| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday 10:36 - Dec 20 with 8174 views | noggin |
Kind of makes a mockery of the whole tier 4 thing, doesn't it? It was obvious that thousands would leave before the midnight deadline. I wonder how many of those London folks will be visiting pubs, restaurants and multiple family and friends today. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 10:41]
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:38 - Dec 20 with 3105 views | hoppy |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:36 - Dec 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
Did you put them in the freezer first? |
Is that not cheating?
Asking for a friend. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 13:04 - Dec 20 with 3067 views | brogansnose |
What makes a mockery of the whole thing is that tommorow I can go to work and live in a Tier 2 area and have people travelling - and this will be the case - from both Tier 3 & 4 who will inevitably be working in close proximity with both myself and my colleagues.
'To help contain the virus, everyone who can work effectively from home should do so.
Where people cannot do so - including, but not limited to, people who work in critical national infrastructure, construction, or manufacturing - they should continue to travel to their workplace. This is essential to keeping the country operating and supporting sectors and employers.'
At the start of the first lockdown on another of our sites in Cambridge , there was a number of Covid cases which was put down to people travelling up from London to work. Recently, that site, which has a lot of measures put in place , has recorded 8 new cases. I'm failing to see how it can be safe and to limit the spread of the virus by letting and encouraging people to travel and work closely with each other from high risk areas. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:00 - Dec 20 with 3014 views | Leaky |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:35 - Dec 20 by footers |
And we are also an island nation. |
Yes & a very over crowded one. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:18 - Dec 20 with 2995 views | Chrisd |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:04 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
It's hard to see what alternative there was though?
I guess the deadline could have been at 5pm immediately after the press conference but that's all I can think of. It's right they have changed the rules given what is now known about the new variant.
As for the people rushing to leave, I do understand why they are doing that but there is an element of selfishness in their actions. Very little thought being given to what they could inflict on others, only what they want to do for Christmas themselves.
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Nail on head SB! |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:30 - Dec 20 with 2985 views | BlueForYou |
"By and large the UK has a large % of morons in the population who just think about their rights, freedoms and what they want to do. "
As someone who has lived quite a lot of my life in Australia, I can confirm that Australia has a very large percentage of similar morons! |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:37 - Dec 20 with 2971 views | BlueForYou |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 13:04 - Dec 20 by brogansnose |
What makes a mockery of the whole thing is that tommorow I can go to work and live in a Tier 2 area and have people travelling - and this will be the case - from both Tier 3 & 4 who will inevitably be working in close proximity with both myself and my colleagues.
'To help contain the virus, everyone who can work effectively from home should do so.
Where people cannot do so - including, but not limited to, people who work in critical national infrastructure, construction, or manufacturing - they should continue to travel to their workplace. This is essential to keeping the country operating and supporting sectors and employers.'
At the start of the first lockdown on another of our sites in Cambridge , there was a number of Covid cases which was put down to people travelling up from London to work. Recently, that site, which has a lot of measures put in place , has recorded 8 new cases. I'm failing to see how it can be safe and to limit the spread of the virus by letting and encouraging people to travel and work closely with each other from high risk areas. |
I've also been working on a large site in Cambridge & I couldnt agree more. I dont think I'll go back in January if things havent improved, which is very unlikely. I pointed out several other areas which I felt were not Covid safe, but the management on these large projects refuse to listen. Then, on Friday it was announced that a number of them had tested positive. You don't really like saying Ha Ha, but in this case its their own fault. | | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 15:46 - Dec 20 with 2934 views | Churchman |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:18 - Dec 20 by ClareBlue |
The importance of leadership by example is continually overlooked in this Pandemic but has massive consequences when it is not in place.
When the example is driving to beauty spots on your wife's birthday to test your eyes is given a credible reason for breaking the rules, or telling people to stay at home but you sneak off to see your lover, or your second home, or when you test positive you get on a train from London to Scotland etc etc all lead to a breakdown in collective responsibility.
Add this to confused and contradictory strategies and messages plus a Prime Minister who looks like he is suffering from a hangover every time he appears in public and the general lack of importance on truth and integrity that is shown by the Government, and you get the situation that was last night and any other night.
If you take people for mugs they will rightly only look after their own interests. |
I think this is the key to the shambles this country is in. There is a total lack of leadership and competence. Just a series of half baked decisions made too late and for the wrong reasons dressed up with mixed messages. Billions £ hosed up the wall on useless track and trace schemes, PPE in containers that probably won’t work anyway, business support schemes that gave the criminals a massive Christmas bonus because the govt felt the rage of the Daily Mail was more important than banks carrying out due diligence on lending.
