| Lewis hamilton SPOTY 22:34 - Dec 20 with 17502 views | onceablue |
Lewis Hamilton winning Sports Personality of the year a bit of a Contradiction in terms
Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:57 - Dec 22 with 3026 views | Churchman |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:37 - Dec 22 by StokieBlue |
Certainly some valid points there but on the performance front - how is it fundamentally different to Liverpool and Crystal Palace having different levels of performance throughout their squad resulting in a 7-0 thrashing?
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Good point. There is a certain parallel. But in most sports it’s fundamentally 1v1, 11v11 etc and the kit is less of a factor. However, one of the reasons I’ve always been against the Premier League is that it’s inherently designed to make the richest richer and the league less competitive, I.e. the same clubs grabbing everything.
The sharing of gate receipts back in the day was a good thing that meant clubs like Forest, Derby and Ipswich could reach the top (credit to Leicester, whose achievement in recent years is amazing). In the NFL, the teams at the bottom get first pick of the draft so there is potentially a natural levelling out over time. I suppose for me sport is about competition. Paraphrased, as John Cobbold once said to Robson after a defeat, it’s about the game. |  | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:17 - Dec 22 with 3000 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:35 - Dec 22 by Churchman |
I struggle a bit with F1. My ski buddy is fanatical about it, attending races etc but I personally find it boring. Is it a sport? Yes, but for me it’s compromised by the differing performance of the cars and lack of overtaking. As for Hamilton, he’s obviously outstanding in what he does and in achievement terms, deserved the SPOTY award this time round. |
When great sportspeople dominate, it can be boring for neutrals. I would never sit down and watch Serena Williams when she was dominating as I found it boring. No denying she is amazing and I'm sure tennis fans could watch her for hours due to their improved recognition and appreciation of each individual shot/rally/etc.
I think people just need to realise that when the greats of sports (particularly individual sports) are about they have the ability to make challenges look non-existent. They make themselves look almost infallible. They make you question if the competition is even any good compared to previous bygone years. And it goes on for years, if they are truly great. [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 9:18]
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:31 - Dec 22 with 2981 views | Half_Idiot |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 00:53 - Dec 22 by onceablue |
Don’t doubt anything you have said he is a fantastic driver, although he does have the advantage of driving the best car
Didn’t that rookie driver jump in his car the other week and almost win the race
My OP was that he doesn’t have much of a personality or is particularly engaging which doesn’t help his popularity
But is sporting ability has never been in doubt |
If that was the point you were trying to make then what is the second sentence all about? |  | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:32 - Dec 22 with 2981 views | hype313 |
Poverty post. |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:49 - Dec 22 with 2964 views | Seablu |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 07:20 - Dec 21 by onceablue |
I though both points were self explanatory |
Indulge me. Can you clarify, in an actual sentence that makes sense, exactly what you meant by:
‘Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race’ |  | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:53 - Dec 22 with 2954 views | footers |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:49 - Dec 22 by Seablu |
Indulge me. Can you clarify, in an actual sentence that makes sense, exactly what you meant by:
‘Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race’ |
Yes, that was the bit I was interested in as well.
Not really bothered if Hamilton has a personality or not. (Hint: he's an F1 driver, so of course he doesn't.) |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 10:09 - Dec 22 with 2934 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:49 - Dec 22 by Seablu |
Indulge me. Can you clarify, in an actual sentence that makes sense, exactly what you meant by:
‘Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race’ |
I just knocked up a script to do it so you don't have to wait for him to reply. First 5 possible onceablue sentences were:
"not winning Lewis or Black race is Lewis Contradiction of"
"Personality Hamilton Contradiction terms year a a of Sports bit"
"as a bit Lewis Personality or Alex Contradiction winning mixed"
"Lewis of Personality Hamilton as is Alex not Hamilton Scott"
"Lewis terms Black he of is of Sports or Personality"
Take your pick.
