| Hull must be rubbish! 12:09 - Nov 23 with 5036 views | N2_Blue |
It seems according to our so called supporters apparently you are rubbish if you can't beat top 8 teams.
Hull have not beaten a team in the top 9, and have lost to Peterboro and Fleetwood.
We've beaten the team in 8th at least
(edited to pick up error pointed out by Homer) [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 12:14]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:58 - Nov 23 with 286 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:03 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
So how is it that every other relegated side over the last 3 years, with the exception of Bolton, has managed to do better than us at this level? 5 of the other 8 of them went back up at the first attempt, Sunderland made the play offs and narrowly missed out on automatic promotion.
Why is it too much to ask for us to think that we should also be challenging for promotion and able to compete with the best sides in the division? We came down in a much better and more stable place than many of the relegated sides that outperformed us. We then added to our squad rather than losing key players. Sorry, but the whole "we're in League 1 now so we're a League 1 side" argument is disingenuous. We should be a League 1 side pushing very hard to get out of League 1 and capable of beating all the other sides at this level. That we're not is a failure of management. |
I've had a look back as far as 2010/11 to see what teams were relegated from the Championship and how they did the following season in League 1.
2010/11 Relegated
Preston (finished 15th in L1 the next season)
Sheff Utd (3rd)
Scunthorpe (18th)
2011/12 Relegated
Portsmouth (24th* without points deduction 22nd)
Coventry (15th* without points deduction 12th)
Doncaster (1st)
2012/13 Relegated
Peterborough (6th)
Wolves (1st)
Bristol City (12th)
2013/14 Relegated
Doncaster (13th)
Barnsley (11th)
Yeovil (24th)
2014/15 Relegated
Millwall (4th)
Wigan (1st)
Blackpool (22nd)
2015/16 Relegated
Charlton (13th)
MK Dons (12th)
Bolton (2nd)
2016/17 Relegated
Blackburn (2nd)
Wigan (1st)
Rotherham (4th)
2017/18 Relegated
Barnsley (2nd)
Burton (9th)
Sunderland (5th)
2018/19 Relegated (19/20 calculated points finishing)
Rotherham (2nd)
Bolton (23rd*)
Ipswich (11th) |  | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:14 - Nov 23 with 272 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:13 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
You're quoting us on just ONE season, and a season that was not properly concluded. In the second season, we are currently 3rd.
Yes, I would like to be storming the league and looking like a top team. But ultimately we are 3rd. We perhaps haven't picked up the wins around the upper teams in the League, but we are still 3rd and plenty of possibility to win the return fixture.
But we never completed last season by playing 46 games so who knows what may or may not have happened. Sunderland have been here for their third season now. And quite a few ex-Prem/Championship sides were stuck here for a while. Looks at Leeds, Sheff Utd, QPR as examples. They didn't bounce straight back. |
In the last 3 years Rotherham have gone straight back up at the first time of asking twice, we've also seen Barnsley, Wigan, and Blackburn do the same. That's over half the relegated sides that have come straight back up. Sunderland also at least made the play offs and were close to finishing top 2, despite a change of ownership, manager, and high squad turnover the summer following relegation. So I'd say I'm perfectly justified in using just one season as evidence of the scale of Lambert's failure and using that one season and the last 3 years is far more relevant to this debate than going back to a bunch of sides that were relegated to this level several years or more ago. In that time frame only Bolton have done worse than us in their first season back down.
You seen to be implying by highlighting that last season was curtailed that you think there was a chance we mgint have reached the play offs. I think that's massively unrealistic given our form and performances when the season was curtailed. |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:17 - Nov 23 with 270 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:58 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
I've had a look back as far as 2010/11 to see what teams were relegated from the Championship and how they did the following season in League 1.
