| The injuries might be debilitating but ... 17:09 - Dec 12 with 6405 views | SomethingBlue |
... you still don't lose 0-7 on aggregate at home to Hull, Charlton and Pompey I'm afraid.
Whatever that says about Lambert — which is the obvious — this is our lot now til someone takes over from Evans. He's pretty much told us that himself. We need a miraculous intervention from somewhere before it's too late. [Post edited 12 Dec 2020 17:20]
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:18 - Dec 14 with 3588 views | stantheman |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:10 - Dec 14 by Darth_Koont |
I think the key whatever formation and long-term style we’re trying to develop is that we must always compete in the short term. Or it just puts pressure on the manager and players.
That seems to be where we’ve really been going wrong over the past couple of years. We can look half decent when the opposition isn’t that good or isn’t well set up. But we always seem to come out second best against an organised team.
IMO the biggest problem appears to be that we lack the ability or the team mentality to dig in and frustrate the opposition which we’ll always need to do at some stage of any game. By not doing that we invite the pressure (that even stresses us when we do get on the ball as we get cautious and slow). It’s depressing to see opposition teams let us have the ball and hold us at arm’s length but hardly ever do the same when the roles are reversed.
Re: injuries, I think Downes particularly but even Skuse are big losses in that respect. And going forward it would be good to see a midfield that gets say, Downes and Nydam in the opposition’s faces and also letting Dozzell play to his strengths. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 12:12]
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Agree, we seem to have had a very soft centre for as long as I can remember. Is it the players we have at present or the poor coaching they receive? Whatever, we don't seem capable of rectifying the problem. |  | | |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:22 - Dec 14 with 3576 views | itfcjoe |
Made the point on the podcast yesterday, in all those games after we've gone behind haven't created anything.
On Saturday, Pompey were comfortable sitting there at 2-0 up and managed to miss a gilt edged chance, hit the bar twice and produce a stunning save from Cornell. Had that game finished 0-4 I don't think it would have flattered them or us.
I can't see us scoring tomorrow, will be a dull 0-0, then a defeat at Peterborough - if the atmoshpere is tomorrow like it was towards the end on Saturday, and we end the week 8th or 9th then hopefully Evans acts.
Now the fans are back the realisation will be hitting home |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:24 - Dec 14 with 3572 views | itfcjoe |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:14 - Dec 12 by SomethingBlue |
At this point I honestly think nothing will improve us without a new owner. He's talking us into oblivion, in my view. We need something to come up for us quickly, god knows how. |
Once the pressure increases on him, he'll make the change to save himself
He'd increased security around his box on Saturday, and that's with just 2k back - he can't carry on like that and it'll either force a sale or a change of manager - I know which one is easier and so does he | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:31 - Dec 14 with 3547 views | Dyland |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:22 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
Made the point on the podcast yesterday, in all those games after we've gone behind haven't created anything.
On Saturday, Pompey were comfortable sitting there at 2-0 up and managed to miss a gilt edged chance, hit the bar twice and produce a stunning save from Cornell. Had that game finished 0-4 I don't think it would have flattered them or us.
I can't see us scoring tomorrow, will be a dull 0-0, then a defeat at Peterborough - if the atmoshpere is tomorrow like it was towards the end on Saturday, and we end the week 8th or 9th then hopefully Evans acts.
Now the fans are back the realisation will be hitting home |
I'm sure Evans is hoping Suffolk moves to tier 3 :) |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:34 - Dec 14 with 3537 views | Darth_Koont |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:18 - Dec 14 by stantheman |
Agree, we seem to have had a very soft centre for as long as I can remember. Is it the players we have at present or the poor coaching they receive? Whatever, we don't seem capable of rectifying the problem. |
I think the available players are a bit of an issue. But selections/coaching haven’t helped.
Last match is a case in point when you have Lankester, Judge and Dobra all wanting to play between the midfield and attack. Just seems way too many players playing in front of the opposition defence (but rarely beyond them) and not enough support in defence to frustrate Pompey on the ball or to free up Dozzell.
It seemed similar to when Mick played all of McGoldrick, Garner, Waghorn and Sears at the beginning of his last season. Difference being most of them could win and keep the ball further up the pitch and they were backed up by players like Skuse and Downes and a no-nonsense defence that weren’t tasked with getting us playing. Of course, that has a shelf-life but that was in the Championship and it helped us get through a period of a few too many midfield injuries and a very small squad.
