| LAMBERT IN 10:29 - Nov 23 with 2808 views | BiGDonnie |
Joint second with a game in hand, 97th minute winner after having a bad game. Not to mention the injuries and suspensions.
He's going nowhere. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:25 - Nov 23 with 1328 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:00 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Regardless, we are 3rd with a game in hand, a good position to be sitting right now.
I don't think an argument is trying to be made, merely stating positives in the current situation which can't really be countered.
As stated, these 8 are the biggest in the season for me, and in Lambert's tenure, we've got off to a good start. |
Scraping a jammy win against Shrewsbury isn't exactly a good start. Given our comparatively kind run of fixtures at the start of the season where we are is okay and nothing more, imo. We've only played three sides that may finish in the top 8 so far and we've lost to all of them. We've done okay, but no more than okay, against the lesser sides.
My worry is our form and performances have tailed off over the last 6 or 7 games and when we're meant to be playing a settled system and should be drilling this into the players it's a bit concerning that we're regressing rather than getting better. The last few games I've watched have been dire from us. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:27 - Nov 23 with 1315 views | PJH |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:25 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Scraping a jammy win against Shrewsbury isn't exactly a good start. Given our comparatively kind run of fixtures at the start of the season where we are is okay and nothing more, imo. We've only played three sides that may finish in the top 8 so far and we've lost to all of them. We've done okay, but no more than okay, against the lesser sides.
My worry is our form and performances have tailed off over the last 6 or 7 games and when we're meant to be playing a settled system and should be drilling this into the players it's a bit concerning that we're regressing rather than getting better. The last few games I've watched have been dire from us. |
I think that we have looked pretty ordinary and sometimes not even that good in every game since the one at Blackpool. |  | | |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:28 - Nov 23 with 1314 views | DanTheMan |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:25 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Scraping a jammy win against Shrewsbury isn't exactly a good start. Given our comparatively kind run of fixtures at the start of the season where we are is okay and nothing more, imo. We've only played three sides that may finish in the top 8 so far and we've lost to all of them. We've done okay, but no more than okay, against the lesser sides.
My worry is our form and performances have tailed off over the last 6 or 7 games and when we're meant to be playing a settled system and should be drilling this into the players it's a bit concerning that we're regressing rather than getting better. The last few games I've watched have been dire from us. |
Agreed, the performances are the main concern for me.
I thought we had turned a corner at the start of the season. We were a bit inconsistent but at times played some nice football and were moving the ball with some purpose.
Slowly but surely things have been going backward to much more like last year where we are scraping by and getting points but really not performing well. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:30 - Nov 23 with 1305 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:25 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Scraping a jammy win against Shrewsbury isn't exactly a good start. Given our comparatively kind run of fixtures at the start of the season where we are is okay and nothing more, imo. We've only played three sides that may finish in the top 8 so far and we've lost to all of them. We've done okay, but no more than okay, against the lesser sides.
My worry is our form and performances have tailed off over the last 6 or 7 games and when we're meant to be playing a settled system and should be drilling this into the players it's a bit concerning that we're regressing rather than getting better. The last few games I've watched have been dire from us. |
But 25 points after 12, unbeaten at home certainly is.
Of course, it depends which way you wish to spin it, and I certainly can see both sides.
That's why the next 7 for me are the litmus test. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:35 - Nov 23 with 1290 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:28 - Nov 23 by DanTheMan |
Agreed, the performances are the main concern for me.
I thought we had turned a corner at the start of the season. We were a bit inconsistent but at times played some nice football and were moving the ball with some purpose.
Slowly but surely things have been going backward to much more like last year where we are scraping by and getting points but really not performing well. |
I felt the improved performances early in the season were a lot like the performances in our first 11 games last season to be honest. We were fairly solid and not punished by poor opponents when we did have the odd lapse, and we usually had a good spell of 20 minutes or a half on a really good day where our extra quality got us the goals needed to win. That's very much what was happening last season in our good run at the start. I remember thinking how poor the league was that we only needed to turn up for half a game or less to win pretty comfortably, and I had that same feeling during out first 6 games this season too (MK Dons aside where we were terrible).
The performances from Doncaster onwards (apart from perhaps Sunderland, but I missed that game) have been closer to how we were playing from October/November onwards last year. The three scraped home wins against bottom half fodder have papered over the cracks somewhat in terms of points and league position. The performances are genuinely worrying though and we will be dropping like a stone unless they suddenly improve fairly significantly. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:35 - Nov 23 with 1290 views | PJH |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:28 - Nov 23 by DanTheMan |
Agreed, the performances are the main concern for me.
