| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? 16:23 - Dec 10 with 4648 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
"In the Championship this year alone there are seven clubs with over £40 million each of parachute money. This makes a huge difference and a gap which we will only bridge through the continuing patient redevelopment of every aspect of the club and hopefully a fairer, more sensible system for revenue sharing across the game for its own good at all levels." |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 16:46 - Dec 10 with 4576 views | J2BLUE |
If his new strategy is tread water until the game changes around us then we might as well give up. Although his last strategy wasn't exactly a world beater either. |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 16:47 - Dec 10 with 4572 views | SomethingBlue |
There is a lot of fine sentiment in his statement and good reasoning too. Sadly, "hopefully" doesn't cut it and overall it's just quixotic and nothing more — we cannot afford to wait around for something that isn't going to come any time soon. |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 17:15 - Dec 10 with 4485 views | MattinLondon |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 16:46 - Dec 10 by J2BLUE |
If his new strategy is tread water until the game changes around us then we might as well give up. Although his last strategy wasn't exactly a world beater either. |
He had a strategy? |  | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 23:31 - Dec 10 with 4200 views | eddiespearitt03 |
Evans should not even mention the word "Championship". Does he really believe we could hold our own in the Championship ? | | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 23:36 - Dec 10 with 4189 views | ElderGrizzly |
There is talk of an £18m salary cap coming to the Championship. That is the game changer for us. We were spending that in our latter years.
If we ever get back up of course. [Post edited 10 Dec 2020 23:37]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 01:49 - Dec 11 with 4126 views | bournemouthblue |
We are one of the biggest victims of the parachute payment system
I suppose ironically it was beefed up to stop future issues like we suffered along with Derby and a lesser extent Leicester
Derby despite the money they have thrown at it, have managed one Premier season in these 18 seasons
Leicester had managed few before the Thai owners came in and really transformed them. They are back in the Prem and doing very very well indeed, fair play to them.
If you fail to get back into the Prem after three seasons, it's a long way back, especially when you are literally playing against 8 clubs a season who have an unfair financial advantage
When Evans first came in, he was a counter to the parachute payments that these clubs were getting, sadly the money got bigger and bigger, whilst Evans got tighter and started to cut off field costs. The rest is history sadly
We look miles of Championship standard sadly, let alone Premiership football
We are Ipswich, we should be competing at the top end of the Championship and we should be playing in the Premiership every now and then, like Norwich are managing, albeit limply. It's far better than we can muster sadly and that is embarassing to be brutally honest.
Who'd have thought we'd be playing two divisions below the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley and Watford when we were beating Inter Milan back in the early naughties? [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 1:51]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 07:21 - Dec 11 with 4052 views | Chrisd |
This once again highlights why we aren't doing anything under ME and continue to regress. When you're building the future of the club on 'hope' that says it all really. As an owner, he just seems incapable of showing any leadership to get us out of this malaise and is relying on something outside of his control for a change, instead of being proactive himself and driving us forwards. [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 7:40]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 08:42 - Dec 11 with 3984 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 16:47 - Dec 10 by SomethingBlue |
There is a lot of fine sentiment in his statement and good reasoning too. Sadly, "hopefully" doesn't cut it and overall it's just quixotic and nothing more — we cannot afford to wait around for something that isn't going to come any time soon. |
I had to look up "quixotic." A very interesting word! |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 08:49 - Dec 11 with 3974 views | Kropotkin123 |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 16:47 - Dec 10 by SomethingBlue |
There is a lot of fine sentiment in his statement and good reasoning too. Sadly, "hopefully" doesn't cut it and overall it's just quixotic and nothing more — we cannot afford to wait around for something that isn't going to come any time soon. |
"quixotic" - New word. Thank you. |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 08:59 - Dec 11 with 3947 views | haynes_toe1 |
The whole statement was a complete cringe fest.
The OP's point is a valid one but it's not even that for me, he's complaining about parachute payments which had he appointed a decent manager at the right time or when he had done in Mick, given him some f*cking money to spend we could benefit from that.
Parachute payments are essentially a reward for getting promoted (and then relegated, of course). They're not just given out to some select clubs and we're unlucky not to have been picked out at the raffle.
Then apologising for something he literally said the week before only to...say the exact same thing again is just hilarious.
Unfortunately I think he's realised all it takes is a statement with some nice words and half our fanbase turn back into supporting him / the manager. | | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 09:42 - Dec 11 with 3878 views | PassionNotAnger |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 01:49 - Dec 11 by bournemouthblue |
We are one of the biggest victims of the parachute payment system
I suppose ironically it was beefed up to stop future issues like we suffered along with Derby and a lesser extent Leicester
Derby despite the money they have thrown at it, have managed one Premier season in these 18 seasons
Leicester had managed few before the Thai owners came in and really transformed them. They are back in the Prem and doing very very well indeed, fair play to them.
