From what I can see just about everyone on here is united and robust in their rejection of ALL forms of persecution and discrimination (as is the club we all follow) and I have no doubt that no one here is antiSemitic or islamaphobic in any way (regardless of how they may appear in text) or blatantly and outright racist ..."
So firstly he said antisemitism on here was something some posters were in denial about and that that hadn't been dealt with by Admin; then secondly he said he had no doubt that no-one here was antisemitic or overtly racist in any way.
Shame he couldn't or wouldn't clarify, as the whole ensuing argument may have arisen from sheer confusion or misunderstanding. |
i think he fell over himself to be offended (and I take the point a certain amount of that offence would be justified if you were a Jew reading these pages) as did several people to defend him. But though I've asked several times, neither he nor anyone else has been able to furnish me with a single post denying antisemitism exists.
He went in too hard, basically, and then couldn't pull back. | |
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| I'm currently sporting a..... on 10:43 - Nov 20 with 1022 views | Bloots |
| I take your point, although..... on 10:39 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Pretentious beardy hipster" would be admissible under defamation law as 'fair comment.' |
....Robert Pires style elongated "soul patch" type arrangement.
It's quite a sight. | |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 10:46 - Nov 20 with 1012 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The glee at which some people.... on 10:18 - Nov 20 by Ryorry |
Well, luckily I haven't seen it
I did see you unfortunately shoot your argument in the foot again with your wild & incorrect claim that the UK had zero animal welfare standards. You need to be precise and factually correct if you want to win people over - anything less and they won't trust you on other points where you might well be correct. I'm trying to be helpful here btw!
Unfortunately, back in the day, you did more than anyone to put me off veganism for the reasons Newcy outlined plus your nonsensical argument designed to upset people in which you equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because you flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems. Then as now, my reducing it to only eating it 2 or 3 times weekly is despite, not because of you. Sorry! |
Can I just say I'm not sure why Callis upsets people, and never have been. I don't find his posting aggressive, and he certainly doesn't put me off veganism. I just think he's passionate about something he believes in. | |
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| There's a post further down somewhere.... on 10:48 - Nov 20 with 1004 views | Bloots |
| Decided this place is not for me. on 10:43 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
i think he fell over himself to be offended (and I take the point a certain amount of that offence would be justified if you were a Jew reading these pages) as did several people to defend him. But though I've asked several times, neither he nor anyone else has been able to furnish me with a single post denying antisemitism exists.
He went in too hard, basically, and then couldn't pull back. |
....where "someone" has said that he might set up an account in the name Abraham and "praise the debate" to see what reaction he gets.
Do you think things like that are acceptable? | |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 10:49 - Nov 20 with 1000 views | Ryorry |
| The glee at which some people.... on 10:46 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Can I just say I'm not sure why Callis upsets people, and never have been. I don't find his posting aggressive, and he certainly doesn't put me off veganism. I just think he's passionate about something he believes in. |
Presumably he didn't aim these kind of comments at you then -
"... equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because (he) flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems." | |
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| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:50 - Nov 20 with 999 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This forum should be for everyone..... on 10:40 - Nov 20 by PassionNotAnger |
Do you actually believe you are an innocent bystander of the arguments on here or do you ever have a moment of self-reflection when you consider that at least some rows you are involved him may have been caused by you?? |
Not really, no. I don't go into any debate with the intention to cause a row. But this weird obsession with me causing rows forgets one thing. You've said, as others have, that I could start a row in an empty room. The truth is, I never have. There is ALWAYS someone else. So why is it always apparently down to me alone?
I defend my position, against someone equally defending theirs, and *I* get accused of rowing.
Also, why are 95% of your recent posts looking to start a row with me, by telling me I start rows? Do you not see the irony here?
I imagine this post will be me accused of arguing! | |
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| I'm currently sporting a..... on 10:51 - Nov 20 with 993 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I'm currently sporting a..... on 10:43 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....Robert Pires style elongated "soul patch" type arrangement.
It's quite a sight. |
Oh dear. | |
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| There's a post further down somewhere.... on 10:52 - Nov 20 with 989 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| There's a post further down somewhere.... on 10:48 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....where "someone" has said that he might set up an account in the name Abraham and "praise the debate" to see what reaction he gets.
Do you think things like that are acceptable? |
I don't understand it if I'm honest. | |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 10:53 - Nov 20 with 985 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The glee at which some people.... on 10:49 - Nov 20 by Ryorry |
Presumably he didn't aim these kind of comments at you then -
"... equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because (he) flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems." |
I don't have a dog, so no. | |
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| I'm currently sporting a..... on 11:15 - Nov 20 with 935 views | Herbivore |
| I'm currently sporting a..... on 10:43 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....Robert Pires style elongated "soul patch" type arrangement.
