| Lambert's tactics..... 13:39 - Dec 11 with 2241 views | itfcjoe |
Talking about the Youth Cup game:
Lambert says academy coaches, such as Adem Atay, who runs the U18s, need to get their sides to play in the same manner as the first team.
“What we’re trying to do is get the kids to be comfortable with the ball, that’s apparent and play the same way as the first team and have the movements,” he said.
“The academy coaches for me, they have to develop what the first team do. I think that’s important for me.
“I watched Adem do a CPD [Continuous Professional Development session] with the kids. Was it 100 per cent the way I wanted it? No, but has he got an idea of it? Yes, he has got an idea of how we want to play.
“Do the kids have an idea, more importantly? Yes, they have an idea how I want them to play.
After we beat Accrington Stanley in January
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/lambert-on-4-1-win-against-accrington-2638740
Q: You definitely got that intensity back today didn't you?
A: We've dominated games before without getting the break. As I said the other day, we had 73 penalty box entries against Bristol Rovers. Today will have probably been the same, but we were clinical this time. That was the difference.
Q: We saw the centre-backs bombing on today...
A: That's what I'm saying, there's a lot of nonsense. Absolute b******s it is. B******s. It really it. You've got to get it our of your head. Systems don't win games, players do. We work on it one week and win 4-1.
Q: So tell us what you worked on for this game...
A: A different way of playing. It's amazing. Players were great. Really, really good.
Q: By a different way of playing, are we talking about the centre-backs getting forwards?
A: You talk about systems, so you tell me. I'll let you explain it. It's your idea, not the public's. You explain to me the way we played.
Q: Three at the back, wing-backs, three in midfield, two up front...
A: We played four in midfield and I played one off the front two. So how did we play? What happened? How did we score?
Q: We've seen two goals from defenders breaking forwards...
A: You don't need to be a genius to work that out do you?
Q: It was a bit like the way Sheffield United play...
A: Listen, if we get anywhere near how Sheffield United play then we're doing alright.
Q: Your defenders created a lot of opportunities today.
A: They did. Woolfy was excellent.
Q: So that's something you've worked on for the first time this week - the two wide centre-backs looking to contribute more in an attacking sense?
A: Yeah. A couple of days.
Q: Does that bear any correlation to what Marcus Evans has been saying about style of play in today's programme?
A: Marcus wanting us to play silky football, is that what he wants? And then we lose games.
Q: Well he's been talking about style of play.
A: Marcus came up with that system did he? The next game Marcus can sit here. For the next game me and Marcus can swap roles. I'll take that every day of the week! I'll take the yachts, the planes, all the holidays and I'll let him sit here. Listen. I guarantee if the football club gets promoted not playing great football he'll be the first one to jump over the moon.
You've got to try and win. You can play silky, silky, silky and lose. The game is about winning. What do you play professional sport for? I was brought up in an era where I had to win. Thank God I had trophies coming out of my ears. I won the biggest things in Europe, the biggest titles. I know what it is to win. I can look back and see a lot of trophies for sure.
How does an experienced manager have such an about turn with philosophy, where now there is only one way of playing, that it is perfect, that every team in the club has to learn this way.....
And when he talks about 72 entries in the box v Bristol Rovers, we are the 4th lowest for entries int he box in the division this season.
The xG tables currently have us as 4th lowest in the league full stop from where I get mine from.
What is it about this style that he thinks is going to almost become a cheat code when/if it clicks? I don't understand how someone who changed formation every single game last year can then become so dogmatic and tied to something else.
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:44 - Dec 11 with 1673 views | SpruceMoose |
Reading his own words, it is extremely clear the extent to which Lambert is a petty, insecure, fraction of a man. He just sounds like he's scrambling, terrified that he's going to be found out (Narrator: He has been). [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 13:44]
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:48 - Dec 11 with 1654 views | J2BLUE |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:44 - Dec 11 by SpruceMoose |
Reading his own words, it is extremely clear the extent to which Lambert is a petty, insecure, fraction of a man. He just sounds like he's scrambling, terrified that he's going to be found out (Narrator: He has been). [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 13:44]
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His latest interview made me laugh. Saying it was the media who put pressure on him but he doesn't feel it.
