| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... 08:16 - Dec 7 with 4675 views | itfcjoe |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:02 - Dec 7 with 1076 views | SitfcB |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 09:59 - Dec 7 by Manchesterblue |
Because Sandy Martin was great |
At least he was an Ipswich man and had emotional attachment for things.
I doubt Tom Hunt had ever stepped foot into Ipswich before becoming the MP. |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:15 - Dec 7 with 1044 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 08:45 - Dec 7 by tractordownsouth |
He always seems to spend more time defending racists than those who suffer racist abuse - and that’s before we even get into the antisemitism which would have got him kicked out of the Tory Party under any other leader.
Roll on 2024 when Hunt can go and get a job at Guido Fawkes and Ipswich can get an adult as MP again. |
Reminds me of someone else on here. |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:17 - Dec 7 with 1044 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 09:59 - Dec 7 by Manchesterblue |
Because Sandy Martin was great |
He pretty much was actually. Cared about Ipswich. Tom Hunt still can't find Ipswich on a map. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:50 - Dec 7 with 1010 views | BlueBadger |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:15 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
Reminds me of someone else on here. |
What sort of terrible individual would take such an obnoxious pazition? |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:51 - Dec 7 with 1008 views | BlueBadger |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 10:23 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
Can you link me one example of Sandy Martin standing up for racists on Twitter or voting against providing food for deprived children?
Just one. |
Two and half hours plus. No examples of Sandy Martin being 'just as bad', I see. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:18]
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:52 - Dec 7 with 1004 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 10:30 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
It's an interesting equivalence isn't it, suggesting that an MP who openly sides with racists is as 'bad' as one who didn't. |
The same folks thought the MP that Angela Rayner made an unpleasant remark towards was a bigger victim than hungry kids or those who experience racism. |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:54 - Dec 7 with 989 views | footers |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:51 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
Two and half hours plus. No examples of Sandy Martin being 'just as bad', I see. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:18]
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You can't ask Brexiteers for evidence, it's unfair bullying. |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:57 - Dec 7 with 979 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 11:01 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
I actually think this is one of the most dangerous aspects of Trumpian and current UK politics. It almost feels like they are deliberately trying to erode trust in politics because it enables this kind of equivalence. If all trust in politics is eroded then what does it matter if you vote for the self interested racist? The socially conscious anti-racist is just as bad after all, none of them are to be trusted. This erosion of trust ultimately only benefits the unscrupulous manipulators and it is very worrying to see people not only parrot it but genuinely believe it. |
They're doing it with Brexit as well. The other day Simon Clarke MP was debating Rory Stewart on Politics Live about the Foreign Aid cut, and Clarke accused Stewart of being a Brexit blocker. Stewart was in favour of a compromise but he was always solidly against a 2nd vote. The current Tory parliamentary party has become so cult-like that anyone who disagrees with the hardest of hard Brexits is seen as a traitor, and viewed with the same disdain as those who wanted to revoke A50.
Similar to how Trump is claiming that Republican officials who endorsed him in the campaign aren't loyal purely because they haven't supported his tinfoil hat conspiracies about election fraud. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:57 - Dec 7 with 979 views | BlueBadger |
'BLM is being shoved down our throats' say fans watching their 748th advert for gambling firms on Sky. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:06 - Dec 7 with 946 views | Herbivore |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 12:57 - Dec 7 by tractordownsouth |
They're doing it with Brexit as well. The other day Simon Clarke MP was debating Rory Stewart on Politics Live about the Foreign Aid cut, and Clarke accused Stewart of being a Brexit blocker. Stewart was in favour of a compromise but he was always solidly against a 2nd vote. The current Tory parliamentary party has become so cult-like that anyone who disagrees with the hardest of hard Brexits is seen as a traitor, and viewed with the same disdain as those who wanted to revoke A50.
