| Supporters Negatvitiy 04:54 - Dec 2 with 4728 views | pennblue |
Is there not anyone that thinks that may just be an iota of truth in what PL is saying? |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:27 - Dec 2 with 2093 views | Kropotkin123 |
I don't think so. If you manage to find someone, please be kind to them. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:28 - Dec 2 with 2088 views | BlueySwede |
No.
He has a point in that we have high(er) expectancy levels, maybe too high in regards to where we are at the moment. I can get that we are still 6th, have lot of injuries, etc and some fans surely lives on in the past days of Mariner and Wark.
Still, we have been served up many years of dross..we want something to change and I think all of us agree that just changing the manager won´t do it. We need to look at our youth system (are they as good as many supporters believe, or should we maybe do something differently?), scouting network (when was the last time we found a "hidden" gem?), organization (is the right people at the right place all over the club?), injuries (do we have that many more than other clubs or is it just a feeling, if we do - why is that?), etc etc. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:30 - Dec 2 with 2080 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 06:20 - Dec 2 by pennblue |
Not supporting the regime, is more understandable. But then it depends on what you mean by regime.
"a system or ordered way of doing things"
Do you mean:
1) The fact Evan's appears to have tightened his purse strings?
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2) The fact we are now playing youngsters?
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3) The style of football we are playing?
and if so, what would your regime be? |
Can you just answer my email Lee. | |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:31 - Dec 2 with 2068 views | Herbivore |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:17 - Dec 2 by jimmyvet |
Good post...it’s all too easy to get caught up in a downward spiral of negativity and whatever people might think it will effect the playing staff and staff in general. Am I happy with Lambert’s performance no, however a reality check is that we are 5th with a lot of injuries in very difficult and different times. Football and the individuals within are not immune from having to deal with this pandemic no more than us and it has been a really tough year for everybody.
This feels like when a very vocal group wanted mick out and the outcome of that is now league 1 football which is terrible in so many way. I just don’t see sacking lambert now will make a huge difference I really don’t and perhaps a bit more calm and rationale thinking is required. |
A vocal group? 90% of the fans want him gone, it's only a very, very small group that don't want him gone and frankly I'd quite like a toke on whatever they're smoking.
The difficult circumstances apply to everyone, they aren't unique to Town, so they don't really act as mitigation for us being toss in comparison to our rivals. We are only 5th because we made hay during a kind run of early fixtures. 16 points from our opening 6 games, followed by 10 points from the next 9 games. That is not the form of a side that is going to challenge for promotion. It's the form of a side destined for lower midtable and it's all eerily familiar after last season, except our good form lasted half as long.
That's before you even get into the way that Lambert handles himself, lashing out at the press and now the fans too, alienating young players, blaming young players, then using those same young players to try and shield him from criticism.
How on earth can anyone say we should all back him? Where is there even a shred of evidence that he might be the right man to take us forward? He's been terrible on the pitch for over 2 years now and off it he's a complete jeb-end. Get rid before he takes us down to League 2. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:35]
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:32 - Dec 2 with 2076 views | WD19 |
Not really, no.
PL was keen to court the fans when he thought they might be a useful cloak for his own performance. Now he is trying to blame fans for his own performance, despite said fans not even being present at the games.
He is a complete charlatan and we need rid of him yesterday. |  | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:37 - Dec 2 with 2052 views | Herbivore |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:32 - Dec 2 by WD19 |
Not really, no.
PL was keen to court the fans when he thought they might be a useful cloak for his own performance. Now he is trying to blame fans for his own performance, despite said fans not even being present at the games.
He is a complete charlatan and we need rid of him yesterday. |
He's absolutely stealing a living here. Whether he is our worst ever manager remains a debate, but he's certainly the most clueless and quite possibly the most snide and unscrupulous as well. | |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:40 - Dec 2 with 2054 views | wkj |
Although I fundamentally disagree with point of view, the OP has asked an objective question and doesn't deserve the downers. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:40]
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:42 - Dec 2 with 2049 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
I think there is truth in it but I think thats bred out of 20 years of decline, a series of crap appointments, continued under performance on the pitch, continued struggles to beat L1 opposition with a squad that should, continued failure to get the best out of the players, continued tactical ineptness and every sign of a once great club sliding further into insignificance by the day.
In short we have every right to feel negative... we've put up with it for 20 years... enough. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:46 - Dec 2 with 2038 views | jeera |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:40 - Dec 2 by wkj |
Although I fundamentally disagree with point of view, the OP has asked an objective question and doesn't deserve the downers. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 8:40]
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Whilst also pushing it on another thread [or more?].
It's a funny one, trying to remain looking objective, while at the same time using loaded questions as and when in an effort to engineer the replies. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:57 - Dec 2 with 2030 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:24 - Dec 2 by haynes_toe1 |
We're partly in this mess because some supporters bought PR Paul hook, line and sinker as if they've never experienced someone saying something nice about them before.