SB [Post edited 22 Dec 2020 10:09]
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:05 - Dec 22 with 2886 views | Ryorry |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 00:27 - Dec 22 by chrismakin |
I don't understand the hate he gets
He BUILT the car with Mercedes, Has been instrumental in the set up of, Whilst the car is fast, the amount of skill to manage not just the tyres, but the engine modes, the fuel, the aerodynamic changes on different corners. The commitment and maturity of keeping out of problems and knowing if he can't win, at least get a podum place and don't take risks. He took at lot of risks in his early years which cost him and over the past few years he's in a world of his own when it comes to managing a grand prix. You watch the likes of Vettal, Verstappen, Bottas all spinning out when under pressure, locking up, going wide, Hamilton glides through the laps.
What alot of people don't know is take the silverstone grand prix, last lap, burst tyre, he didn't just coast home, he was doing well over 240 kph on the hanger straight, and whilst people say it;s luck, theres a certain part of luck, but also, he changed the break balances to only revert to rear breaking in those last set of corners... hence no complete blow out. |
Upped that because whilst I'm not a fan of the sport, you've done a superb job of making a case for it, & explaining some of its intricacies which I'd previously been completely unaware of; you've thereby made it more interesting and watchable, thanks 👠|  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:43 - Dec 22 with 2854 views | daisyisabaddog |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 00:27 - Dec 22 by chrismakin |
I don't understand the hate he gets
He BUILT the car with Mercedes, Has been instrumental in the set up of, Whilst the car is fast, the amount of skill to manage not just the tyres, but the engine modes, the fuel, the aerodynamic changes on different corners. The commitment and maturity of keeping out of problems and knowing if he can't win, at least get a podum place and don't take risks. He took at lot of risks in his early years which cost him and over the past few years he's in a world of his own when it comes to managing a grand prix. You watch the likes of Vettal, Verstappen, Bottas all spinning out when under pressure, locking up, going wide, Hamilton glides through the laps.
What alot of people don't know is take the silverstone grand prix, last lap, burst tyre, he didn't just coast home, he was doing well over 240 kph on the hanger straight, and whilst people say it;s luck, theres a certain part of luck, but also, he changed the break balances to only revert to rear breaking in those last set of corners... hence no complete blow out. |
The hate he gets from me is due to the fact that the second he signed a big contract he was off to Monaco to avoid paying tax. A great way to say thanks to the UK especially bearing in mind that his family were recipients of just about all the financial help this country has to offer.
If he had been voted Overseas Sportsman of the year I could accept it.
To make matters worse, his management released a rather disengenuous statement that he pays tax in the UK. Which hides from the fact that all overseas sportsmen do. Nadal, Federer and Co all suffer withholding tax on their earnings in the UK.
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:52 - Dec 22 with 2832 views | SpruceMoose |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:43 - Dec 22 by daisyisabaddog |
The hate he gets from me is due to the fact that the second he signed a big contract he was off to Monaco to avoid paying tax. A great way to say thanks to the UK especially bearing in mind that his family were recipients of just about all the financial help this country has to offer.
If he had been voted Overseas Sportsman of the year I could accept it.
To make matters worse, his management released a rather disengenuous statement that he pays tax in the UK. Which hides from the fact that all overseas sportsmen do. Nadal, Federer and Co all suffer withholding tax on their earnings in the UK.
Hamilton disgusts me. |
Point of order. The children of welfare recipients are in no way responsible for 'paying back' the state. Lewis Hamilton owes the country nothing and has nothing to say thanks for.
Do you reserve the same disgust for all British sports people/actors/musicians who move overseas? |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:58 - Dec 22 with 2812 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:43 - Dec 22 by daisyisabaddog |
The hate he gets from me is due to the fact that the second he signed a big contract he was off to Monaco to avoid paying tax. A great way to say thanks to the UK especially bearing in mind that his family were recipients of just about all the financial help this country has to offer.
If he had been voted Overseas Sportsman of the year I could accept it.
To make matters worse, his management released a rather disengenuous statement that he pays tax in the UK. Which hides from the fact that all overseas sportsmen do. Nadal, Federer and Co all suffer withholding tax on their earnings in the UK.
Hamilton disgusts me. |
What a load of rubbish.