Similar to how Trump is claiming that Republican officials who endorsed him in the campaign aren't loyal purely because they haven't supported his tinfoil hat conspiracies about election fraud. |
And the fact is that a hardest of hard Brexits wasn't even on the table in 2016. Even the likes of Farage were tweeting about the virtues of a Norway style deal. Then all of a sudden we end up with a series of incompatible red lines that make a deal more or less impossible. They can all burn, quite frankly, as can anyone that was duped by them. |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:10 - Dec 7 with 937 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:06 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
And the fact is that a hardest of hard Brexits wasn't even on the table in 2016. Even the likes of Farage were tweeting about the virtues of a Norway style deal. Then all of a sudden we end up with a series of incompatible red lines that make a deal more or less impossible. They can all burn, quite frankly, as can anyone that was duped by them. |
We went from keeping SM access, to leaving the SM and CU with an FTA and now to possibly nothing. In hindsight, Cameron should never have made concessions with his right wingers, because seemingly nothing is ever enough for them. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:15 - Dec 7 with 927 views | Herbivore |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:10 - Dec 7 by tractordownsouth |
We went from keeping SM access, to leaving the SM and CU with an FTA and now to possibly nothing. In hindsight, Cameron should never have made concessions with his right wingers, because seemingly nothing is ever enough for them. |
If we end up without a deal, I wonder how long it'll take the rabid loons to start calling for war on the French when the reality of our economy and society going to sh!t really hits? We know they won't take any responsibility for the mess themselves, and a good old patriotic war always gets people onside. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:16 - Dec 7 with 919 views | Vic |
Is it possible to disagree with some aspects of the BLM Agenda without being a racist? |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:17 - Dec 7 with 912 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:16 - Dec 7 by Vic |
Is it possible to disagree with some aspects of the BLM Agenda without being a racist? |
Which ones? | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:17 - Dec 7 with 906 views | BlueBadger |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:16 - Dec 7 by Vic |
Is it possible to disagree with some aspects of the BLM Agenda without being a racist? |
Which part of the 'lets do something about racism' agenda do you find disagreeable? | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:18 - Dec 7 with 896 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:17 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
Which part of the 'lets do something about racism' agenda do you find disagreeable? |
Something something Marxism. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:19 - Dec 7 with 895 views | tractordownsouth |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:16 - Dec 7 by Vic |
Is it possible to disagree with some aspects of the BLM Agenda without being a racist? |
The wider policies are fine to disagree with - the anti-capitalism and defund the police stuff for example. But that's not why players take the knee, it's a gesture of racial equality. So if someone boos the knee then chances are they're racist. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:22 - Dec 7 with 866 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:19 - Dec 7 by tractordownsouth |
The wider policies are fine to disagree with - the anti-capitalism and defund the police stuff for example. But that's not why players take the knee, it's a gesture of racial equality. So if someone boos the knee then chances are they're racist. |
Quite, it's absurd to try and claim the great thinkers of Millwall FC are booing to signal their disagreement about policy detail, rather than them just having a jolly afternoon out booing some uppity Blacks.
Defunding the police is largely a Conservative position anyway. Maybe they should go boo outside the Houses of Parliament if they care so much? [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:23]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:25 - Dec 7 with 855 views | StokieBlue |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:18 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
Something something Marxism. |
There is an issue here though Spruce.
People do seriously believe this (usually older people) and there needs to be some effort made to find a way to explain what BLM actually means to this generation.
To them it's no different to the struggles of poor white people and a way needs to be found to show how it's a deeper issue that that. Stated aims like "defund the police" actually scare some people because they don't really understand what is involved and the headline text isn't great.
The messaging needed to be clearer in the beginning because a lot of people won't dig too deep and now those people have found their alternative sources and are going to be hard to bring on board.
None of the above applies to idiots at Millwall etc but it is a larger issue which needs to be discussed.