As for the OP, the problem with what Lambert says is he's basically claiming all the negativity towards him is towards our younger players - when he's the only one to actually say anything negative about them. |
Again, people supported their club. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop attacking decent and long-suffering supporters for trying to raise an atmosphere and be a 12th man for their team. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:04 - Dec 2 with 2023 views | JDB23 |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 06:08 - Dec 2 by pennblue |
I don't think it is a question of whether it is unjustified or not. More about whether it is actually perpetuating our decline. |
They enjoyed some of the best support from us I’ve ever seen during the relegation season and last year. Where did they get us? A relegation with zero fight and a mid-table finish in the third division.
We are where we are because the owner, manager and players have been utter dross. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:05 - Dec 2 with 2020 views | WD19 |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:37 - Dec 2 by Herbivore |
He's absolutely stealing a living here. Whether he is our worst ever manager remains a debate, but he's certainly the most clueless and quite possibly the most snide and unscrupulous as well. |
Useless and unpleasant. It’s not a great combination.
Makes me pine for the days when managers like Jewell were useless with honour. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:16 - Dec 2 with 1998 views | davblue |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:21 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't even remember saying it but it obviously upset you so when we're next at PR I'll give you a cuddle. |
Thanks, I will look forward to that very much! |  | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:21 - Dec 2 with 1995 views | MrTown |
Players have got off a little easy actually, so not sure why he is falsely suggesting there is big problems between press/fans & players.
The blame has to be and is at his doorstep, for the horrendous 2 years he has had in charge here.
But as we have already seen this week with Hamgate, Mr Lambert is very good at laying blame at anyone else's doorstep, bar his own. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:24 - Dec 2 with 1988 views | Bluedandy |
The only people who feel positive about Town's abject predicament either support Norwich City or once managed them. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:29 - Dec 2 with 1986 views | Dyland |
There is absolutely "an iota of truth" in it. However the point he spectacularly avoids in the most disingenuous way, is that the negativity comes from him failing to make us competitive in division three, and for the scandalous neglect Evans shows. Are ITFC fans expected to just lump it, and live with being a L1/2 yoyo outfit at best? His whole argument is smoke and mirrors bollix, and a blatant diversionary tactic to try and cover his own failings, and those of Evans. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 9:29]
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:29 - Dec 2 with 1980 views | davblue |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:57 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Again, people supported their club. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop attacking decent and long-suffering supporters for trying to raise an atmosphere and be a 12th man for their team. |
Agree with this there’s nothing wrong with that. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:44 - Dec 2 with 1961 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 08:57 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Again, people supported their club. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Stop attacking decent and long-suffering supporters for trying to raise an atmosphere and be a 12th man for their team. |
Well, clearly there is something wrong with doing it on the last day of the season when you've been relegated to the third tier without putting up anything close to the resemblance of a fight - because it sends a message that failure is all good and ok at Ipswich - and the following 2 years are testament to that. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:45 - Dec 2 with 1959 views | footers |
No. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:55 - Dec 2 with 1944 views | SuperCoops |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 06:08 - Dec 2 by pennblue |
I don't think it is a question of whether it is unjustified or not. More about whether it is actually perpetuating our decline. |
Well the support he received in the first season and you could argue we didn't look like a team getting relegated from the atmosphere and support Lambert was receiving.
Did it perpetuate our survival? No. In fact, in hindsight it would have looked very odd from the outside lauding a man and a club that were getting relegated. |  | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:56 - Dec 2 with 1943 views | Dubtractor |
No, not really.
Plus I'd describe fans feelings as anger, not negativity. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:58 - Dec 2 with 1939 views | blueconscience |
Being crap for 13 years would generally create some negativity. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 9:59]
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 10:03 - Dec 2 with 1927 views | SuperCoops |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 09:58 - Dec 2 by blueconscience |
Being crap for 13 years would generally create some negativity. [Post edited 2 Dec 2020 9:59]
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For me, it's not so much "being crap" but the real lack of confidence or sign that things have a clear game plan that just need fine tuning to get right.
There's literally no sign of any progress at all, and there's nothing to show that it might change any time. Almost just going through the clueless motions. | | | |
| Supporters Negatvitiy on 10:06 - Dec 2 with 1921 views | Pinewoodblue |
He is basically saying get off the back of the kids* I wouldn’t be playing them if we didn’t have so many injuries they are doing their best. Results will get better when I don’t have to use them.
Just imagine how negative that sort of attitude must seem to our younger players.
* if there is anything that will annoy a young player it is being called a kid. They are adults.
On the subject of kids look no further than Liverpool. The keeper last night was in goal for Liverpool U21’s in Trophy game this season. The only goal of the game was scored by another youngster and it was another academy player who assisted. |  |
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| Supporters Negatvitiy on 10:17 - Dec 2 with 1912 views | itfcjoe |
I think if you were to look at this season in isolation it could be argued - 5th or so in the league, despite huge injury list etc.
But it isn't possible to look at this season in isolation.
People talking about the atmosphere under Mick, it was never this united against him - because Mick and those backing him could point to the results.
There is literally nothing Lambert can point to for support now, all the good off field stuff he did is being rapidly undone at a rate of knots. |  |
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