We were told earlier in the year that there was no point protecting the borders because the virus was already with us. There was every reason. Can’t see the Europeans saying ‘let the English come to our countries as the virus is already with us’. They’re correctly putting up the shutters today. Now. Late lockdowns, mixed messages and rules changing every 5 minutes incurring cost after cost on business just for the clowns to shut them down anyway. Tiers that took no account that people move around or sources of infection come to that. Populist moves like 5 days for Christmas gatherings, presumably to warm the plebs up before the food runs out in January with no deal Brexit.
Lastly, credibility. The day Johnson backed Cummings, it was all over. I fully understand why people ignore him and the man with the liars sweat, Smallcock. Too many lies, too much deceit. The line yesterday ‘there is no evidence to suggest the vaccine is any less effective against this strain of the virus’ was interesting. There is no evidence to suggest it is effective either. There is a reason why flu vaccines are adjusted each year. With a lack of leadership, competence and truth, people are left to their own devices and decisions. Let’s face it, thanks to this shower it’s not as if there’s much of a police force left to enforce anything.
I just hope one day these dangerous idiots are held to account. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:24 - Dec 20 with 2914 views | Radlett_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 13:04 - Dec 20 by brogansnose |
What makes a mockery of the whole thing is that tommorow I can go to work and live in a Tier 2 area and have people travelling - and this will be the case - from both Tier 3 & 4 who will inevitably be working in close proximity with both myself and my colleagues.
'To help contain the virus, everyone who can work effectively from home should do so.
Where people cannot do so - including, but not limited to, people who work in critical national infrastructure, construction, or manufacturing - they should continue to travel to their workplace. This is essential to keeping the country operating and supporting sectors and employers.'
At the start of the first lockdown on another of our sites in Cambridge , there was a number of Covid cases which was put down to people travelling up from London to work. Recently, that site, which has a lot of measures put in place , has recorded 8 new cases. I'm failing to see how it can be safe and to limit the spread of the virus by letting and encouraging people to travel and work closely with each other from high risk areas. |
I thought the government recommendation was that anyone who could work from hone should do so? |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:29 - Dec 20 with 2904 views | noggin |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:00 - Dec 20 by Leaky |
Yes & a very over crowded one. |
Who told you that? | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:36 - Dec 20 with 2889 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 11:22 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
I think a large number of people are fed up with restrictions and simply aren't going to follow them all to the letter. That's inevitable in a Western democracy where people have been used to having huge freedom. Hence locking down was never going to work in the same way as in more repressive, authoritarian regimes such as China. Therefore, trying to control the spread of COVID rather than the hugely expensive & disruptive system of endlessly going in & out of lockdown was a better idea. Obviously, there is no perfect solution. |
I think it's more about attitudes to wider society than being used to freedoms.
Countries like Japan and South Korea are western democracies with the same freedoms as us, but people are much more considerate and willing to make sacrifices for the benefit of society as a whole, and I would imagine that any lockdowns they had would be nearly perfectly observed. Sadly I think many British people have a more selfish attitude to life. |  | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:39 - Dec 20 with 2880 views | factual_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 12:09 - Dec 20 by noggin |
Someone rang LBC earlier, from Manchester. He was at The Trafford Centre and got talking to a couple who had travelled from Luton to do their Christmas shopping, "because the shops at home are closed." |
Any excuse to get away from Luton is perfectly understandable. |  |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 17:10 - Dec 20 with 2836 views | factual_blue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:24 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
I thought the government recommendation was that anyone who could work from hone should do so? |
You can't flip burgers from home. | |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 17:31 - Dec 20 with 2811 views | brogansnose |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 14:37 - Dec 20 by BlueForYou |
I've also been working on a large site in Cambridge & I couldnt agree more. I dont think I'll go back in January if things havent improved, which is very unlikely. I pointed out several other areas which I felt were not Covid safe, but the management on these large projects refuse to listen. Then, on Friday it was announced that a number of them had tested positive. You don't really like saying Ha Ha, but in this case its their own fault. |
I've got Monday and Tuesday and then that'll be it for me unless things radically change. I'm cynical about it matters changing too so I can't see me going back in January. | | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 17:35 - Dec 20 with 2801 views | brogansnose |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 16:24 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
I thought the government recommendation was that anyone who could work from hone should do so? |
Construction Radlers. We've got people from Sheffield, Essex , London and Kent where I'm working. | | | |
| There was NO midnight deadline on 17:46 - Dec 20 with 2782 views | HighgateBlue |
Boris allowed people to think there was a midnight deadline, but there was none. The BBC are still saying there was, which is a measure of how terribly they report any legal matters, or just simply treat them as political and not legal.