I thought we had turned a corner at the start of the season. We were a bit inconsistent but at times played some nice football and were moving the ball with some purpose.
Slowly but surely things have been going backward to much more like last year where we are scraping by and getting points but really not performing well. |
I honestly think that we looked more like a team that was going to get promotion at this time last season than we do at the moment.
I did not doubt that we would go up at this point last season, small doubts maybe crept in in December but even in January I expected promotion. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 13:40]
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:35 - Nov 23 with 1286 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:27 - Nov 23 by PJH |
I think that we have looked pretty ordinary and sometimes not even that good in every game since the one at Blackpool. |
Agreed. It's been poor for a while now. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:39 - Nov 23 with 1281 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:30 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
But 25 points after 12, unbeaten at home certainly is.
Of course, it depends which way you wish to spin it, and I certainly can see both sides.
That's why the next 7 for me are the litmus test. |
Our home games have been against Wigan, Rochdale, Accrington, Gillingham, Crewe, and Shrewsbury. If our expectation from that run of games is to be anything other than unbeaten then we really have sunk a long old way. That's about as kind of run of home games as you can get at this level. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:49 - Nov 23 with 1270 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:39 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Our home games have been against Wigan, Rochdale, Accrington, Gillingham, Crewe, and Shrewsbury. If our expectation from that run of games is to be anything other than unbeaten then we really have sunk a long old way. That's about as kind of run of home games as you can get at this level. |
As I say, it all depends which way you want to spin it. We won't roll over many if any teams in this league, we simply aren't good enough, nor have the quality or fit players to do so.
Nobody is granted 3 points in this league, it would be very naive to think otherwise.
We have sunk a long old way, this is our level, and we have to try and be competitve to get out of it, but there will be another 8/9 times trying to do the same.
We won't walk out of this league at a canter at all, we simply don't have the quality to do that.
Next 7 crucial. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:51 - Nov 23 with 1268 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:49 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
As I say, it all depends which way you want to spin it. We won't roll over many if any teams in this league, we simply aren't good enough, nor have the quality or fit players to do so.
Nobody is granted 3 points in this league, it would be very naive to think otherwise.
We have sunk a long old way, this is our level, and we have to try and be competitve to get out of it, but there will be another 8/9 times trying to do the same.
We won't walk out of this league at a canter at all, we simply don't have the quality to do that.
Next 7 crucial. |
Yeah you can keep banging on about us lacking quality and this being our level, but nobody - including most oppo managers and journalists - is really buying it. You can spin it that way if you want, but it's not a very legitimate way to spin it when you compare our squad with most others at this level. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 11:55 - Nov 23 with 1263 views | tractorboy1978 |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:51 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Yeah you can keep banging on about us lacking quality and this being our level, but nobody - including most oppo managers and journalists - is really buying it. You can spin it that way if you want, but it's not a very legitimate way to spin it when you compare our squad with most others at this level. |
People compare our squad managed by Lambert against lesser squads that are properly coached, drilled and organised and say our squad is average. |  | | |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:00 - Nov 23 with 1258 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:55 - Nov 23 by tractorboy1978 |
People compare our squad managed by Lambert against lesser squads that are properly coached, drilled and organised and say our squad is average. |
That's a fairer comparison. The counter argument is that we can get rid of Lambert whereas the others can't immediately improve the quality at their disposal. The psyer I was responding to has implied many times that he thinks midtable is about par for our sqaud, which is just silly. There's a reason why every League 1 journo named Lambert the car crash of last season in that EDP article from a few months back. Failing to even make the play offs with the players we have is unacceptable. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:03 - Nov 23 with 1254 views | TieDyedIn95 |
It won't make any difference if he's gone. We'll still have mounting injuries, the same squad and no real budget for improvements. The squad isn't good enough, that's been compounded by the fact we haven't had a good manager but who on our budget could honestly do better? We had all this argument over Mick, he had to go, it wasn't good enough and look what we got instead. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:06 - Nov 23 with 1250 views | RobTheMonk |
I guess the worrying thing is we still can't beat teams around us and are struggling against lesser teams. Same old same old. Watch out for a new contract in December after we go on a losing run! |  | | |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:07 - Nov 23 with 1247 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:03 - Nov 23 by TieDyedIn95 |
It won't make any difference if he's gone. We'll still have mounting injuries, the same squad and no real budget for improvements. The squad isn't good enough, that's been compounded by the fact we haven't had a good manager but who on our budget could honestly do better? We had all this argument over Mick, he had to go, it wasn't good enough and look what we got instead. |