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:27 - Dec 7 with 833 views | Herbivore |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:16 - Dec 7 by Vic |
Is it possible to disagree with some aspects of the BLM Agenda without being a racist? |
Of course, but I'd be interested to hear the alternative agenda that you'd suggest to help them bring about their aims of ending discrimination and structural violence against Black people. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:28 - Dec 7 with 827 views | Vic |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:17 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
Which part of the 'lets do something about racism' agenda do you find disagreeable? |
I despise racism in all its forms and guises. So I have absolutely no problem with ‘Let’s do something about racism’ I’m all for it!
But I’m not a fan of Marxism, which from what I’ve read of the movement seems pretty much entwined with the anti racism message. So I find myself conflicted - I agree with the racism thing, but not the politics. Not sure where that leaves me! But maybe I’ve just got it wrong. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:30]
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:28 - Dec 7 with 827 views | wkj |
I just saw a video of Tom Hunt without know who it is. I thought it was a sh*t Boris Johnson parody. |  |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:28 - Dec 7 with 823 views | BlueBadger |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:25 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
There is an issue here though Spruce.
People do seriously believe this (usually older people) and there needs to be some effort made to find a way to explain what BLM actually means to this generation.
To them it's no different to the struggles of poor white people and a way needs to be found to show how it's a deeper issue that that. Stated aims like "defund the police" actually scare some people because they don't really understand what is involved and the headline text isn't great.
The messaging needed to be clearer in the beginning because a lot of people won't dig too deep and now those people have found their alternative sources and are going to be hard to bring on board.
None of the above applies to idiots at Millwall etc but it is a larger issue which needs to be discussed.
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I have some sympathy with this - 'defund the police' is a pretty cack-handed mission statement.
'REFORM the police' or 'better police training' is much more 'cuddly' sounding message. | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:32 - Dec 7 with 805 views | footers |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:25 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
There is an issue here though Spruce.
People do seriously believe this (usually older people) and there needs to be some effort made to find a way to explain what BLM actually means to this generation.
To them it's no different to the struggles of poor white people and a way needs to be found to show how it's a deeper issue that that. Stated aims like "defund the police" actually scare some people because they don't really understand what is involved and the headline text isn't great.
The messaging needed to be clearer in the beginning because a lot of people won't dig too deep and now those people have found their alternative sources and are going to be hard to bring on board.
None of the above applies to idiots at Millwall etc but it is a larger issue which needs to be discussed.
SB [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:25]
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"To them it's no different to the struggles of poor white people and a way needs to be found to show how it's a deeper issue that that."
Sounds like a good dose of Marxism is exactly what they need. Class solidarity! | |
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| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:34 - Dec 7 with 796 views | SpruceMoose |
| Tom Hunt - surprising absolutely no one here.... on 13:25 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
There is an issue here though Spruce.
People do seriously believe this (usually older people) and there needs to be some effort made to find a way to explain what BLM actually means to this generation.
To them it's no different to the struggles of poor white people and a way needs to be found to show how it's a deeper issue that that. Stated aims like "defund the police" actually scare some people because they don't really understand what is involved and the headline text isn't great.
The messaging needed to be clearer in the beginning because a lot of people won't dig too deep and now those people have found their alternative sources and are going to be hard to bring on board.
None of the above applies to idiots at Millwall etc but it is a larger issue which needs to be discussed.
SB [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 13:25]
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I'm not sure these older people are ever going to change. They've lived through the age of civil rights and yet somehow they are still on the fence about racism? Maybe the cure for them is to just let them die out in time. You quite possibly have as much chance of changing them as you do of getting HarryPalmer to have the Covid vaccine.
I do agree though, Defund the Police is a tough slogan to sell especially when it is so easily twisted by those with an agenda. But underlying the slogan is a very simple aim and a very simple concept that is easily explained in a sentence or two. I have seen the concept repeatedly explained to people and still the aim gets misrepresented by them. I have to ask how much of the misunderstanding is willful?
Call me a cynic but we are back at trying to explain simple facts to entrenched people who have no intention of changing their point of view. It's just a rerun of Brexit/Austerity/Trump etc. I'm left wondering how much this concern about Marxism or Defunding the Police is just a fig leaf for good old fashioned racism. | |
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