| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: 18:27 - Nov 22 with 5943 views | homer_123 |
Pfizer and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company paid $2.3bn to settle criminal and civil liabilities for illegal promotion of their pharmaceutical products. The amount included payment of more than $102m in civil settlement to six whistleblowers of the company’s fraudulent practices in 2009.
Bextra, an anti-inflammatory drug that was withdrawn from the market in 2005 due to safety concerns, was marketed by the company for various off-label uses. The company also illegally promoted several other drugs, including antipsychotic drug Geodon, antibiotic Zyvox, and anti-epileptic drug Lyrica. Healthcare providers received payments for prescribing these drugs to patients for off-label use.
False claims were submitted to government healthcare programmes, bypassing the insurance programmes. The company had to pay approximately $1bn to Medicare, Medicaid, and other government insurance programmes under the settlement.
EDIT: - I meant to edit last night but got sidetracked. All fair points based on the post as was therefore. Meant to explain why I posted. The reason I posted it was, in the main, me playing devils advocate with myself but out loud via the forum - I guess to see if anyone had these sorts of internal conversations....maybe it's just me!
"Having watched Dark Waters the other night - we shouldn't forget the hands in which we are placing our trust. I do think the vaccines will be good and I do think they will go through rigorous testing but I'm always keen to look at both sides.
There is 'so much' money riding on this for the companies involved in developing and rolling these vaccines out that we can't discount history completely." [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:56]
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 with 1105 views | StokieBlue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:43 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A completely fair point....blind acceptance of all current thinking/science is not. |
Who is blindly accepting it? What is being accepted?
Sometimes the anti-establishment stuff gets rather tiresome because you never really flesh out any of your points. It's always one line which you then say means something else.
Come on DBS, you're a good egg, say what you mean and lets now sow doubt. There is enough rubbish flowing around as it is.
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 with 1101 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:47 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
Will you be taking the vaccine? |
I honestly haven't decided either way yet. I normally get a flu one though but not this year in light of lack of contact with people.
I have been wacking vitamin D & K into me since day 1 too mind you. |  |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:52 - Nov 22 with 1095 views | factual_blue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:38 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
....which bizarrely is where Pfizer sourced their vaccine! |
Novichok is actually made from the contents Halesworth's latrines.
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:53 - Nov 22 with 1092 views | J2BLUE |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I honestly haven't decided either way yet. I normally get a flu one though but not this year in light of lack of contact with people.
I have been wacking vitamin D & K into me since day 1 too mind you. |
No zinc? |  |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:53 - Nov 22 with 1093 views | StokieBlue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I honestly haven't decided either way yet. I normally get a flu one though but not this year in light of lack of contact with people.
I have been wacking vitamin D & K into me since day 1 too mind you. |
Given the flu vaccine is only 60% (at the very, very best) effective it seems a bit more risky to be having something that might not work rather than something which is 95% effective.
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:56 - Nov 22 with 1079 views | jeera |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:43 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A completely fair point....blind acceptance of all current thinking/science is not. |
I'm not sure I understand your point tbh.
I thought the case for mostly eradicating diseases that used to be prominent a sensible one. |  |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:57 - Nov 22 with 1077 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:50 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
What's your point?
Two incidents 15 years ago relating to different medicines and likely different people have no bearing on a newly developed vaccine. It's just used to sow doubt.
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My only point is that you don't know any better than anybody else what unknown consequences may emerge further down the line and I wouldn't belittle anybody for feeling cautious.
And as you know there are far more than just 2 instances...the pelvic mesh being just one more off the top of my head...who would think that scarring rhe fallopian tubes to block them might be problematic! | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:59 - Nov 22 with 1067 views | jeera |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:53 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
No zinc? |
I've been taking moderate zinc and iron this year I have to say.
I also take the odd Vitamin D when I remember this time of year but can't say it's religiously.
I had some deficiency [iron notably despite a decent diet] last year and was quite poorly for some time. | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:00 - Nov 22 with 1066 views | jeera |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:57 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
My only point is that you don't know any better than anybody else what unknown consequences may emerge further down the line and I wouldn't belittle anybody for feeling cautious.
And as you know there are far more than just 2 instances...the pelvic mesh being just one more off the top of my head...who would think that scarring rhe fallopian tubes to block them might be problematic! |
That's not a vaccine.
And if you were wearing it on the top of your head it was bound to cause some problems. [Post edited 22 Nov 2020 22:01]
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:04 - Nov 22 with 1059 views | StokieBlue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:57 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
My only point is that you don't know any better than anybody else what unknown consequences may emerge further down the line and I wouldn't belittle anybody for feeling cautious.
And as you know there are far more than just 2 instances...the pelvic mesh being just one more off the top of my head...who would think that scarring rhe fallopian tubes to block them might be problematic! |
You're equating totally different things though. Why not equate the vaccine to something that has worked brilliantly like the smallpox or polio vaccines?
You're basically outsourcing your perceived risk to others. That doesn't seem to tally with the anarchist communities you promote.
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:05 - Nov 22 with 1054 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Who is blindly accepting it? What is being accepted?
Sometimes the anti-establishment stuff gets rather tiresome because you never really flesh out any of your points. It's always one line which you then say means something else.
Come on DBS, you're a good egg, say what you mean and lets now sow doubt. There is enough rubbish flowing around as it is.
