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Which builds on discussions we were having over the last few weeks on countries doing the same. Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Japan and the USA (under Biden) will be some of the first to insist on the vaccine before you are let in.
USA will tie it to ESTAs.
NEW: Qantas plans to insist that passengers on international flights have been vaccinated against #coronavirus before boarding its planes, once any jab is rolled out across the world
CEO Alan Joyce said he thinks a vaccine will become "a necessity" for international travel
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:07 - Nov 23 by bluelagos
Have posted about this before, but the yellow fever thing (is basically a small passport size book (cardboard outer, pages inside) where each vaccination is stamped by the vaccinator (signed and dated too) much like a stamp for a car service. One page lists your details such as passport number so they are not transferable.
You carry it with you along with your passport and then present it at immigration in countries that require it.
It really isn't a major logistical issue to print them, fill them in, keep them and then present them as needed. Am sure a simple certificate from a doctor would also suffice as proof of vaccination for many countries.
Thank you.
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:52 - Nov 23 with 2651 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:18 - Nov 23 by bluelagos
They can't be that stupid can they? I'm sorry, I know the politicans are fckwits but even they can't be that fcking stupid?
There will some guff about 'sensible precautions', 'cutting red tape' and 'Britain is open for business' because they'll have been bunged a few quid by the airlines.
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:28 - Nov 23 by bluelagos
Yeah but in March Boris was still going round shaking hands with people in hospitals, and he was happy to go on TV and tell everyone.
We have all learned a lot in the past 8 months and largely accepted limits to our freedoms we wouldn't have thought possible in March...
I really can’t see what the problem with having the vaccine is, those of us of a certain age will remember queuing around the school to get the TB and polio jabs, both were almost totally eradicated due to this, and is now on the rise again since these were withdrawn. I did have issues with the MMR triple jab which I believe changed my youngest sons life forever, ( he had huge reaction which resulted in a huge fit and was unconscious for a short time and is autistic, obviously no concrete proof to link this but he was definitely different pre-jab) I have said all along that airlines will insist on this, surely people can’t disagree with this decision and well tough you won’t be able to fly if you don’t.
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 18:43 - Nov 23 with 2606 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:18 - Nov 23 by bluelagos
They can't be that stupid can they? I'm sorry, I know the politicans are fckwits but even they can't be that fcking stupid?
The only thing they've done consistently is continually surpass their own previous levels off stupid, starting from a point where they were 'The most stupid government ever' even before covid..
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 19:53 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
It’s coercion and a penalisation on freedom of choice, no?
It is. I am a libertarian at heart and sometimes we have to give up some freedoms for the greater good. When I travel to/from many places I show my yellow fever certificate knowing that my having been vaccinated helps protect the places I am traveling to from my spreading the disease.
Sometimes the greater good outweighs our individual freedoms and pressure is brought to bare on people to conform. I think this is one of those rare occasions.
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 19:53 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
It’s coercion and a penalisation on freedom of choice, no?
It's the continuation of a well established paradigm used by many countries to stop infectious diseases from entering their country and causing havoc.
You have the freedom not to take the vaccine but then other countries most certainly have the freedom of choice not to let you in.
If anything not taking the vaccine is a position whereby you outsource your perceived risk to others. In that situation those people should get the benefits as they have taken the risk for you.
SB
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:29 - Nov 23 with 2515 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:01 - Nov 23 by StokieBlue
It's the continuation of a well established paradigm used by many countries to stop infectious diseases from entering their country and causing havoc.
You have the freedom not to take the vaccine but then other countries most certainly have the freedom of choice not to let you in.
If anything not taking the vaccine is a position whereby you outsource your perceived risk to others. In that situation those people should get the benefits as they have taken the risk for you.
SB
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What you’re describing in your first two paragraphs is authoritarianism. What you’re describing in your third paragraph is conformity.
Both those principles are contradictory to democratic values for me.
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:29 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
What you’re describing in your first two paragraphs is authoritarianism. What you’re describing in your third paragraph is conformity.
Both those principles are contradictory to democratic values for me.
That's total nonsense.
Why haven't you complained about other countries requiring vaccines before? Are you also claiming countries don't have the right to decide on what basis people are allowed to enter their country?
It's not conformity. It's a reward for taking the risk for you so why should you get any benefits?
SB
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:40 - Nov 23 with 2484 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:29 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
What you’re describing in your first two paragraphs is authoritarianism. What you’re describing in your third paragraph is conformity.
Both those principles are contradictory to democratic values for me.
Utter nonsense. No doubt a dozen people will have beaten me to it in pointing this out.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:29 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
What you’re describing in your first two paragraphs is authoritarianism. What you’re describing in your third paragraph is conformity.
Both those principles are contradictory to democratic values for me.
That’s just a load of big words thrown together in a vaguely coherent order.
I would be really uncomfortable with people being forced to take the vaccine or locked up for not taking it. However, it’s completely reasonable for them to have to face the inevitable consequences of their decision.
Why should an immunocompromised person, who can’t have the vaccine, have to run the risk of sitting next to some conspiracy theorist idiot on a plane whose village idiot views could kill them?
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 22:07 - Nov 23 with 2410 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 21:59 - Nov 23 by m14_blue
That’s just a load of big words thrown together in a vaguely coherent order.
I would be really uncomfortable with people being forced to take the vaccine or locked up for not taking it. However, it’s completely reasonable for them to have to face the inevitable consequences of their decision.
Why should an immunocompromised person, who can’t have the vaccine, have to run the risk of sitting next to some conspiracy theorist idiot on a plane whose village idiot views could kill them?