2010/11 Relegated
Preston (finished 15th in L1 the next season)
Sheff Utd (3rd)
Scunthorpe (18th)
2011/12 Relegated
Portsmouth (24th* without points deduction 22nd)
Coventry (15th* without points deduction 12th)
Doncaster (1st)
2012/13 Relegated
Peterborough (6th)
Wolves (1st)
Bristol City (12th)
2013/14 Relegated
Doncaster (13th)
Barnsley (11th)
Yeovil (24th)
2014/15 Relegated
Millwall (4th)
Wigan (1st)
Blackpool (22nd)
2015/16 Relegated
Charlton (13th)
MK Dons (12th)
Bolton (2nd)
2016/17 Relegated
Blackburn (2nd)
Wigan (1st)
Rotherham (4th)
2017/18 Relegated
Barnsley (2nd)
Burton (9th)
Sunderland (5th)
2018/19 Relegated (19/20 calculated points finishing)
Rotherham (2nd)
Bolton (23rd*)
Ipswich (11th) |
That’s good read! Well done for getting that together.
Possibly this league isn’t simple as some like to make out. Of course there are some that bounce back immediately, there are some likewise who find it a difficult task.
I’ve never believed we are mentally that strong, and Town are a bit of a soft touch. No huge surprise we finished 11th last year in the end. We never look mentally strong enough to compete with top 6 sides, and I’d be interested to know how many games we got a win after going behind first. |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:20 - Nov 23 with 265 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:14 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
In the last 3 years Rotherham have gone straight back up at the first time of asking twice, we've also seen Barnsley, Wigan, and Blackburn do the same. That's over half the relegated sides that have come straight back up. Sunderland also at least made the play offs and were close to finishing top 2, despite a change of ownership, manager, and high squad turnover the summer following relegation. So I'd say I'm perfectly justified in using just one season as evidence of the scale of Lambert's failure and using that one season and the last 3 years is far more relevant to this debate than going back to a bunch of sides that were relegated to this level several years or more ago. In that time frame only Bolton have done worse than us in their first season back down.
You seen to be implying by highlighting that last season was curtailed that you think there was a chance we mgint have reached the play offs. I think that's massively unrealistic given our form and performances when the season was curtailed. |
No, I think the standards supporters in general these days are far harsher and judgemental these days.
With regards to last season, we don't know how it could have panned out. On the form before curtailment, it didn't look promising. But when we were top and everyone was singing Lambert's praises (and I'll bet you were one of them), even when we went back top in January, nobody expected the sudden demise.
You just don't know. But with a relatively tight points difference between us and the sides above us last season, it's not inconceivable to think we COULD have ended up a few places higher.
And for the record, I'm more Lambert out than in. I just think certain people are overly critical. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 18:23]
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:21 - Nov 23 with 263 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 17:58 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
I've had a look back as far as 2010/11 to see what teams were relegated from the Championship and how they did the following season in League 1.
2010/11 Relegated
Preston (finished 15th in L1 the next season)
Sheff Utd (3rd)
Scunthorpe (18th)
2011/12 Relegated
Portsmouth (24th* without points deduction 22nd)
Coventry (15th* without points deduction 12th)
Doncaster (1st)
2012/13 Relegated
Peterborough (6th)
Wolves (1st)
Bristol City (12th)
2013/14 Relegated
Doncaster (13th)
Barnsley (11th)
Yeovil (24th)
2014/15 Relegated
Millwall (4th)
Wigan (1st)
Blackpool (22nd)
2015/16 Relegated
Charlton (13th)
MK Dons (12th)
Bolton (2nd)
2016/17 Relegated
Blackburn (2nd)
Wigan (1st)
Rotherham (4th)
2017/18 Relegated
Barnsley (2nd)
Burton (9th)
Sunderland (5th)
2018/19 Relegated (19/20 calculated points finishing)
Rotherham (2nd)
Bolton (23rd*)
Ipswich (11th) |
The gap between the Championship and League 1 has grown significantly in that time, as you can see by the general trend in the last few years for sides that come down to finish top 6. Of the last 9 it's only us, Bolton (points deduction) and Burton (small fry at this level) that have failed to do so.
Even over that longer period though I make that 13 sides that have managed to finish top 6 the season after relegation and several sides either had points deductions or were otherwise a complete mess. We had stability and were well backed. You're not really doing much to counter the argument that last season was an epic failure from Lambert. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:24 - Nov 23 with 254 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:20 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
No, I think the standards supporters in general these days are far harsher and judgemental these days.