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Well you are blindly accepting that it will all be fine because you are told so whereas I accept that I have not the slightest idea and will have to decide accordingly. Or if you don't blindly accept it then they way you and others round on those that express grounds for caution suggests you do and I am wrong.
I have no concerns about microchips or phone masts in relation to covid and vaccines fwiw!  | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:06 - Nov 22 with 1051 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:52 - Nov 22 by factual_blue |
Novichok is actually made from the contents Halesworth's latrines.
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I knew it....the Russians are innocent! | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:07 - Nov 22 with 1055 views | BlueBadger |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:30 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
Same here. |
I like how you've summed up my thought here without doing the whole verbal diarrhoea thing that I did down there. |  |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:07 - Nov 22 with 1049 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:53 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
No zinc? |
Nope but I think I read the government are going to supply vit D to the at risk now. | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:08 - Nov 22 with 1043 views | SpruceMoose |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:51 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Who is blindly accepting it? What is being accepted?
Sometimes the anti-establishment stuff gets rather tiresome because you never really flesh out any of your points. It's always one line which you then say means something else.
Come on DBS, you're a good egg, say what you mean and lets now sow doubt. There is enough rubbish flowing around as it is.
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It wouldn't be tough to write a short list of the posters on here who are nailed on to play contrarian on this subject. |  |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:08 - Nov 22 with 1040 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:53 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
Given the flu vaccine is only 60% (at the very, very best) effective it seems a bit more risky to be having something that might not work rather than something which is 95% effective.
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I can afford to die but not have time off work!! | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:09 - Nov 22 with 1037 views | StokieBlue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:05 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Well you are blindly accepting that it will all be fine because you are told so whereas I accept that I have not the slightest idea and will have to decide accordingly. Or if you don't blindly accept it then they way you and others round on those that express grounds for caution suggests you do and I am wrong.
I have no concerns about microchips or phone masts in relation to covid and vaccines fwiw! |
Nobody is blindly accepted it. The Pfizer vaccine has been through all phases of the trials and had nearly 50,000 people take it. There have been no adverse reactions thus far.
That doesn't mean there won't be, there is always a chance but the risk at the moment is greater than 50,000 to 1. The risk from Covid for many people is far higher.
How will you decide accordingly if you don't have the slightest idea? Sooner or later you're either going to have accept what the experts say or outsource your risk to others which doesn't sit comfortably with me at all.
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:11 - Nov 22 with 1031 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:56 - Nov 22 by jeera |
I'm not sure I understand your point tbh.
I thought the case for mostly eradicating diseases that used to be prominent a sensible one. |
I was agreeing with you I think...but you just have to hope you don't fall foul of the mistakes. Freedom to chose I guess. | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:12 - Nov 22 with 1028 views | J2BLUE |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 21:59 - Nov 22 by jeera |
I've been taking moderate zinc and iron this year I have to say.
I also take the odd Vitamin D when I remember this time of year but can't say it's religiously.
I had some deficiency [iron notably despite a decent diet] last year and was quite poorly for some time. |
Nice. I've been taking 2-3 vitamin D* a day and one zinc as well as a multivitamin.
*well within the safe limit | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:13 - Nov 22 with 1022 views | StokieBlue |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:12 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
Nice. I've been taking 2-3 vitamin D* a day and one zinc as well as a multivitamin.
*well within the safe limit |
This is interesting though.
So it's within the safe limit for what we know now but that may change in the future (it won't but it's the same logic that is being applied to the vaccine by some posters).
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:13 - Nov 22 with 1021 views | J2BLUE |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:07 - Nov 22 by BlueBadger |
I like how you've summed up my thought here without doing the whole verbal diarrhoea thing that I did down there. |
You're more qualified to speak on this subject. Feel free to take every opportunity to push the vaccines. People might actually listen to you! | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:14 - Nov 22 with 1015 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:00 - Nov 22 by jeera |
That's not a vaccine.
And if you were wearing it on the top of your head it was bound to cause some problems. [Post edited 22 Nov 2020 22:01]
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I saw that one coming!
The examples in the op weren't vaccines either so I thought the discussion was a more general one. | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:17 - Nov 22 with 1010 views | BlueBadger |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:13 - Nov 22 by J2BLUE |
You're more qualified to speak on this subject. Feel free to take every opportunity to push the vaccines. People might actually listen to you! |
I'm done ranting Jitters, the morons won in 2016, every win right now is just part of an orderly retreat. [Post edited 22 Nov 2020 22:22]
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:18 - Nov 22 with 1003 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:04 - Nov 22 by StokieBlue |
You're equating totally different things though. Why not equate the vaccine to something that has worked brilliantly like the smallpox or polio vaccines?
You're basically outsourcing your perceived risk to others. That doesn't seem to tally with the anarchist communities you promote.
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Same point as to Jeera ... the op's examples were about new meds and not specific to vaccines. | |
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| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:18 - Nov 22 with 1002 views | jeera |
| Pfizer...I just thought I'd share: on 22:11 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I was agreeing with you I think...but you just have to hope you don't fall foul of the mistakes. Freedom to chose I guess. |
But you keep pushing the 'following blindly' line.
If everyone took that approach then what?
Millions of kids dying of pox, don't you see?
Having spent much of my working life self-employed, I completely understand the can't afford to be ill sentiment! | |
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