Below is a link to a PDF of the ACTUAL legislation that I'm pretty sure no journalist has ever bothered to look at. As you can see, the Secretary of State made it at 6.00am THIS MORNING, and it came into force an hour later. If Boris had been honest about when this law would come into force, people would have had more time last night and some time this morning, meaning less of a scrum and probably fewer covid cases...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/pdfs/uksi_20201611_en.pdf |  | | |
| There was NO midnight deadline on 18:47 - Dec 20 with 2723 views | StokieBlue |
| There was NO midnight deadline on 17:46 - Dec 20 by HighgateBlue |
Boris allowed people to think there was a midnight deadline, but there was none. The BBC are still saying there was, which is a measure of how terribly they report any legal matters, or just simply treat them as political and not legal.
Below is a link to a PDF of the ACTUAL legislation that I'm pretty sure no journalist has ever bothered to look at. As you can see, the Secretary of State made it at 6.00am THIS MORNING, and it came into force an hour later. If Boris had been honest about when this law would come into force, people would have had more time last night and some time this morning, meaning less of a scrum and probably fewer covid cases...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1611/pdfs/uksi_20201611_en.pdf |
That entirely ignores the question of whether people should be trying to leave before and arbitrary deadline. I would have put it at 4pm when the press conference started.
It's not like the chances of transmitting the new strain decreased over that time.
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| There was NO midnight deadline on 19:06 - Dec 20 with 2702 views | Pinewoodblue |
| There was NO midnight deadline on 18:47 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
That entirely ignores the question of whether people should be trying to leave before and arbitrary deadline. I would have put it at 4pm when the press conference started.
It's not like the chances of transmitting the new strain decreased over that time.
SB |
Getting away really is pointless since in the majority of circumstances legally they cannot stay overnight outside of Tier 4. |  |
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| There was NO midnight deadline on 19:20 - Dec 20 with 2694 views | StokieBlue |
| There was NO midnight deadline on 19:06 - Dec 20 by Pinewoodblue |
Getting away really is pointless since in the majority of circumstances legally they cannot stay overnight outside of Tier 4. |
If they are willing to make a run for it to beat the deadline I doubt they are that bothered about breaking the overnight stay rule.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 19:31 - Dec 20 with 2665 views | BlueForYou |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 17:31 - Dec 20 by brogansnose |
I've got Monday and Tuesday and then that'll be it for me unless things radically change. I'm cynical about it matters changing too so I can't see me going back in January. |
We have guys from London, Wales, Yorkshire, Luton, Peterborough, Southend, Clacton, Rural Suffolk, & countless others. We really need a total work shutdown for January until this is under some form of control & then a sensible rethink about site facilities before anyone restarts. I simply disregarded all site rules last week in an effort to keep me safe. The management cant be trusted. | | | |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 19:45 - Dec 20 with 2640 views | jaykay |
i don't think they are all coming to suffolk, but the thing that gets me with these selfish idiots is london has more hospitals in a 30 mile area that suffolk have. i think i am right in thinking we only have 2 main hospitals in suffolk. they could over run our 2 hospitals and put all other treatments at risk. |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 19:47 - Dec 20 with 2633 views | StokieBlue |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 19:45 - Dec 20 by jaykay |
i don't think they are all coming to suffolk, but the thing that gets me with these selfish idiots is london has more hospitals in a 30 mile area that suffolk have. i think i am right in thinking we only have 2 main hospitals in suffolk. they could over run our 2 hospitals and put all other treatments at risk. |
Not sure that comparison works though as London also has about 12 times the population of all of Suffolk.
You are right though, people from London and the SE should be taking some personal responsibility and not travelling to areas with less instance of the new strain.
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| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 20:20 - Dec 20 with 2613 views | jaykay |
| Those scenes from St Pancras yesterday on 19:47 - Dec 20 by StokieBlue |
Not sure that comparison works though as London also has about 12 times the population of all of Suffolk.
You are right though, people from London and the SE should be taking some personal responsibility and not travelling to areas with less instance of the new strain.
SB |
not sure myself but wiki says there are 96 hospitals in london
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:NHS_hospitals_in_London | |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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