People are free to live where they like and Hamilton is actually within the top 5000 of UK taxpayers so your spurious point about benefits is ridiculous given he's contributed far more than he's taken. He also pays tax in other countries as well, like he should.
It looks like simple jealousy. Perhaps he moved to get away from people like you spitting bile all the time without looking at the facts.
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 14:28 - Dec 22 with 2786 views | chrismakin |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:05 - Dec 22 by Ryorry |
Upped that because whilst I'm not a fan of the sport, you've done a superb job of making a case for it, & explaining some of its intricacies which I'd previously been completely unaware of; you've thereby made it more interesting and watchable, thanks 👠|
I accept to many it's a boring sport, and there are certainly some tracks that don't help. Monaco used to be the race of the season, but the cars are too wide for it and no it's just a pit stop show.
What I suggest to anyone catching a race is use the cockpit camera view and take in the action from the driver, it's incredible at speeds of 250kph they're changing break balances, engine modes, they can increase, decrease downforce depending on where they are on track.
The tyre management is also key, and gone are the days of tyres just lasting 30-40 laps, pirelli tyres are really hard to read, so much so alot of drivers don't like them, but another reason why Hamilton deserves his plaudits, In Turkey Hamilton had a horrid qualifying and started 6th, his start and beginning of the race was awful and he was just over 30 seconds behind the leader. he turned an intermediate ( mix of tyres suitable for slightly wet/dry in places track). set of tyres into slicks when everyone else had changed due to the track surface drying up, but rather than pitting and putting on a dry set and losing 20 odd seconds like everyone else, he stayed out and perfected a manual change of tyre degregation, which basically meant he worn out the wet grip of the tyre to give himself a dry set of tyres without the need to stop for them! the first time i've ever witnessed such a feat. he went on to win the race by over 28 seconds and won his 7th title. |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 14:31 - Dec 22 with 2783 views | chrismakin |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 13:43 - Dec 22 by daisyisabaddog |
The hate he gets from me is due to the fact that the second he signed a big contract he was off to Monaco to avoid paying tax. A great way to say thanks to the UK especially bearing in mind that his family were recipients of just about all the financial help this country has to offer.
If he had been voted Overseas Sportsman of the year I could accept it.
To make matters worse, his management released a rather disengenuous statement that he pays tax in the UK. Which hides from the fact that all overseas sportsmen do. Nadal, Federer and Co all suffer withholding tax on their earnings in the UK.
Hamilton disgusts me. |
" A great way to say thanks"
If paying back is the only way, Lewis is in the top 5000 of tax payers in the UK so that's his thanks done.
His performances and being part of Mercedes helps 1000 engineers/ staff at their UK HQ stay in jobs and earn bonus's | |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 07:37 - Dec 23 with 2699 views | daisyisabaddog |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 14:31 - Dec 22 by chrismakin |
" A great way to say thanks"
If paying back is the only way, Lewis is in the top 5000 of tax payers in the UK so that's his thanks done.
His performances and being part of Mercedes helps 1000 engineers/ staff at their UK HQ stay in jobs and earn bonus's |
If he had any love or respect for this country he could have stayed here and achieved exactly the same thing. In the same way that Andy Murray did. But he stuck 2 fingers up at us, moved to Monaco and saved himself about £200m. I'm absolutely staggered that the people of this country are prepared to vote for a sportsman who doesn't actually live here for tax reasons. | | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 07:44 - Dec 23 with 2696 views | onceablue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 15:51 - Dec 21 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but we've clearly established that you're utterly inarticulate. |
It would appear the longer this post has gone on that the WE has in fact turned into the YOU
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:23 - Dec 23 with 2671 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 07:37 - Dec 23 by daisyisabaddog |
If he had any love or respect for this country he could have stayed here and achieved exactly the same thing. In the same way that Andy Murray did. But he stuck 2 fingers up at us, moved to Monaco and saved himself about £200m. I'm absolutely staggered that the people of this country are prepared to vote for a sportsman who doesn't actually live here for tax reasons. |
By your logic nobody born in the UK should ever live anywhere else if they want to get recognition from their fellow Brits.
It's a bizarre position.
