| Sturgie-gawd 21:26 - Nov 30 with 2775 views | scotdoc |
The SNP bribe,jings how low can you go?
I'm a GP and 33 years in the NHS.
I don't want this appalling money.
Jeez give it the poor sods that have lost jobs etc.
Electioneering at the gutter level.
Doomed I tell ye,doomed.... |  | | |  |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:31 - Nov 30 with 1714 views | RegencyBlue |
I’m not too well up on Scottish political goings on but isn’t Nichola under pressure on a number of issues?
Not so much electioneering as diversion tactics? |  | | |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:38 - Nov 30 with 1670 views | scotdoc |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:31 - Nov 30 by RegencyBlue |
I’m not too well up on Scottish political goings on but isn’t Nichola under pressure on a number of issues?
Not so much electioneering as diversion tactics? |
Sensible people are aghast at this.
Her "nationalism" is deliberate.
The daily "Nicola Show" is party propaganda.
Unfortunately there is no credible opposition.
Hopefully her partner gets a rough time over "Salmondgate" tomorrow.
Mind you,Andy Marr did not badly yesterday. | | | |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:51 - Nov 30 with 1638 views | RegencyBlue |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:38 - Nov 30 by scotdoc |
Sensible people are aghast at this.
Her "nationalism" is deliberate.
The daily "Nicola Show" is party propaganda.
Unfortunately there is no credible opposition.
Hopefully her partner gets a rough time over "Salmondgate" tomorrow.
Mind you,Andy Marr did not badly yesterday. |
I didn’t see it personally but I gather Marr absolutely roasted her in the interview yesterday. | | | |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:25 - Nov 30 with 1580 views | TieDyedIn95 |
I don't understand why the Tories just don't offer them the referendum but this time actually spell out what that means which should be -
Barnett formulae gone instantly
Hard boarder with England including customs
Tariffs on Scots imports, no automatic free trade deal
No use of the Pound
No defence from the British Army, Scottish regiment immediately disbanded, no Navy and so on
They Inherit their share of the 2trillion national debt
No financial care packages - once your gone, your gone
No BBC
Scots in England have to apply for English passport/nationality, English people in Scotland don't automatically qualify for English passports/nationality
Oh and they can keep the oil and what not.
If they still vote for independence after all of that then fair play. No half measures. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 22:31 - Nov 30 with 1561 views | J2BLUE |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:25 - Nov 30 by TieDyedIn95 |
I don't understand why the Tories just don't offer them the referendum but this time actually spell out what that means which should be -
Barnett formulae gone instantly
Hard boarder with England including customs
Tariffs on Scots imports, no automatic free trade deal
No use of the Pound
No defence from the British Army, Scottish regiment immediately disbanded, no Navy and so on
They Inherit their share of the 2trillion national debt
No financial care packages - once your gone, your gone
No BBC
Scots in England have to apply for English passport/nationality, English people in Scotland don't automatically qualify for English passports/nationality
Oh and they can keep the oil and what not.
If they still vote for independence after all of that then fair play. No half measures. |
If they take their share of the debt they are entitled to their share of the assets.
As for the BBC there's no real reason for that to change. If they pay their licence fees why not let the BBC represent them as well?
We would of course defend Scotland if needed as we would go to Ireland's aid as members of NATO.
The problem isn't with them having independence, the problem is with the minority who think they can leave debt free, cherry pick the bits of the UK relationship they want and keep 100% of the oil revenue.
*waits for someone to mention Brexit* |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 22:43 - Nov 30 with 1528 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:25 - Nov 30 by TieDyedIn95 |
I don't understand why the Tories just don't offer them the referendum but this time actually spell out what that means which should be -
Barnett formulae gone instantly
Hard boarder with England including customs
Tariffs on Scots imports, no automatic free trade deal
No use of the Pound
No defence from the British Army, Scottish regiment immediately disbanded, no Navy and so on
They Inherit their share of the 2trillion national debt
No financial care packages - once your gone, your gone
No BBC
Scots in England have to apply for English passport/nationality, English people in Scotland don't automatically qualify for English passports/nationality
Oh and they can keep the oil and what not.
If they still vote for independence after all of that then fair play. No half measures. |
What a silly post. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 22:53 - Nov 30 with 1516 views | MattinLondon |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:31 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
If they take their share of the debt they are entitled to their share of the assets.
As for the BBC there's no real reason for that to change. If they pay their licence fees why not let the BBC represent them as well?
We would of course defend Scotland if needed as we would go to Ireland's aid as members of NATO.
The problem isn't with them having independence, the problem is with the minority who think they can leave debt free, cherry pick the bits of the UK relationship they want and keep 100% of the oil revenue.
*waits for someone to mention Brexit* |
And they can carry on using the pound in the same way that
Kosovo and Montenegro uses the Euro and some central and South American countries uses the US Dollar |  | | |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:55 - Nov 30 with 1501 views | MattinLondon |
If you don’t want the money there’s nothing stopping you from giving it to charity. | | | |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 23:35 - Nov 30 with 1449 views | StokieBlue |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:53 - Nov 30 by MattinLondon |
And they can carry on using the pound in the same way that
Kosovo and Montenegro uses the Euro and some central and South American countries uses the US Dollar |
Indeed.
Although using a currency that you have no power to control is often a very bad idea and has lead to multiple defaults in South America (2 from Argentina alone).
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| Sturgie-gawd on 00:01 - Dec 1 with 1422 views | Darth_Koont |
I seem to remember you were no fan of the SNP and independence a while back.
“How low can you go?” Well,if giving health workers a boost and a reward during a pandemic is going low then I hope they go a lot lower. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 00:09 - Dec 1 with 1401 views | BluedanW |
Every decision She makes is to try and get 1 up on the English government.
