| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 18:14 - Dec 20 with 4559 views | Ryorry |
Whilst a couple of other European countries (Denmark, which may have been down to mink? & the Netherlands) have a small number of cases, the numbers have obviously been considerably more here.
Is the mutant version here down to mink too? or something else - anyone know?
Whilst out walking the mutt a couple of hours ago, met neighbour who's a NHS medic who assured me that the vaccine being rolled out does also protect against this mutant strain, which is at least something. [Post edited 20 Dec 2020 18:15]
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:12 - Dec 21 with 1144 views | StokieBlue |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:08 - Dec 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is this now being regarded as different to the Danish variant?
Saying this morning that the spike is different...what are you instincts about efficacy of the vaccines in this regard? |
Do you mean the Mink Danish variant? If so it's not the same, this one seems to have originated in the UK. There have been a few instances of this one spotted in Denmark and elsewhere but in very low numbers.
No idea on the efficacy of the vaccines, it's mutated the spike protein which is what the vaccines teach the body to recognise but from everything I've read the protein is sill fundamentally similar to as it was before (it has to do the same job after all, it's just doing it up to 70% better) so fingers crossed it won't affect the efficacy.
We will need to see some studies though.
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:21 - Dec 21 with 1138 views | GeoffSentence |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 18:57 - Dec 20 by Keno |
Make you proud that we have the best mutants |
world beating mutations. Well done Boris. |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:45 - Dec 21 with 1111 views | hype313 |
This particular strain was first seen in Brazil in July, I suspect, from what I have read that it is already circulating throughout Europe, we're just the first to announce it. |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:46 - Dec 21 with 1108 views | StokieBlue |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:45 - Dec 21 by hype313 |
This particular strain was first seen in Brazil in July, I suspect, from what I have read that it is already circulating throughout Europe, we're just the first to announce it. |
Not seen that, when I was reading before they said they thought it originated here. Why would Europe be closing all transport if it was a Brazilian strain from July?
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 09:23 - Dec 21 with 1061 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Happy days! |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:06 - Dec 21 with 1033 views | longtimefan |
The charts in that article seem to suggest the epicentre of the mutation is the East of England, rather than the South East as all the recent headlines have stated! |  | | |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:24 - Dec 21 with 1025 views | Guthrum |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 18:30 - Dec 20 by pistonbroke |
Now I keep reading about this so called new strain that is meant to be according to the figures 70% more transmittable , now if that is the case why is the r number not 70 instead of around the 1 |
Different things. The new variant is supposedly 70% more efficient in attaching itself to human cells, thus making it much easier to catch if encountered and requiring a much lower level of exposure.
The r-number is an assessment of the actual rate of transmission on the ground. Which can vary considerably from one local area to another and between those and the national average.
If the new variant becomes widespread, it is likely that r will begin to climb, perhaps very sharply. But at first that will only show in the r-rate for the specific areas where it is prevalant.
Also, a 70% increase on a rate of 1 would take it up to 1.7, not 70. |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:28 - Dec 21 with 1024 views | Guthrum |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 08:45 - Dec 21 by hype313 |
This particular strain was first seen in Brazil in July, I suspect, from what I have read that it is already circulating throughout Europe, we're just the first to announce it. |
From what I've heard, this is a more recent mutation of the earlier strain, which first appeared in the UK. Making it suddenly much more transmissable. | |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:53 - Dec 21 with 1001 views | Radlett_blue |
It is already clear that this "new strain" is not unique to Britain so it will not remain purely a UK issue. Viruses mutate & develop different strains all the time. As with COVID related deaths, it wouldn't surprise me if Britain was far more fastidious than most about identifying such things. My suspicion is that the government - which has produced huge amounts of misinformation & obfuscation this year - has shot itself in the foot by trumpeting about the development of this new strain in an attempt to cajole the public into obeying the latest lockdown measures. This has set off a chain reaction around Europe & the rest of the world. |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 11:57 - Dec 21 with 985 views | Guthrum |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:06 - Dec 21 by longtimefan |
The charts in that article seem to suggest the epicentre of the mutation is the East of England, rather than the South East as all the recent headlines have stated! |
Yes. From what I've heard "the south east" may be an overly broad use of regional terminology. | |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 11:59 - Dec 21 with 976 views | clive_baker |
Anyone else open this thread expecting to see a punchline?
FFS. |  |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 12:01 - Dec 21 with 973 views | stantheman |
Surprised Farage hasn't said it could have come from all the illegal immigrants crossing the Channel into Kent. |  | | |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 12:35 - Dec 21 with 958 views | clive_baker |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 10:53 - Dec 21 by Radlett_blue |
It is already clear that this "new strain" is not unique to Britain so it will not remain purely a UK issue. Viruses mutate & develop different strains all the time. As with COVID related deaths, it wouldn't surprise me if Britain was far more fastidious than most about identifying such things. My suspicion is that the government - which has produced huge amounts of misinformation & obfuscation this year - has shot itself in the foot by trumpeting about the development of this new strain in an attempt to cajole the public into obeying the latest lockdown measures. This has set off a chain reaction around Europe & the rest of the world. |
In the grand scheme of things it's not that important, but this has would me up in terms of the negative sentiment it's generated due to being identified here. I got a whatsapp yesterday from an Indian friend who lives in Toronto saying how much havoc the new British covid was seemingly having in Europe. I swiftly told him to f off. Either way its a PR balls up from the UK that it's being presented as such globally. | |
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 13:05 - Dec 21 with 943 views | StokieBlue |
Thanks Dan.
So it's not precisely the Brazilian strain then. It's a mutation which has occurred a few times and has now coupled with other mutations in the UK variant.
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| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 13:58 - Dec 21 with 913 views | CoachRob |
| Why did this mutant strain originate from SE England? 🤔 on 13:05 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Thanks Dan.
So it's not precisely the Brazilian strain then. It's a mutation which has occurred a few times and has now coupled with other mutations in the UK variant.
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Exactly, found a piece here which outlines what we know and what requires further research.
https://theconversation.com/amp/coronavirus-new-variant-genomics-researcher-answ |  | | |
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