"That’s just a load of big words thrown together in a vaguely coherent order."
It was almost Hampstead-esque in that regard.
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Despite being among the most restrictive in the world, the COVID response in Australia and NZ has incredibly high levels of public support. In Western Australia we've effectively shut the border to travel to and from the other states - and our state government currently has a 90% approval rating!! Sure, there are small pockets of people who haven't followed the rules, but in general most people have accepted it.
It does help however that the country is huge, sparsely populated and after 10 weeks of the initial lockdown (apart from in Victoria) there has been relative freedom to go about your normal life.
The tourist spots in Western Australia have never been busier because locals are now holidaying within the state rather than heading to SE Asia or the east coast.
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 03:23 - Nov 24 with 2335 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 19:53 - Nov 23 by Keaneish
It’s coercion and a penalisation on freedom of choice, no?
Freedom of choice, like freedom of speech does not mean 'freedom from consequence'.
All these 'but are freedum' types have been bleating about restrictions for months now. Here's your ticket out of restrictions. Frankly, when they set up workplace jabs, I'm fighting for a place at the front of the queue.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
I'm all for some sort of proof of vaccination...but won't people just get fakes or start lending them to their mates if it's just a simple piece of paper? Almost needs to be done with passport level of security built in..
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Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 07:37 - Nov 24 with 2277 views
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 20:39 - Nov 23 by StokieBlue
That's total nonsense.
Why haven't you complained about other countries requiring vaccines before? Are you also claiming countries don't have the right to decide on what basis people are allowed to enter their country?
It's not conformity. It's a reward for taking the risk for you so why should you get any benefits?
SB
“Taking the risk for me?”
There’s an air of arrogant indignation about this which is as lamentable as it is laughable. The notion that someone should be rewarded for following the status quo as it’s some kind of self sacrifice is ridiculous; that is, if I’ve understood you right.
You seem to take information spoon fed to you by Government, Corporations or Royal Charter Institutions and pedal them as fact. The language you use tows the line with main stream media and public perception, no doubt common discourse in Clissold’s Latte drinking micro bubble but the reality is, it’s really not very scary out there. Those opting to take the vaccine really aren’t martyrs; I’d actually say they’re a product of fear but each to their own.
As for the point about Authoritarianism labelled “nonsense” by yourself, a phrase you typically like to police others with, I fail to see how it isn’t. The enforcement of strict obedience at the expense of personal freedom is exactly what’s happening here - that is the very definition of authoritarianism. It’s through a different lens and in relation to the post, its actually corporatocratic, which I find far more troublesome and worrying on a global level than a pandemic.
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 07:37 - Nov 24 by Keaneish
“Taking the risk for me?”
There’s an air of arrogant indignation about this which is as lamentable as it is laughable. The notion that someone should be rewarded for following the status quo as it’s some kind of self sacrifice is ridiculous; that is, if I’ve understood you right.
You seem to take information spoon fed to you by Government, Corporations or Royal Charter Institutions and pedal them as fact. The language you use tows the line with main stream media and public perception, no doubt common discourse in Clissold’s Latte drinking micro bubble but the reality is, it’s really not very scary out there. Those opting to take the vaccine really aren’t martyrs; I’d actually say they’re a product of fear but each to their own.
As for the point about Authoritarianism labelled “nonsense” by yourself, a phrase you typically like to police others with, I fail to see how it isn’t. The enforcement of strict obedience at the expense of personal freedom is exactly what’s happening here - that is the very definition of authoritarianism. It’s through a different lens and in relation to the post, its actually corporatocratic, which I find far more troublesome and worrying on a global level than a pandemic.
Fine
If you don’t want the vaccine then stay home out the way.
If you can’t see the benefits then I am sorry for toy and liken you to someone who in a war says I,m not going to fight cos those pesky bullets might hurt me but them expects others to die to protect you
The anti vax lot are simply mis informed cowards of the highest order who should all hang their heads in shame
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 17:07 - Nov 23 by bluelagos
Have posted about this before, but the yellow fever thing (is basically a small passport size book (cardboard outer, pages inside) where each vaccination is stamped by the vaccinator (signed and dated too) much like a stamp for a car service. One page lists your details such as passport number so they are not transferable.
You carry it with you along with your passport and then present it at immigration in countries that require it.
It really isn't a major logistical issue to print them, fill them in, keep them and then present them as needed. Am sure a simple certificate from a doctor would also suffice as proof of vaccination for many countries.
I had to have proof of cholera vaccination for one west African country. Forget which.
Qantas saying no vaccine, no travel on 07:37 - Nov 24 by Keaneish
“Taking the risk for me?”
There’s an air of arrogant indignation about this which is as lamentable as it is laughable. The notion that someone should be rewarded for following the status quo as it’s some kind of self sacrifice is ridiculous; that is, if I’ve understood you right.
You seem to take information spoon fed to you by Government, Corporations or Royal Charter Institutions and pedal them as fact. The language you use tows the line with main stream media and public perception, no doubt common discourse in Clissold’s Latte drinking micro bubble but the reality is, it’s really not very scary out there. Those opting to take the vaccine really aren’t martyrs; I’d actually say they’re a product of fear but each to their own.
As for the point about Authoritarianism labelled “nonsense” by yourself, a phrase you typically like to police others with, I fail to see how it isn’t. The enforcement of strict obedience at the expense of personal freedom is exactly what’s happening here - that is the very definition of authoritarianism. It’s through a different lens and in relation to the post, its actually corporatocratic, which I find far more troublesome and worrying on a global level than a pandemic.
assume you'll not be travelling anywhere in the future then.
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