If you fail to get back into the Prem after three seasons, it's a long way back, especially when you are literally playing against 8 clubs a season who have an unfair financial advantage
When Evans first came in, he was a counter to the parachute payments that these clubs were getting, sadly the money got bigger and bigger, whilst Evans got tighter and started to cut off field costs. The rest is history sadly
We look miles of Championship standard sadly, let alone Premiership football
We are Ipswich, we should be competing at the top end of the Championship and we should be playing in the Premiership every now and then, like Norwich are managing, albeit limply. It's far better than we can muster sadly and that is embarassing to be brutally honest.
Who'd have thought we'd be playing two divisions below the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley and Watford when we were beating Inter Milan back in the early naughties? [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 1:51]
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What a load of self-entitled rubbish
" we are biggest victims"
"we are Ipswich, we should be competing and top end of Championship"
"we should be playing in the Premiership every now and then"
"we were beating Inter Milan back in the early naughties"
FFS sake each team in each of the divisions is there because the results they've achieved in the prior season - 40+ games, home and away like every other club. Sometimes clubs get good new owners (Leicester), sometimes they get shocking ones (Bury, Wigan), some fans even get involved (Wycombe) - occasionally an owner gets managerial appt spot on (Bournemouth) others muck it up massively (Ipswich?) but anyone believing their club deserves more because of their history, the size of their stadium or the size of their attendances is delusional. The "here and now" is the result of performances and actions - what actually happened - the future is the most important and can be determined by doing the best you can with the resources you have, the investment you can source, the right personal etc, not by looking in a dusty trophy cabinet or at results of matches decades again | | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 15:50 - Dec 27 with 3634 views | bournemouthblue |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 09:42 - Dec 11 by PassionNotAnger |
What a load of self-entitled rubbish
" we are biggest victims"
"we are Ipswich, we should be competing and top end of Championship"
"we should be playing in the Premiership every now and then"
"we were beating Inter Milan back in the early naughties"
FFS sake each team in each of the divisions is there because the results they've achieved in the prior season - 40+ games, home and away like every other club. Sometimes clubs get good new owners (Leicester), sometimes they get shocking ones (Bury, Wigan), some fans even get involved (Wycombe) - occasionally an owner gets managerial appt spot on (Bournemouth) others muck it up massively (Ipswich?) but anyone believing their club deserves more because of their history, the size of their stadium or the size of their attendances is delusional. The "here and now" is the result of performances and actions - what actually happened - the future is the most important and can be determined by doing the best you can with the resources you have, the investment you can source, the right personal etc, not by looking in a dusty trophy cabinet or at results of matches decades again |
This is a club that should be competing at the top end of the Championship though, I don't dispute the apalling state of the club currently but this is a club who should be looking to get out of the Championship, that's our natural shelf. There's nothing controversial about that.
It wasn't so long ago that our worst finish for 50 years was 15th in the Championship!
What a mess we are in now, there's no doubt that various circumstances have been against us over the last 20 years, many down to our own mistakes and others down to outside factors
If we fail to get up this season for example, we'll be hamstrung by the new League One rules kicking in and it isn't going to be pretty! [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 16:44]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 17:50 - Dec 27 with 3349 views | HARRY10 |
How much of that is tied up on PL contracts with players that got them relegated, and no one else wants because of those contracts being unaffordable ? | | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 20:44 - Dec 27 with 3205 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 15:50 - Dec 27 by bournemouthblue |
This is a club that should be competing at the top end of the Championship though, I don't dispute the apalling state of the club currently but this is a club who should be looking to get out of the Championship, that's our natural shelf. There's nothing controversial about that.
It wasn't so long ago that our worst finish for 50 years was 15th in the Championship!
What a mess we are in now, there's no doubt that various circumstances have been against us over the last 20 years, many down to our own mistakes and others down to outside factors
If we fail to get up this season for example, we'll be hamstrung by the new League One rules kicking in and it isn't going to be pretty! [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 16:44]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 21:29 - Dec 27 with 3142 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 08:59 - Dec 11 by haynes_toe1 |
The whole statement was a complete cringe fest.
The OP's point is a valid one but it's not even that for me, he's complaining about parachute payments which had he appointed a decent manager at the right time or when he had done in Mick, given him some f*cking money to spend we could benefit from that.
Parachute payments are essentially a reward for getting promoted (and then relegated, of course). They're not just given out to some select clubs and we're unlucky not to have been picked out at the raffle.
Then apologising for something he literally said the week before only to...say the exact same thing again is just hilarious.