Actions speak louder than words and Phil's ban remains. Clearly he's incredibly thin skinned and this forum bothers him. Then he's taken it out on Phil. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:48 - Dec 11 with 1646 views | Dubtractor |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:44 - Dec 11 by SpruceMoose |
Reading his own words, it is extremely clear the extent to which Lambert is a petty, insecure, fraction of a man. He just sounds like he's scrambling, terrified that he's going to be found out (Narrator: He has been). [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 13:44]
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As has been said before, if you're at the top of your game (Mourinho, Klopp, Fergie etc) you can be snippy with the media and get away with it as you're getting results on the pitch.
After 2 years of failure just a little bit of humility wouldn't be a bad idea would it? |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:49 - Dec 11 with 1633 views | J2BLUE |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:48 - Dec 11 by Dubtractor |
As has been said before, if you're at the top of your game (Mourinho, Klopp, Fergie etc) you can be snippy with the media and get away with it as you're getting results on the pitch.
After 2 years of failure just a little bit of humility wouldn't be a bad idea would it? |
Klopp's veil has slipped recently. He's a great character when it's all going his way and he has no complaints. When it isn't... | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:55 - Dec 11 with 1589 views | Chrisd |
It’s ok to have a system of play you have faith in and I do like the theory that all our sides play in the same manner so players can move comfortably from one age group to another and they understand their role, although the first team remains the most important commodity. However, we don’t play it that effectively and we continue to make those same errors game, after game. What do the coaching staff and players work on in training? I’d like to say that I can see us growing into that favoured 4-3-3 system, but we still appear a side scratching around trying to make this system work rather than it blossoming naturally. Then when something isn’t working we should have a Plan B to counter threats, we don’t. PL seems reluctant to explore this avenue unless his hand is forced which I find strange. [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 14:00]
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 with 1575 views | Chrisd |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:48 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
His latest interview made me laugh. Saying it was the media who put pressure on him but he doesn't feel it.
Actions speak louder than words and Phil's ban remains. Clearly he's incredibly thin skinned and this forum bothers him. Then he's taken it out on Phil. |
When someone openly says they are this or that invariably they aren’t. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 with 1576 views | SouperJim |
I'm not sure I'm getting you here joe. From both sets of comments, Lambert appears to be talking about a style of play, patterns and movements in terms of how we use the ball. Not formations. The post-Accrington comments he's specifically talking about the media/fan fixation with formation, when it's style of play and those patterns etc which count.
Makes sense to me, so I don't really see that he's gone from saying one thing to something completely different?
I think he appears to be frustrated by Marcus' level of involvement in exactly what he wants the style to be, as has been reported on here by Phil and others, Evans was very hands-on over the summer and has told Lambert he wants passing football. Where as Lambert knows, as most competent managers do, that you need to mix it up a bit and not be too one-dimensional or you become predictable and easy to beat.
Please beat me over the head with it if there's something I'm not seeing here. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 with 1572 views | Herbivore |
It's pretty obvious that he just doesn't have a clue. He's basically hoping for the best. It's clear he doesn't really have a strategy or way of playing that he implements through good coaching, but he's also not a man manager who can get teams to work based on unity and team spirit. He's just flailing around praying that something clicks. He's also an arsehole, his tone with the press shows him up as being deeply insecure. Why else would he need to tell them every fooking week that he's won everything and played at massive clubs? He's football's own Uncle Albert. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:02 - Dec 11 with 1536 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 by SouperJim |
I'm not sure I'm getting you here joe. From both sets of comments, Lambert appears to be talking about a style of play, patterns and movements in terms of how we use the ball. Not formations. The post-Accrington comments he's specifically talking about the media/fan fixation with formation, when it's style of play and those patterns etc which count.
Makes sense to me, so I don't really see that he's gone from saying one thing to something completely different?
I think he appears to be frustrated by Marcus' level of involvement in exactly what he wants the style to be, as has been reported on here by Phil and others, Evans was very hands-on over the summer and has told Lambert he wants passing football. Where as Lambert knows, as most competent managers do, that you need to mix it up a bit and not be too one-dimensional or you become predictable and easy to beat.
Please beat me over the head with it if there's something I'm not seeing here. |
Please don't use "Lambert" and "competent managers" in the same sentence. If he knows mixing it up is important it seems rather odd that he's not tried to do that at all this season. I know Marcus had a word, but no "competent manager" would accept being told how to do their job by someone who organises conferences for a living and I seriously doubt he'd be religiously sticking to one way of playing purely because a conference organiser said that he should. The more likely explanation is that Lambert is hopeless at his job. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:02 - Dec 11 with 1533 views | footers |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:48 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
His latest interview made me laugh. Saying it was the media who put pressure on him but he doesn't feel it.