A trained monkey could get more out of this sqaud than Lambert. The squad is perfectly could enough to be getting out of League 1, this league is toss. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:37 - Nov 23 with 1227 views | jayessess |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:03 - Nov 23 by TieDyedIn95 |
It won't make any difference if he's gone. We'll still have mounting injuries, the same squad and no real budget for improvements. The squad isn't good enough, that's been compounded by the fact we haven't had a good manager but who on our budget could honestly do better? We had all this argument over Mick, he had to go, it wasn't good enough and look what we got instead. |
Who could do better on our budget? Well, judging by last season:
Mark Robins
Paul Warne
Gareth Ainsworth
Karl Robinson
Kenny Jackett
Joey Barton
Darren Ferguson
Darren Moore
and... Steve bloody Evans. |  |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:43 - Nov 23 with 1215 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| LAMBERT IN on 11:51 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
Yeah you can keep banging on about us lacking quality and this being our level, but nobody - including most oppo managers and journalists - is really buying it. You can spin it that way if you want, but it's not a very legitimate way to spin it when you compare our squad with most others at this level. |
Whether anyone choses to buy it or not is irrelevant to me. People can make their own minds up about where we are right now, as a football club, but peoples expectations seem a little over stretched from the reality of quality at this club, inc. both players/manager.
It is a misconception that becuase we have top tier wage bill, we have top tier quality.
It is a bit of a simplistic approach. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:46 - Nov 23 with 1211 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:43 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Whether anyone choses to buy it or not is irrelevant to me. People can make their own minds up about where we are right now, as a football club, but peoples expectations seem a little over stretched from the reality of quality at this club, inc. both players/manager.
It is a misconception that becuase we have top tier wage bill, we have top tier quality.
It is a bit of a simplistic approach. |
And yet every opposition manager and all the League 1 journos see us as having a squad that should be capable of top 6 as a minimum. It's not like it's Town fans blowing smoke up our own backsides. Compare our squad to others at this level and there is more than enough quality for top 6 to be a minimum expectation. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:50 - Nov 23 with 1208 views | PJH |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
And yet every opposition manager and all the League 1 journos see us as having a squad that should be capable of top 6 as a minimum. It's not like it's Town fans blowing smoke up our own backsides. Compare our squad to others at this level and there is more than enough quality for top 6 to be a minimum expectation. |
Yes, just as there was last season. | | | |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:52 - Nov 23 with 1205 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
And yet every opposition manager and all the League 1 journos see us as having a squad that should be capable of top 6 as a minimum. It's not like it's Town fans blowing smoke up our own backsides. Compare our squad to others at this level and there is more than enough quality for top 6 to be a minimum expectation. |
Weren't they saying the same thing this time last year...
I don't think it's smoke up anyones arse, just poor judgement in my opinion. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:54]
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:53 - Nov 23 with 1202 views | BiGDonnie |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:46 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
And yet every opposition manager and all the League 1 journos see us as having a squad that should be capable of top 6 as a minimum. It's not like it's Town fans blowing smoke up our own backsides. Compare our squad to others at this level and there is more than enough quality for top 6 to be a minimum expectation. |
Our squad is a top level tier three side or a lower level tier two side. As has been for the past 20 years. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 12:53 - Nov 23 with 1202 views | PJH |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:52 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Weren't they saying the same thing this time last year...
I don't think it's smoke up anyones arse, just poor judgement in my opinion. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:54]
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and they were right which highlights what a failure PL has been so far in his two years here. | | | |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:55 - Nov 23 with 1199 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:53 - Nov 23 by PJH |
and they were right which highlights what a failure PL has been so far in his two years here. |
Just Lambert...? | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 13:04 - Nov 23 with 1192 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:52 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
Weren't they saying the same thing this time last year...
I don't think it's smoke up anyones arse, just poor judgement in my opinion. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:54]
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They were, and they were correct then too. Our issue was and is that we have an inept, busted flush of a manager who has managed a staggering level of underachievement over his 2 years here. | |
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| LAMBERT IN on 13:05 - Nov 23 with 1190 views | Herbivore |
| LAMBERT IN on 12:53 - Nov 23 by BiGDonnie |
Our squad is a top level tier three side or a lower level tier two side. As has been for the past 20 years. |
We were in the Prem 20 years ago and then had one of the best squads in the second tier for the following few years. Even going back two and a half years we had a squad that was fairly average by Championship standards. | |
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