| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier 21:47 - Dec 21 with 3526 views | ElderGrizzly |
Yes. I’m shocked too
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 21:55 - Dec 21 with 2507 views | m14_blue |
Well, call me Susan and colour me surprised. |  | | |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 21:56 - Dec 21 with 2501 views | Fixed_It |
No I'm not accepting that. He wouldn't tell lies... |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:03 - Dec 21 with 2462 views | Churchman |
It’s easy to make up a figure with a smile on your face as the chuckle brothers did and deny there’s a problem, not least because when it’s proven to be nonsense they can say ‘ah, well it was true at the time’. In any case, after claiming 100,000 tests a day by the end of April, when 40% of those were just bunged out in the post means that blurting out another whopper over a few lorries shouldn’t enrage the plebs too much., [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 22:37]
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:27 - Dec 21 with 2358 views | Pinewoodblue |
Hopefully both parties involved in the trade negotiations will learn how damaging no deal will be for all concerned.
Toyota have already announced they are stopping the production lines in the UK due to the logistical problems this has caused. Worth noting that it works both ways as .Toyota production in France is also being stopped for the same reason.
Blockages in supply chains cause havoc for manufacturers. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:32 - Dec 21 with 2328 views | BlueBadger |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:27 - Dec 21 by Pinewoodblue |
Hopefully both parties involved in the trade negotiations will learn how damaging no deal will be for all concerned.
Toyota have already announced they are stopping the production lines in the UK due to the logistical problems this has caused. Worth noting that it works both ways as .Toyota production in France is also being stopped for the same reason.
Blockages in supply chains cause havoc for manufacturers. |
Thing is, is it'll be considerably less damaging for EU countries than it will us.
The EU have been looking after the interests of their members, the government have been looking after the interests of a few very rich people.
This has been the case all along.
'Fine people on both sides'. [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 22:41]
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:32 - Dec 21 with 2319 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 21:56 - Dec 21 by Fixed_It |
No I'm not accepting that. He wouldn't tell lies... |
Now up to 1000 and the motorway is shut
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:37 - Dec 21 with 2293 views | Herbivore |
The problem is that there's no consequences for him lying. Lying has worked pretty well for Boris Johnson throughout his life. So does it really matter that he's lied about this? Nobody is even surprised, it's just normal now for our leaders to not just be economical with the truth but to knowingly spout outright demonstrable lies. And it doesn't matter, nothing will happen because of it. How utterly depressing. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:37 - Dec 21 with 2290 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:32 - Dec 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Now up to 1000 and the motorway is shut
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Clearly a lie from Boris but hard to see how this is the governments fault?
They were right to tell the WHO about the new strain and the French were right to close the borders.
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:43 - Dec 21 with 2268 views | vapour_trail |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:32 - Dec 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Now up to 1000 and the motorway is shut
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Odd isn’t it. I’ve been working in the office on the top floor of my gaff today which affords views of, amongst other highlights, a section of the m20 near the euro tunnel entrance.
There are a lot of lorries stacked up and that’s about ten miles outside Dover. They’ve apparently been queued past ashford at points.
Operation Brock as well as Stack now deployed.
The management of it seems pretty good, the brexit prep has helped them out here, just strange they choose to lie about the detail. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:46 - Dec 21 with 2259 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I was curious about his statistics that seemed to suggest that 80% of freight is not handled by humans and will still get through without any problems. Aside from the implication all freight can easily be re-routed via Holland. I had heard that Felixstowe already has backlogs and is unable to cope with current volumes. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:46 - Dec 21 with 2243 views | Churchman |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:37 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Clearly a lie from Boris but hard to see how this is the governments fault?
They were right to tell the WHO about the new strain and the French were right to close the borders.
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Then why lie? Or are they so used to telling porkies the can’t get out of the habit?
The problem with telling lies all the time is that it calls into question everything they say, including the true stuff. It’s little wonder people do their own thing whether meeting up against the ‘rules’ or panic buying. Who are people to believe? It’s about credibility and these clowns have lost every last shred of that. | | | |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:48 - Dec 21 with 2226 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:46 - Dec 21 by Churchman |
Then why lie? Or are they so used to telling porkies the can’t get out of the habit?
The problem with telling lies all the time is that it calls into question everything they say, including the true stuff. It’s little wonder people do their own thing whether meeting up against the ‘rules’ or panic buying. Who are people to believe? It’s about credibility and these clowns have lost every last shred of that. |
No idea, I've said it was a lie and not defended it.
The situation isn't their fault though. They did the right thing and this was the inevitable consequence.
I tend to disagree with your last sentence, people are responsible for their actions in those cases - the evidence is clear, they can believe the scientists rather than the government.
SB [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 22:49]
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:50 - Dec 21 with 2225 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:37 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Clearly a lie from Boris but hard to see how this is the governments fault?
They were right to tell the WHO about the new strain and the French were right to close the borders.
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How is it the Governments fault?
They lied on TV to give the impression they had it under control | | | |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:54 - Dec 21 with 2194 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:50 - Dec 21 by ElderGrizzly |
How is it the Governments fault?
They lied on TV to give the impression they had it under control |
Indeed and I've agreed they did that.
The situation is what I am talking about - they did the right thing which was contact the WHO and the French did the right thing which is close the border.
The situation in Kent isn't really their fault. Lying about it is weird because for once they did the right thing.
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:55 - