| Managers and the press 13:05 - Nov 29 with 4707 views | blueislander |
I have a recollection from many years ago ( a long time before TWTD ) when a Manager,I don’t recall which one, but it might even have been Robson, fell out with the local press, and refused to engage with them . It didn’t last very long. |  | | |  |
| Managers and the press on 00:31 - Nov 30 with 536 views | Old_Git |
| Managers and the press on 18:54 - Nov 29 by oldburian |
Lovely to hear from you again, we old ones had a lovely night a few years back reminiscing of days gone by. Trips to Norwich and you being driven by half blind uncle. You are right that pseudo politics are ruining this site, unfortunately mostly from those without knowledge or experience of what they are proposing or arguing about.
We know we cannot have the Robson/Cobbold era ever again but we could be run better. Can you imagine JC reaction if Bobby had proposed to sign the likes of Ben Thatcher, Chopra or Bowyer amongst others. It would have got no further than a thought! |
You raise so many decent points.
Uncle Arthur.
Registered blind.
He drove an old black Morris and commented, whilst driving us home from Carrow Road, a long distance, that Norwich were lucky to have got a point.
They’d won. (Or, lost: the point of the story doesn’t change; they hadn’t drawn, Arthur; he’d not seen the goal !!😄😄😄🦋
Ah me. He was REGISTERED BLIND, whatever than means. Was his white stick provided for free ?
Golly, times have changed. I’m so tempted to get into a discussion about The Ipswich Way...
But I must not.
Arthur was a gentle, lovely man. He had some sort of tumour of the brain that had caused his blindness.
Didn’t hold him back, tho !! You know I’m not making it up. “Times change.”
He actually used to work on a brewery dray, delivering for Peatlings & Cawdron and they would drink a pint at every pub at which they delivered. True. Hahaha. |  |
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| Managers and the press on 00:42 - Nov 30 with 534 views | Old_Git |
| Managers and the press on 16:34 - Nov 29 by shamboy |
John Lyall's grudge was against Dave Allard, as nice a man as you will ever meet and a Suffolk country boy to boot. Dave was never outspoken, but Lyall took exception to him.
What got into the press was that Lyall had an unpleasant nickname for Allard - this appeared either in the EADT/Star or possibly the Green 'Un.
The details didn't get into the press but I don't mind spilling. Lyall's name for the likeable Dave was 'Stench', usually turned into rhyming slang as 'Judy' as in Judy Dench / Stench. Typically it would be comments at the training ground such as 'Look out, Judy's about'.
It got even worse, with direct threats to Dave's wellbeing, notably a threat to have him run over.
A sad episode, of a different tone to Lambert's behaviour. |
Tho, that issue arose based upon the point I made.
The London clubs don’t have the one-on-one rship with a local paper, as was the case with Town and the East Anglian/Evening Star, thirty years ago.
Instead, in London a manager would face national journalists that would not have the intense focus on his team that Allard, Garnett And the skinny chap with spex whose names escapes me.
Here, it was part of the journalist’s job to take every opportunity to schmooze with the players and that is precisely what happened. Dave Allard was always at the bar and Garnett was in the clubhouse, buying drinks for players. Both journalists were sociable so this was not the cynical exercise that it sounds – it’s the same in Round Table, Masons and Rotary – but Lyall hated this familiarity and inevitable ‘leakage’ that in London was not a problem.
Lyall was an institution in the East End, a mentor to Bobby Moore, at West Ham for over thirty years and he felt disrespected at Town tho, unexpectedly, he loved Suffolk and his widow (who I met a couple of times) continued to live here. When Lyall retired, his widow told me, he never watched another match again. | |
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| Managers and the press on 03:58 - Nov 30 with 506 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Managers and the press on 15:31 - Nov 29 by Old_Git |
'Not sure it's a great year for students.'
The youngest of my many children, still at university - {{a lot of wives, a lot of water passed under the bridge}} - sits in a flat with his delightful gf - a flat he prudently committed to, just before the pandemic struck, as he is Well Organised - and a flat that he was and is legally committed to. There is no question of a refund of the year's rent.
Why would the couple want such a refund ? Because their university is offering them online tuition.
They could be sitting in Bucharest where flat rental is more reasonable and the geographic location equally relevant.
This one year will cost the couple over £30,000 and please don't mention that they may never repay the total cost of their uni experience as I think they will.