Lambert seems to be setting us up for a game where everyone is under pressure from the start as everyone has to work to get us attacking and everyone has to work to defend. And still move the ball through a midfield that doesn’t really exist. |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:41 - Dec 14 with 3506 views | jayessess |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:14 - Dec 14 by Herbivore |
Only 2 players out? Come on now. I'm not a Lambert fan and I don't think the injuries wash as an excuse but I would suggest that if fit all of KVY, Downes, Bishop, Norwood and Edwards would be in our starting XI. |
I didn't mean 2 players out, I meant 2 key absences. 9 of the 11 players we put out on Saturday conceivably start a lot of games even when everyone is fit. |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:48 - Dec 14 with 3480 views | Herbivore |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:34 - Dec 14 by Darth_Koont |
I think the available players are a bit of an issue. But selections/coaching haven’t helped.
Last match is a case in point when you have Lankester, Judge and Dobra all wanting to play between the midfield and attack. Just seems way too many players playing in front of the opposition defence (but rarely beyond them) and not enough support in defence to frustrate Pompey on the ball or to free up Dozzell.
It seemed similar to when Mick played all of McGoldrick, Garner, Waghorn and Sears at the beginning of his last season. Difference being most of them could win and keep the ball further up the pitch and they were backed up by players like Skuse and Downes and a no-nonsense defence that weren’t tasked with getting us playing. Of course, that has a shelf-life but that was in the Championship and it helped us get through a period of a few too many midfield injuries and a very small squad.
Lambert seems to be setting us up for a game where everyone is under pressure from the start as everyone has to work to get us attacking and everyone has to work to defend. And still move the ball through a midfield that doesn’t really exist. |
I think this is key really, none of our players seem to have a defined role within the system. I can remember back when the 4-2-3-1 system first became all the rage what was striking about how the likes of Germany used it to such good effect was that you clearly had defensive units, attacking units, and usually a few players who did both depending on whether in or out of possession (the full backs in Germany's case and one of the centre mids). Everyone was well drilled in the system and they had a really solid platform that was hard to break down combined with a potent and fluid attacking force.
Of course it helped them massively that they had world class players, but it helped them more that they had a shape, system, and roles that they all knew and that meant they only had to focus on doing a couple of jobs in their role on the pitch. As you say, it feels like everyone in our team is trying to do a bit of everything and they are doing it all pretty badly. We want our CBs to defend but also to start attacks. We want Dozzer to pull the strings but also to act as cover for the defence. I don't really know what we want our other midfielders and wide men to do as it's impossible to discern.
Even at this level you see every week sides that are organised and coached so that they know their roles and have patterns of play that are effective in their system. We don't have that at all. Even in games we end up winning I still come away thinking the opposition looked more organised and better set up than us, our extra quality is what gets us over the line against the lesser sides. It's an abject failure of coaching and management. |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:49 - Dec 14 with 3477 views | stantheman |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:34 - Dec 14 by Darth_Koont |
I think the available players are a bit of an issue. But selections/coaching haven’t helped.
Last match is a case in point when you have Lankester, Judge and Dobra all wanting to play between the midfield and attack. Just seems way too many players playing in front of the opposition defence (but rarely beyond them) and not enough support in defence to frustrate Pompey on the ball or to free up Dozzell.
It seemed similar to when Mick played all of McGoldrick, Garner, Waghorn and Sears at the beginning of his last season. Difference being most of them could win and keep the ball further up the pitch and they were backed up by players like Skuse and Downes and a no-nonsense defence that weren’t tasked with getting us playing. Of course, that has a shelf-life but that was in the Championship and it helped us get through a period of a few too many midfield injuries and a very small squad.