It's quite a sight. |
Phil, can you banhammer Bloots please? The state of it. |  |
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| I've been banned for less.... on 11:28 - Nov 20 with 905 views | Bloots |
| I'm currently sporting a..... on 11:15 - Nov 20 by Herbivore |
Phil, can you banhammer Bloots please? The state of it. |
....Phil used to pick on me. | |
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| its only cos he fancies you on 11:31 - Nov 20 with 898 views | Keno |
| I've been banned for less.... on 11:28 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....Phil used to pick on me. |
then again who doesnt |  |
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| The glee at which some people.... on 12:25 - Nov 20 with 873 views | monytowbray |
| The glee at which some people.... on 10:18 - Nov 20 by Ryorry |
Well, luckily I haven't seen it
I did see you unfortunately shoot your argument in the foot again with your wild & incorrect claim that the UK had zero animal welfare standards. You need to be precise and factually correct if you want to win people over - anything less and they won't trust you on other points where you might well be correct. I'm trying to be helpful here btw!
Unfortunately, back in the day, you did more than anyone to put me off veganism for the reasons Newcy outlined plus your nonsensical argument designed to upset people in which you equated eating farm animals with eating their pet dogs. Also because you flatly rubbished my need to eat animal protein 2 or 3 times weekly due to health problems. Then as now, my reducing it to only eating it 2 or 3 times weekly is despite, not because of you. Sorry! |
It was more a lazy point around the fact that people who flag about animal cruelty in China in relation to tradition/profit act like we have a sparkling animal welfare track record here. We don’t. There is much evidence of what goes on behind the doors of animal farming and the post I was replying to was from someone who has denied such things over and over.
Granted I could have done a longer and more explanatory post, but the poster in question always ends up saying they don’t care despite the fact they evidently do find the cognitive dissonance bothersome or they wouldn’t still contribute to such discussion topics defending their position.
I really don’t get how people can’t make the connection that perhaps we should apply the compassion we show animals our western tradition has shaped as pets to the ones we see as food. It’s not a radical or “out there” concept, never really was full stop. And the difference now vs 4 years ago from my experience of having these discussions with people considerably more than many posters on here in various aspects of my life is a shift in social consciousness towards our relationship with animal products.
If someone said “BLM annoy me in the way they make their points and it makes me want to be racist” or “XR’s messaging is preachy so I’m going to pollute more” they’d rightly be called an idiot (and they have been on here recently, RIP Hamster). I don’t see the difference in logic.
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| The glee at which some people.... on 12:28 - Nov 20 with 862 views | monytowbray |
| The glee at which some people.... on 08:30 - Nov 20 by NewcyBlue |
No, the way you make your point is aggressive. You post with an enlightened arrogance that puts people off your points.
For veganism I would rather talk with Herbivore, Eireblue, or Swailesy.
Your political points, you do have a point with some of them.
The whole “holding mirrors up” thing is ridiculous.
“Being on the right side of history”, yes mate. Those that are don’t need to shout about it.
That’s what pisses people off.
I genuinely think you’re probably a decent guy, I reckon you’d be a laugh to cook food and play goldeneye with. But I don’t think your posts come across well on here. Which is a real shame. I’ve watched a few documentaries like What the health, Game Changers, Cowspiracy, I reckon you would have some interesting opinions on them. But I can’t be sure that what I will get is a proper chat about them.
During the first lockdown you talked about the possibility of having a mental breakdown. A few of us were quite concerned about you. I certainly didn’t want to see that. It was interesting to hear about the your exercise journey. How’s that going by the way? |
I have conviction in my views and they are based in fact. Countless other posters have backed me on the “mirror” point over the years just by shifting their view.
As with all progressive ideas, one must look into their own place within a system and challenge themselves. Be it institutional or outright bias.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/09/my-beef-with-vegans-says-m | |
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| You make a very good point about how..... on 12:29 - Nov 20 with 859 views | monytowbray |
| You make a very good point about how..... on 09:11 - Nov 20 by Bloots |
....the manner in which people post put others off engaging with them and immediately leads to an aggressive stance when they do.
Whilst Callis is guilty of this, he is definitely not the only one. There's a handful of posters that are the same, and unfortunately they tend to be prolific posters.
The "being on the right side of history" phrase is incredibly condescending.
You are correct that Callis is a decent guy, I've met him a couple of times (he won't remember), he's good fun in real life, but I rarely have any desire to chat with him on here.
Lambert out. |
I remember meeting you. Was an away day, potentially Blackburn at the end of the play off season, I first said hello?
And you are a wonderful person too :) | |
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| Decided this place is not for me. on 12:34 - Nov 20 with 854 views | PhilTWTD |
| Decided this place is not for me. on 09:29 - Nov 20 by GlasgowBlue |
But earlier in his conversation with you, Solomon said that he felt antisemitism had been allowed to be posted on here unchallenged. You disagreed with him but said that you hoped he’d continue to add to the debate, and his reply was “we will see. It’s 50/50 at the moment” [Post edited 20 Nov 2020 9:33]
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The issues he expressed to me privately were more about the tone and mood in general. |  | | |
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