In this instance, there is not 'good stuff and not so good stuff'...there is only disaster, from The Customer's POV. My son and his gf are paying £30k to watch YouTube.
The public sector of course finds the capitalist 'obsession' with the customer alien to a communal life and yet I notice that left-of-centre North Stand ITFC fans - as represented on here - are vocal in their criticism of Mr Evans when they in fact contribute so little to the cost of providing the ITFC service. "It's Our Club." It is unarguably Our Club in one sense and yet, in another sense, it is legally only the plaything of Evans, for him to throw away, should he so choose...{{and if I was him I would have done so half a decade ago - at around the "I've wasted £50m on this" point.}}
Thus, Town fans - watching our games online - would be lynching people if, whilst receiving almost no customer benefit, they were invited to pay one hundredth of the sum that my boy is paying tho he will arguably gain more benefit from his degree than we Town fans have seen in two decades.
"Universities need those fees!" That isn't an argument that has much lateral resonance: students need some of their money back, just as landlords have insisted upon their full rent.
That's a characteristically long-winded way of saying that my boy is losing out, financially and educationally. Big Time.
Not that it's Someone's Fault.
In just the same way that Boris has not deliberately killed anyone, so neither universities nor the gov is morally responsible for the mess in which my son finds himself. He's not being 'swindled' but, whereas so many millions of people are receiving 80% of their (legal min) wage for lying in bed, some students are taking a smack. (And, no doubt, some are taking smack.)
I raised the question: will universities excuse themselves from offering a penny of discount to students taking a smack, by claiming that the pandemic is force majeure, an Act of God and that therefore the customer can get lost, "because we universities need the money" ?
If so, would the university financial and legal authorities assist students in suing landlords for a refund, arguing on behalf of Their Students that, to meet the standards of natural justice, force majeure must surely also apply to the student/landlord rship ?
I'm framing the argument, not arguing the case.
But I think this issue deserves to be properly aired, don't you ?
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Good post OG.
You make many a good point here. Speaking as a student, the university throughout have tried to offer their help when they can but the lack of clarity and information comes right from the top. They literally never know what they can and can’t do because of the ever changing scenario.
One thing they did do, not that it affected me as I haven’t lived in halls since first year, is offer free cancellation on student accommodation rent should a change in the covid circumstance occur (including a second lockdown). So I know a few people that have now been able to leave halls for free because of the second lockdown and affectively relieve themselves from the contract.
My landlord in second year was better than expected too re covid, though one or two things were certainly unfair imo but that’s for another day.
As for the lessons, half are online (until next week when universities close for 6 weeks) and the other half are in person. Issue for me is that I’m missing out on valuable coaching opportunities in various schools. That isn’t something that can be done online so is a real kick in the chops.I suppose it’s luck of the draw. A bad time to be a student but what can we do? We just have to get on with it. Not much else we can do. Mustn’t grumble eh
Edit - You should stick around. It’s good to see you back posting. Takes me back to when I first joined here 8 years ago. [Post edited 30 Nov 2020 3:59]
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| Managers and the press on 07:57 - Nov 30 with 458 views | solemio |
| Managers and the press on 15:31 - Nov 29 by Old_Git |
'Not sure it's a great year for students.'
The youngest of my many children, still at university - {{a lot of wives, a lot of water passed under the bridge}} - sits in a flat with his delightful gf - a flat he prudently committed to, just before the pandemic struck, as he is Well Organised - and a flat that he was and is legally committed to. There is no question of a refund of the year's rent.
Why would the couple want such a refund ? Because their university is offering them online tuition.
They could be sitting in Bucharest where flat rental is more reasonable and the geographic location equally relevant.
This one year will cost the couple over £30,000 and please don't mention that they may never repay the total cost of their uni experience as I think they will.
In this instance, there is not 'good stuff and not so good stuff'...there is only disaster, from The Customer's POV. My son and his gf are paying £30k to watch YouTube.
The public sector of course finds the capitalist 'obsession' with the customer alien to a communal life and yet I notice that left-of-centre North Stand ITFC fans - as represented on here - are vocal in their criticism of Mr Evans when they in fact contribute so little to the cost of providing the ITFC service. "It's Our Club." It is unarguably Our Club in one sense and yet, in another sense, it is legally only the plaything of Evans, for him to throw away, should he so choose...{{and if I was him I would have done so half a decade ago - at around the "I've wasted £50m on this" point.}}
Thus, Town fans - watching our games online - would be lynching people if, whilst receiving almost no customer benefit, they were invited to pay one hundredth of the sum that my boy is paying tho he will arguably gain more benefit from his degree than we Town fans have seen in two decades.