Lambert seems to be setting us up for a game where everyone is under pressure from the start as everyone has to work to get us attacking and everyone has to work to defend. And still move the ball through a midfield that doesn’t really exist. |
Your last paragraph sums it up really. I know Skuse is a bit marmite on here but it seemed, to me, that he had a better football brain than most and predicted where the opposition were going to cause problems before it happened. He was not very creative to be honest but he would be an asset what with all the youngsters in the squad at present. [Post edited 14 Dec 2020 13:03]
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:50 - Dec 14 with 3474 views | Herbivore |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:41 - Dec 14 by jayessess |
I didn't mean 2 players out, I meant 2 key absences. 9 of the 11 players we put out on Saturday conceivably start a lot of games even when everyone is fit. |
Disagree. I'd say the 5 I listed would all be considered key players if everyone is fit. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:21 - Dec 14 with 3432 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:24 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
Once the pressure increases on him, he'll make the change to save himself
He'd increased security around his box on Saturday, and that's with just 2k back - he can't carry on like that and it'll either force a sale or a change of manager - I know which one is easier and so does he |
Wouldn't you love an owner that made a change because it was blindingly obvious how poor PL is on and off the pitch? Rather than because he wants to take the heat off himself. The fact he cannot see what is staring him straight in the face is deeply concerning. It is absolutely baffling to me because there isn't even the excuse that he isn't there, he's been at virtually every game this season as far as I am aware. | | | |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:21 - Dec 14 with 3431 views | jayessess |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:50 - Dec 14 by Herbivore |
Disagree. I'd say the 5 I listed would all be considered key players if everyone is fit. |
In turn:
1) KVY has been injured for 12 months, if the manager's planning considers him a "key player" at this point, he's being negligent.
2) Bishop and Downes are clearly key players, but Dozzell and Nolan have both been picked ahead of them on occasion even when fit. We have one midfield position to fill with a player who wouldn't ordinarily feature in the first team. So, one key absence.
3) Edwards is clearly a key player, better than our other wide forwards. Second key absence. Sears isn't particularly an upgrade on the players we currently have available.
4) Norwood and Jackson are more or less the same status at the club, the latter's been more productive since Norwood arrived. Lambert's chosen Jackson to start games when Norwood has been fit before.
Yes, we could put out better teams without our injuries. But, we'd also conceivably start 9 of that 11 in a league match even if everyone was fit. Which when you're talking about whether we should be able to compete, not win every game, but at least make a decent fist of things, is relevant. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:23 - Dec 14 with 3428 views | Reuser_is_God |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:31 - Dec 14 by Dyland |
I'm sure Evans is hoping Suffolk moves to tier 3 :) |
Ha, that would be typical. |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:31 - Dec 14 with 3402 views | Herbivore |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:21 - Dec 14 by jayessess |
In turn:
1) KVY has been injured for 12 months, if the manager's planning considers him a "key player" at this point, he's being negligent.
2) Bishop and Downes are clearly key players, but Dozzell and Nolan have both been picked ahead of them on occasion even when fit. We have one midfield position to fill with a player who wouldn't ordinarily feature in the first team. So, one key absence.
3) Edwards is clearly a key player, better than our other wide forwards. Second key absence. Sears isn't particularly an upgrade on the players we currently have available.
4) Norwood and Jackson are more or less the same status at the club, the latter's been more productive since Norwood arrived. Lambert's chosen Jackson to start games when Norwood has been fit before.
Yes, we could put out better teams without our injuries. But, we'd also conceivably start 9 of that 11 in a league match even if everyone was fit. Which when you're talking about whether we should be able to compete, not win every game, but at least make a decent fist of things, is relevant. |
There's quite a lot of mental gymnastics going on there. If everyone is fully fit then KVY is clearly first choice right back, him not being fit isn't really relevant to the debate. Bishop has only been rested for Nolan once this season I believe, and now Downes isn't leaving he's the best midfielder at the club and would always start when fit. Edwards we agree on. As a lone striker in our current system I don't really see there being much of an argument that Norwood starts ahead of Jackson when both fit. We've rushed him back into the side twice already because he's more suited to that role than Jackson is.
Look, Lambert is hopeless and needs to go. The injuries are no excuse for how poorly we are set up every week. That being the case there's no good reason to jump through mental hoops to claim we're only really missing two key players when it's more like five. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:58 - Dec 14 with 3360 views | jayessess |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:31 - Dec 14 by Herbivore |
There's quite a lot of mental gymnastics going on there. If everyone is fully fit then KVY is clearly first choice right back, him not being fit isn't really relevant to the debate. Bishop has only been rested for Nolan once this season I believe, and now Downes isn't leaving he's the best midfielder at the club and would always start when fit. Edwards we agree on. As a lone striker in our current system I don't really see there being much of an argument that Norwood starts ahead of Jackson when both fit. We've rushed him back into the side twice already because he's more suited to that role than Jackson is.