We will take your 3 tiers and raise you 2.
She seems to walk on water up there but has made the exact same mistakes as we have down here.
The majority of.deaths in Scotland have been in care homes, from reintroducing covid carrying patients back into care homes | | | |
| Sturgie-gawd on 00:43 - Dec 1 with 1379 views | Kropotkin123 |
Not really a fan of the SNP. It isn't my place to comment on the independence of Scots. Unionism was their decision and if they want to be independent in the future, then that is their choice.
The issue I have is around the propaganda, which you mention in a subsequent post. They act like the whole country voted for them because they have 81% of Scotland's vote in the HoC, yet they only got 45% of the Scottish vote. The theft of other people's vote is just insane. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 06:57 - Dec 1 with 1284 views | bluelagos |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:31 - Nov 30 by J2BLUE |
If they take their share of the debt they are entitled to their share of the assets.
As for the BBC there's no real reason for that to change. If they pay their licence fees why not let the BBC represent them as well?
We would of course defend Scotland if needed as we would go to Ireland's aid as members of NATO.
The problem isn't with them having independence, the problem is with the minority who think they can leave debt free, cherry pick the bits of the UK relationship they want and keep 100% of the oil revenue.
*waits for someone to mention Brexit* |
Ireland isn't part of Nato, indeed they have a history of neutrality in conflicts.
Brexit is indeed a factor for the Scots. A hard UK brexit is a carrot ref Scotland rejoining and regaining all the economic benefits.
Perhaps the biggest Brexit issue though is it destroys the lie of an easy decoupling from the rest of the UK. Any negotiations would be difficult as all sides sort to get the best for their respective nations. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:22 - Dec 1 with 1154 views | tractordownsouth |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:25 - Nov 30 by TieDyedIn95 |
I don't understand why the Tories just don't offer them the referendum but this time actually spell out what that means which should be -
Barnett formulae gone instantly
Hard boarder with England including customs
Tariffs on Scots imports, no automatic free trade deal
No use of the Pound
No defence from the British Army, Scottish regiment immediately disbanded, no Navy and so on
They Inherit their share of the 2trillion national debt
No financial care packages - once your gone, your gone
No BBC
Scots in England have to apply for English passport/nationality, English people in Scotland don't automatically qualify for English passports/nationality
Oh and they can keep the oil and what not.
If they still vote for independence after all of that then fair play. No half measures. |
That tactic didn't work in the Brexit referendum though. There's got to be a positive case for remaining in the union. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:32 - Dec 1 with 1101 views | noggin |
| Sturgie-gawd on 22:25 - Nov 30 by TieDyedIn95 |
I don't understand why the Tories just don't offer them the referendum but this time actually spell out what that means which should be -
Barnett formulae gone instantly
Hard boarder with England including customs
Tariffs on Scots imports, no automatic free trade deal
No use of the Pound
No defence from the British Army, Scottish regiment immediately disbanded, no Navy and so on
They Inherit their share of the 2trillion national debt
No financial care packages - once your gone, your gone
No BBC
Scots in England have to apply for English passport/nationality, English people in Scotland don't automatically qualify for English passports/nationality
Oh and they can keep the oil and what not.
If they still vote for independence after all of that then fair play. No half measures. |
"Oh and they can keep the oil and what not."
Is that the oil that Thatcher sold to the dirty dollar? |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:32 - Dec 1 with 1102 views | bluelagos |
| Sturgie-gawd on 10:28 - Dec 1 by tractordownsouth |
It reminds me of the Cummings/Cumberbatch Channel 4 drama when he said that 2/3 of the electorate know which way they're going to vote in the referendum so there' no point chasing after them because it's about winning over the middle third.
The economic figures are useful but there's got to be an emotional appeal behind it too. |
It's a very simple message. Vote for Independence and never again have an English Tory governing you.
I know which way I'd vote. | |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:43 - Dec 1 with 1071 views | wkj |
Im not sure if this is a good or bad time to mention I am a member of the SNP.
balls.
end of.
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:47 - Dec 1 with 1055 views | GeoffSentence |
| Sturgie-gawd on 21:51 - Nov 30 by RegencyBlue |
I didn’t see it personally but I gather Marr absolutely roasted her in the interview yesterday. |
And that was broadcast in mainstream TV?
Mary Whitehouse will be turning in her grave. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 10:56 - Dec 1 with 1026 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sturgie-gawd on 10:32 - Dec 1 by bluelagos |
It's a very simple message. Vote for Independence and never again have an English Tory governing you.
I know which way I'd vote. |
The only real chance of Labour forming our next government is with the support of SNP. When they get a taste of power they won’t want independence. | |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 11:08 - Dec 1 with 1013 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sturgie-gawd on 10:42 - Dec 1 by Darth_Koont |
I think it’s the implicit suggestion that Scotland couldn’t survive without Westminster help which is the issue.
Any of the Nordic countries are streets ahead in GDP terms despite most of them lagging well behind 50 years ago. Being part of a centralised and severely unbalanced UK economy has penalised all the regions and its communities. |
I’ve been up here for nearly 30 years koonters and I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve met who don’t believe Scotland puts more in than it takes out. |  |
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| Sturgie-gawd on 11:09 - Dec 1 with 1014 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sturgie-gawd on 10:56 - Dec 1 by Pinewoodblue |
The only real chance of Labour forming our next government is with the support of SNP. When they get a taste of power they won’t want independence. |
Given Labour is now as establishment as the Tories and equally at odds with the SNP, then Scottish citizens would know that this sort of confidence and supply arrangement would be very short term indeed. And only useful to perhaps force a new referendum.
But that’s by the by, I can’t see Starmer and Labour being close to wiping out the Tory majority in 2024. And we’re more likely to see a new leader and direction by then instead. | |
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