"Universities need those fees!" That isn't an argument that has much lateral resonance: students need some of their money back, just as landlords have insisted upon their full rent.
That's a characteristically long-winded way of saying that my boy is losing out, financially and educationally. Big Time.
Not that it's Someone's Fault.
In just the same way that Boris has not deliberately killed anyone, so neither universities nor the gov is morally responsible for the mess in which my son finds himself. He's not being 'swindled' but, whereas so many millions of people are receiving 80% of their (legal min) wage for lying in bed, some students are taking a smack. (And, no doubt, some are taking smack.)
I raised the question: will universities excuse themselves from offering a penny of discount to students taking a smack, by claiming that the pandemic is force majeure, an Act of God and that therefore the customer can get lost, "because we universities need the money" ?
If so, would the university financial and legal authorities assist students in suing landlords for a refund, arguing on behalf of Their Students that, to meet the standards of natural justice, force majeure must surely also apply to the student/landlord rship ?
I'm framing the argument, not arguing the case.
But I think this issue deserves to be properly aired, don't you ?
OG@R |
I'm sorry. I don't believe you are the original Old Git. This post is just too brief to have been written by him. | | | |
| Managers and the press on 14:11 - Nov 30 with 421 views | Old_Git |
| Managers and the press on 07:57 - Nov 30 by solemio |
I'm sorry. I don't believe you are the original Old Git. This post is just too brief to have been written by him. |
hahahaha
I've not got much time left, so I've had to trim my postings by 94%...
I've got to leave time to find my glasses and check whether my flies are undone...
Sadly, I'm too old to have Early Stage Dementia.
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| Managers and the press on 14:24 - Nov 30 with 408 views | Old_Git |
| Managers and the press on 03:58 - Nov 30 by The_Romford_Blue |
Good post OG.
You make many a good point here. Speaking as a student, the university throughout have tried to offer their help when they can but the lack of clarity and information comes right from the top. They literally never know what they can and can’t do because of the ever changing scenario.
One thing they did do, not that it affected me as I haven’t lived in halls since first year, is offer free cancellation on student accommodation rent should a change in the covid circumstance occur (including a second lockdown). So I know a few people that have now been able to leave halls for free because of the second lockdown and affectively relieve themselves from the contract.
My landlord in second year was better than expected too re covid, though one or two things were certainly unfair imo but that’s for another day.
As for the lessons, half are online (until next week when universities close for 6 weeks) and the other half are in person. Issue for me is that I’m missing out on valuable coaching opportunities in various schools. That isn’t something that can be done online so is a real kick in the chops.I suppose it’s luck of the draw. A bad time to be a student but what can we do? We just have to get on with it. Not much else we can do. Mustn’t grumble eh
Edit - You should stick around. It’s good to see you back posting. Takes me back to when I first joined here 8 years ago. [Post edited 30 Nov 2020 3:59]
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In terms of Mustn't Grumble, there's a bit to say...
On the one hand, my son and his gf are facing a £30k+ bill for a silliness. They will not have any part of their Loan absolved, they are sure to face a Real outgoing of this huge sum. If no-one pipes up about this, the young couple will suffer this poor deal.
BUT, it would be foolish to become depressed or bitter about this. Mustn't Grumble isn't a bad motto to live by, throughout one's life...Complain, seek redress...but, if it isn't forthcoming, Move On. Look at my first ex-wife - STILL bitter...
...mind, her second hubby dumped her, too  (NO. Don't say that she must have been doing something badly wrong as she remains a fine woman; I ran off with a tottie...and, unbelievably, so did the next guy and I have never forgiven him. And, because W1 - as I call her - is still in daily contact with me, I now have to shoulder her hatred of both me and H2 
Where was I ?
Do you know, I haven't had my pills, yet. I had more to say but I think I must get on.
I've been for a walk with D3, in light drizzle.
And, I've been up to Tesco Express for a croissant that I'm not supposed to have. But I forgot washing-up liquid. One out of two is A Result.
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