With regards to last season, we don't know how it could have panned out. On the form before curtailment, it didn't look promising. But when we were top and everyone was singing Lambert's praises (and I'll bet you were one of them), even when we went back top in January, nobody expected the sudden demise.
You just don't know. But with a relatively tight points difference between us and the sides above us last season, it's not inconceivable to think we COULD have ended up a few places higher.
And for the record, I'm more Lambert out than in. I just think certain people are overly critical. [Post edited 23 Nov 2020 18:23]
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He deserves every ounce of criticism he gets. He's been an abject failure. And no, I wasn't especially singing Lambert's praises when we were top as there were still issues that were pretty evident and that ultimately led to us falling away badly. He's done a terrible job here. Any manager worth their salt would have had us top 6 as a bare minimum last season. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:25 - Nov 23 with 254 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:21 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
The gap between the Championship and League 1 has grown significantly in that time, as you can see by the general trend in the last few years for sides that come down to finish top 6. Of the last 9 it's only us, Bolton (points deduction) and Burton (small fry at this level) that have failed to do so.
Even over that longer period though I make that 13 sides that have managed to finish top 6 the season after relegation and several sides either had points deductions or were otherwise a complete mess. We had stability and were well backed. You're not really doing much to counter the argument that last season was an epic failure from Lambert. |
Counter arguing that Lambert is an "epic failure" is not my intention. See previous post. | | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:27 - Nov 23 with 251 views | jayessess |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:17 - Nov 23 by TheTrueBlue1878 |
That’s good read! Well done for getting that together.
Possibly this league isn’t simple as some like to make out. Of course there are some that bounce back immediately, there are some likewise who find it a difficult task.
I’ve never believed we are mentally that strong, and Town are a bit of a soft touch. No huge surprise we finished 11th last year in the end. We never look mentally strong enough to compete with top 6 sides, and I’d be interested to know how many games we got a win after going behind first. |
Once you filter out the teams that were (a) in total financial meltdown and (b) much much smaller than Ipswich, that's maybe one team in a decade that didn't make the top 6? |  |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:29 - Nov 23 with 247 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:25 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
Counter arguing that Lambert is an "epic failure" is not my intention. See previous post. |
So what is your point then? Because you seemed really angry at me using last season to highlight what a disaster Lambert has been here. You used caps lock and everything. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:30 - Nov 23 with 245 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:27 - Nov 23 by jayessess |
Once you filter out the teams that were (a) in total financial meltdown and (b) much much smaller than Ipswich, that's maybe one team in a decade that didn't make the top 6? |
Exactly. Us finishing 11th in League 1 when everything is taken into account is an embarrassment. That Lambert has kept his job is an insult to the fans really. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:33 - Nov 23 with 240 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:29 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
So what is your point then? Because you seemed really angry at me using last season to highlight what a disaster Lambert has been here. You used caps lock and everything. |
Angry at you? Bloody hell, give over precious.
And one word in capital letters: COULD. Real angry stuff, yeah I wanna meet you in Ipswich for some fisticuffs!!!! Give over, ha ha. | | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:34 - Nov 23 with 234 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:33 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
Angry at you? Bloody hell, give over precious.
And one word in capital letters: COULD. Real angry stuff, yeah I wanna meet you in Ipswich for some fisticuffs!!!! Give over, ha ha. |
So what is your point? | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:35 - Nov 23 with 230 views | SuperCoops |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:34 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
So what is your point? |
Never mind, sweet pea. I was having a discussion. Don't want you bursting a vessel or feel I'm going mental at you. | | | |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:37 - Nov 23 with 221 views | Herbivore |
| Hull must be rubbish! on 18:35 - Nov 23 by SuperCoops |
Never mind, sweet pea. I was having a discussion. Don't want you bursting a vessel or feel I'm going mental at you. |
Right. Weird. | |
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| Hull must be rubbish! on 19:04 - Nov 23 with 211 views | reusersfreekicks |
I really think we will lose |  | | |
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