I've already pointed out he is in the top 5000 tax payers in the country, you seem obsessed about this point.
Most racing drivers live in Monaco, do you reserve the same bile for Jenson Button for instance who has lived in Monaco all throughout his racing career?
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:56 - Dec 23 with 2642 views | daisyisabaddog |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:23 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
By your logic nobody born in the UK should ever live anywhere else if they want to get recognition from their fellow Brits.
It's a bizarre position.
I've already pointed out he is in the top 5000 tax payers in the country, you seem obsessed about this point.
Most racing drivers live in Monaco, do you reserve the same bile for Jenson Button for instance who has lived in Monaco all throughout his racing career?
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I don't consider Hamilton to be a fellow Brit. I have no time for anyone who is selfish enough to move to a tax haven to avoid their UK taxation obligations.
You seem to miss the point that Hamilton moved to Monaco to avoid paying UK tax having previously received significant benefit of others paying tax all his life. | | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:03 - Dec 23 with 2627 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:56 - Dec 23 by daisyisabaddog |
I don't consider Hamilton to be a fellow Brit. I have no time for anyone who is selfish enough to move to a tax haven to avoid their UK taxation obligations.
You seem to miss the point that Hamilton moved to Monaco to avoid paying UK tax having previously received significant benefit of others paying tax all his life. |
I understand your point, it's just spurious and rubbish as I have already shown. You didn't want to address my original post because it shows your original post to be total rubbish.
You're just an incredibly bitter individual.
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:13 - Dec 23 with 2614 views | onceablue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:03 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
I understand your point, it's just spurious and rubbish as I have already shown. You didn't want to address my original post because it shows your original post to be total rubbish.
You're just an incredibly bitter individual.
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Stoke Blue
People are allowed to have different views and opinions to you, it doesn’t make them wrong | | | |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:13 - Dec 23 with 2612 views | 26_Paz |
I’ve not got an awful lot of time for Hamilton. I think he is a bit of a hypocrite, flying around the world to drive a formula 1 car and then lecturing the rest of us about climate change ...
In terms of ‘sports person of the year’ he was a clear and obvious choice though. |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:26 - Dec 23 with 2599 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:13 - Dec 23 by onceablue |
Stoke Blue
People are allowed to have different views and opinions to you, it doesn’t make them wrong |
This is a major problem in the world today. Opinions can of course be wrong if the evidence doesn't support them. I've outlined why he's wrong about tax and benefits.
I'm utterly sick of the "opinion equal to fact" false equivalence.
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:31 - Dec 23 with 2590 views | noggin |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 08:56 - Dec 23 by daisyisabaddog |
I don't consider Hamilton to be a fellow Brit. I have no time for anyone who is selfish enough to move to a tax haven to avoid their UK taxation obligations.
You seem to miss the point that Hamilton moved to Monaco to avoid paying UK tax having previously received significant benefit of others paying tax all his life. |
Are you sure he moved for tax purposes and not the superior training opportunities? If it was simply to avoid taxes, I will agree with you. |  |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:32 - Dec 23 with 2585 views | footers |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:26 - Dec 23 by StokieBlue |
This is a major problem in the world today. Opinions can of course be wrong if the evidence doesn't support them. I've outlined why he's wrong about tax and benefits.
I'm utterly sick of the "opinion equal to fact" false equivalence.
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Dunno about you, Stokers, but I still want to know what this is supposed to mean....
"Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race" | |
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:35 - Dec 23 with 2580 views | StokieBlue |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:32 - Dec 23 by footers |
Dunno about you, Stokers, but I still want to know what this is supposed to mean....
"Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race" |
I think we would all like to know.
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| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:40 - Dec 23 with 2566 views | noggin |
| Lewis hamilton SPOTY on 09:32 - Dec 23 by footers |
Dunno about you, Stokers, but I still want to know what this is supposed to mean....
"Alex Scott as well Lewis Hamilton is not Black he is of mixed heritage or mixed race" |
Maybe he thinks the S in SPOTY stands for a tool used for digging (as well as a word, used by racists, to describe a black person) [Post edited 23 Dec 2020 9:43]
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