Actions speak louder than words and Phil's ban remains. Clearly he's incredibly thin skinned and this forum bothers him. Then he's taken it out on Phil. |
Clearly a battenberg man enraged by the views on here. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:03 - Dec 11 with 1520 views | Chrisd |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
It's pretty obvious that he just doesn't have a clue. He's basically hoping for the best. It's clear he doesn't really have a strategy or way of playing that he implements through good coaching, but he's also not a man manager who can get teams to work based on unity and team spirit. He's just flailing around praying that something clicks. He's also an arsehole, his tone with the press shows him up as being deeply insecure. Why else would he need to tell them every fooking week that he's won everything and played at massive clubs? He's football's own Uncle Albert. |
It highlights his own insecurities with his repeated rhetoric. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:08 - Dec 11 with 1490 views | tractorboy1978 |
IMO he has cottoned onto the fact that the academy/how it links to the first team and consistency of style/approach are 'buzz topics' with ME and he is playing his hand accordingly. It's self preservation to keep himself in a job, nothing more and nothing less. Say the right things and do the right things. He'd change tact tomorrow if it would strengthen his hand. | | | |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:20 - Dec 11 with 1447 views | jayessess |
Please for the love of God keep him away from the academy. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:20 - Dec 11 with 1444 views | portmanroadblue |
Its great having a style/system and passing it through the acadamies, but you still need to work on alternatives, should always have a plan B and C. could be as simple as man marking to swapping from 3-4-3 to 4-4-2. |  | | |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:31 - Dec 11 with 1395 views | TheIpswichWay |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:55 - Dec 11 by Chrisd |
It’s ok to have a system of play you have faith in and I do like the theory that all our sides play in the same manner so players can move comfortably from one age group to another and they understand their role, although the first team remains the most important commodity. However, we don’t play it that effectively and we continue to make those same errors game, after game. What do the coaching staff and players work on in training? I’d like to say that I can see us growing into that favoured 4-3-3 system, but we still appear a side scratching around trying to make this system work rather than it blossoming naturally. Then when something isn’t working we should have a Plan B to counter threats, we don’t. PL seems reluctant to explore this avenue unless his hand is forced which I find strange. [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 14:00]
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What's interesting is the quotes from Adem Atay after the FA Youth Cup comeback win over Fulham last week - "And in the second half it was a completely different looking team. We changed shape, we wanted to secure things up centrally but give us our width and penetrate from those areas and credit to the boys because they didn’t just win the game but they won it with style" so he has got a Plan B and the courage to use it whereas Lambert has spent a lot of the season making like for like changes and sticking to a rigid formation and approach. Joe's quote in the OP could even be construed as Lambert having a dig at Atay for not following his mantra fully but I'd be more comfortable with Atay's approach than PL's. | | | |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:37 - Dec 11 with 1378 views | BlueBadger |
And that's why we need him out. His insistence on playing '12 passes then lump it' across the board will kill us one term. Even more than Roy Keane did. Even more than Paul Hurst has. |  |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:42 - Dec 11 with 1353 views | BlueBadger |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 13:58 - Dec 11 by Chrisd |
When someone openly says they are this or that invariably they aren’t. |
I am definitely NOT going to sleep with Penelope Cruz anytime soon.
I hope you're right about this. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:03 - Dec 11 with 1305 views | Chrisd |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:42 - Dec 11 by BlueBadger |
I am definitely NOT going to sleep with Penelope Cruz anytime soon.
I hope you're right about this. |
I was talking more about someone saying what they are or aren’t as a person and their perceived characteristics, but I’ve got my fingers crossed for you Bluebadger. Let me know how it goes! | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:07 - Dec 11 with 1300 views | SouperJim |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 14:02 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Please don't use "Lambert" and "competent managers" in the same sentence. If he knows mixing it up is important it seems rather odd that he's not tried to do that at all this season. I know Marcus had a word, but no "competent manager" would accept being told how to do their job by someone who organises conferences for a living and I seriously doubt he'd be religiously sticking to one way of playing purely because a conference organiser said that he should. The more likely explanation is that Lambert is hopeless at his job. |
Marcus came up with that system did he? The next game Marcus can sit here. For the next game me and Marcus can swap roles. I'll take that every day of the week! I'll take the yachts, the planes, all the holidays and I'll let him sit here. Listen. I guarantee if the football club gets promoted not playing great football he'll be the first one to jump over the moon.