Look, Lambert is hopeless and needs to go. The injuries are no excuse for how poorly we are set up every week. That being the case there's no good reason to jump through mental hoops to claim we're only really missing two key players when it's more like five. |
I think it's worth pointing out that whilst Lambert goes on like we're having to put out a team of children that couldn't possibly compete with the might of Charlton, that he's actually mostly putting out players who he's happily put in the side on merit. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 14:04 - Dec 14 with 3344 views | Herbivore |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 13:58 - Dec 14 by jayessess |
I think it's worth pointing out that whilst Lambert goes on like we're having to put out a team of children that couldn't possibly compete with the might of Charlton, that he's actually mostly putting out players who he's happily put in the side on merit. |
This is fair, and it's also true that we've often picked kids when we had experienced options available. The continued pairing of McGuiness and Woolf for example could easily be changed by bringing in Toto, who is dodgy but currently less error prone than those two, or by moving Chambers to the centre and playing Donacien. As I said, there's no excuse for how poor we've been even allowing for the injuries and even though I think our first choice XI would likely contain 5 of the current absentees, I have little faith that it'd look anymore cohesive as a team. We might pick up more points through our quality telling but that'd be about it. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 15:18 - Dec 14 with 3292 views | shady |
Those calling for 2 forwards are optimistic. We don’t have 2 fit forwards.
Why waste 20% of our line-up on 2 unproductive players.
In fact I’d go further and suggest Dobs as a false 9
He’s not a water-carrier.
Don’t coach the magic out of him, let him harry less and carry more.
He could earn us free kicks and penalties if up against 2 or 3 large units.
It's so negative that when we have a corner that Dobs is on the half way line ready to harry in case of opposition breaking.
He could be just outside the box in the Wark position ready to pounce.
Another example of ineffective use of scarce resources.
Andre is our best passer of the ball but resides in an area where he can’t damage the opposition. Move him further forward. Give us a chance of creating something.
Mills stated this on Saturday.
Allow the most adept and positive to threaten.
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 15:25 - Dec 14 with 3279 views | Metal_Hacker |
The injuries have like you say , nothing major to do with us playing turgid football
Even at times when we've had most fit first team players we've literally stumbled through games at times for long periods
I really don't think that with the "ultimate" first XI we'd actually be playing any better football .I think we might create slightly more chances due to personnel and the additional quality but the style of football....exactly the same
One reason....LAMBERT ! |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:33 - Dec 14 with 3205 views | textbackup |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:24 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
Once the pressure increases on him, he'll make the change to save himself
He'd increased security around his box on Saturday, and that's with just 2k back - he can't carry on like that and it'll either force a sale or a change of manager - I know which one is easier and so does he |
increased security with 2k there...… that is fantastic if true.
I know the peterb game (1-4) I tried to get up the staircase in the pioneer nearest where he sits (not really sure why, but at the time it seemed a good idea) and the two stewards wanted to see I had a ticket in the section. so he's obviously aware fans really aren't happy |  |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:44 - Dec 14 with 3185 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 12:14 - Dec 14 by Herbivore |
Only 2 players out? Come on now. I'm not a Lambert fan and I don't think the injuries wash as an excuse but I would suggest that if fit all of KVY, Downes, Bishop, Norwood and Edwards would be in our starting XI. |
What's actually happened to Edwards? I can't remember him getting crocked in a game and I can't be bothered keeping up with our ever-updating injury list...was he another victim of our presumably-medieval broken-glass-and-wolves-based training sessions? | | | |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:49 - Dec 14 with 3173 views | Herbivore |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:44 - Dec 14 by FoghornGleghorn |
What's actually happened to Edwards? I can't remember him getting crocked in a game and I can't be bothered keeping up with our ever-updating injury list...was he another victim of our presumably-medieval broken-glass-and-wolves-based training sessions? |
He fell into a pit filled with sharpened sticks covered over by leaves. | |
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| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:55 - Dec 14 with 3166 views | jayessess |
| The injuries might be debilitating but ... on 17:44 - Dec 14 by FoghornGleghorn |
What's actually happened to Edwards? I can't remember him getting crocked in a game and I can't be bothered keeping up with our ever-updating injury list...was he another victim of our presumably-medieval broken-glass-and-wolves-based training sessions? |
Did his hamstring in training. Was "doing ok" late November, but no word since. | |
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