Unfortunately I think he's realised all it takes is a statement with some nice words and half our fanbase turn back into supporting him / the manager. |
Genuine question - what would Mick have acquired in that January that he didn’t end up getting?
The absolute rewrite of history with that season typically misses that we brought in Sears and he scored a good amount of goals. Wood should have been brought in earlier maybe.
Much more of an issue was the Southampton FA cup game and the decision to play anything other than the reserves, and Mcgoldrick obviously got injured didn’t he. He was head and shoulders above most in the division and that injury did it for us without a doubt. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 21:31]
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 03:01 - Dec 28 with 2962 views | textbackup |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 21:29 - Dec 27 by PrideOfTheEast |
Genuine question - what would Mick have acquired in that January that he didn’t end up getting?
The absolute rewrite of history with that season typically misses that we brought in Sears and he scored a good amount of goals. Wood should have been brought in earlier maybe.
Much more of an issue was the Southampton FA cup game and the decision to play anything other than the reserves, and Mcgoldrick obviously got injured didn’t he. He was head and shoulders above most in the division and that injury did it for us without a doubt. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 21:31]
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I think we were crying out for another midfield spark. Bishop was great, but at the time only 18 (I think) a quality prem loan in jan could have really pushed us over the line.
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 06:50 - Dec 28 with 2899 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 03:01 - Dec 28 by textbackup |
I think we were crying out for another midfield spark. Bishop was great, but at the time only 18 (I think) a quality prem loan in jan could have really pushed us over the line.
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Yep. Forget who it was now (maybe Knockart although I could be getting years mixed up) but they were very close with somebody and the player I think opted out at the last minute which left us stuck. The money was instead spent on Wood I think. | | | |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 09:25 - Dec 28 with 2798 views | itfcjoe |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 06:50 - Dec 28 by PrideOfTheEast |
Yep. Forget who it was now (maybe Knockart although I could be getting years mixed up) but they were very close with somebody and the player I think opted out at the last minute which left us stuck. The money was instead spent on Wood I think. |
We were close to Knockaert, the thing that killed me was that instead of signing Wood in January (or someone else) to ensure that they couldn't be recalled, we signed him on a 93 day loan when the window shut and he could be recalled.
He started slowly, getting up to fitness, but thought what him and Murphy gave us at Watford away was a really different outlook.......and then he went back to sit on Leicester's bench after we'd done the grunt work of getting him fit enough to make an impact. |  |
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| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 12:36 - Dec 28 with 2665 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| But we're not in the fecking Championship, are we? on 01:49 - Dec 11 by bournemouthblue |
We are one of the biggest victims of the parachute payment system
I suppose ironically it was beefed up to stop future issues like we suffered along with Derby and a lesser extent Leicester
Derby despite the money they have thrown at it, have managed one Premier season in these 18 seasons
Leicester had managed few before the Thai owners came in and really transformed them. They are back in the Prem and doing very very well indeed, fair play to them.
If you fail to get back into the Prem after three seasons, it's a long way back, especially when you are literally playing against 8 clubs a season who have an unfair financial advantage
When Evans first came in, he was a counter to the parachute payments that these clubs were getting, sadly the money got bigger and bigger, whilst Evans got tighter and started to cut off field costs. The rest is history sadly
We look miles of Championship standard sadly, let alone Premiership football
We are Ipswich, we should be competing at the top end of the Championship and we should be playing in the Premiership every now and then, like Norwich are managing, albeit limply. It's far better than we can muster sadly and that is embarassing to be brutally honest.
Who'd have thought we'd be playing two divisions below the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley and Watford when we were beating Inter Milan back in the early naughties? [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 1:51]
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Since our relegation in the mid-80's we've managed just 5 top flight seasons in 35 years. That suggests we shouldn't be having the odd season in the Premier League like Norwich have, and that all this guff about poor Marcus and poor Ipswich aside, we're performing about the standard we should be for a club that has aspired to so little in the past 15 years or so. That statement suggests he gleefully won't be spending a penny more on Ipswich than he ahs to, and will wait for the game to change before he hopes to see any success. If that's not a direct call for our supporters to turn away and let the man rot on his throne in an empty court, I don't know what else is. He's basically telling us he plans to do nothing. Great.
The parachute payments thing is a myth Evans created as cover for his own failings. We have had clubs come up who have NEVER played in the Premier League and NEVER received a penny of parachute money with smaller incomes and fanbases than ourselves go up in Swansea, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Wigan, Stoke, Brighton and so on. Some have done well and had a sustained period up there. Leeds had parachute payments, as did Southampton and Norwich and they still ended up in League One.
The reason we haven't been promoted is because of the total lack of leadership and frankly laughable levels of investment from Evans. It's entirely his fault, not the Premier League boogeyman he's created as cover. |  |
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