To me that would indicate that Lambert is frustrated because, as you say, he is being told how to do his job by someone who organises conferences for a living.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm no Lambert apologist. But the above is indicative of interference into first team affairs which has left him feeling somewhat backed into a corner. Does make me wonder that if he didn't feel it would end him as a manager, he'd have walked away by now. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:09 - Dec 11 with 1294 views | BlueBadger |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:07 - Dec 11 by SouperJim |
Marcus came up with that system did he? The next game Marcus can sit here. For the next game me and Marcus can swap roles. I'll take that every day of the week! I'll take the yachts, the planes, all the holidays and I'll let him sit here. Listen. I guarantee if the football club gets promoted not playing great football he'll be the first one to jump over the moon.
To me that would indicate that Lambert is frustrated because, as you say, he is being told how to do his job by someone who organises conferences for a living.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm no Lambert apologist. But the above is indicative of interference into first team affairs which has left him feeling somewhat backed into a corner. Does make me wonder that if he didn't feel it would end him as a manager, he'd have walked away by now. |
The very fact that he HAD to be told to stop d1cking about with endless lineup and formation changes by a conference organiser says to me that he should have been sacked, there and then rather than persisting with him. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:13 - Dec 11 with 1267 views | Herbivore |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:07 - Dec 11 by SouperJim |
Marcus came up with that system did he? The next game Marcus can sit here. For the next game me and Marcus can swap roles. I'll take that every day of the week! I'll take the yachts, the planes, all the holidays and I'll let him sit here. Listen. I guarantee if the football club gets promoted not playing great football he'll be the first one to jump over the moon.
To me that would indicate that Lambert is frustrated because, as you say, he is being told how to do his job by someone who organises conferences for a living.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm no Lambert apologist. But the above is indicative of interference into first team affairs which has left him feeling somewhat backed into a corner. Does make me wonder that if he didn't feel it would end him as a manager, he'd have walked away by now. |
Although those remarks were from last season, whereas we're led to believe the main conversation where he was told how to do his job took place over the summer. However you slice it, it doesn't make sense. If he has any self respect as a manager he won't be dictated to by a guy that organises conferences for a living. If you have confidence in your ability then you'd do the job the way you see fit and if the owner chooses to sack you then you take the pay off. Seems like a lot of excuses being made for Lambert here. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:14 - Dec 11 with 1266 views | 90sBlue27 |
It’s actually quite laughable a professional club/manager comes out with this.
Also in recent weeks how Klug emphasised the importance of learning different ways to win football matches and different ways of playing, surely all is not ok at the training ground. Talk of playing the same way through the club, it seems academy and first team couldn’t be further apart. | | | |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:14 - Dec 11 with 1265 views | SamWhiteUK |
I still, still don't understand what any of this means, particularly this paragraph:
A: That's what I'm saying, there's a lot of nonsense. Absolute b******s it is. B******s. It really it. You've got to get it our of your head. Systems don't win games, players do. We work on it one week and win 4-1.
If it's not systems, it's players, then what did you "work on"? Does he mean it's not a consistent system that wins games? I don't understand how you can say you don't need a system, but at the same time be working on anything! |  | | |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:19 - Dec 11 with 1249 views | SouperJim |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:13 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Although those remarks were from last season, whereas we're led to believe the main conversation where he was told how to do his job took place over the summer. However you slice it, it doesn't make sense. If he has any self respect as a manager he won't be dictated to by a guy that organises conferences for a living. If you have confidence in your ability then you'd do the job the way you see fit and if the owner chooses to sack you then you take the pay off. Seems like a lot of excuses being made for Lambert here. |
Ignore me, I missed the date of the Accrington comments. | |
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| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:24 - Dec 11 with 1229 views | jeera |
| Lambert's tactics..... on 15:14 - Dec 11 by SamWhiteUK |
I still, still don't understand what any of this means, particularly this paragraph:
A: That's what I'm saying, there's a lot of nonsense. Absolute b******s it is. B******s. It really it. You've got to get it our of your head. Systems don't win games, players do. We work on it one week and win 4-1.
If it's not systems, it's players, then what did you "work on"? Does he mean it's not a consistent system that wins games? I don't understand how you can say you don't need a system, but at the same time be working on anything! |
I couldn't work that out either.
The only sense to be made of that is that he is making the accusation that the interviewer* has suggested that it is "players who win games, not systems" and that he is evidencing that it isn't true.
It doesn't help that his basic grasp of language is completely naff.
*or just the voices he seems to hear that no one else can. |  |
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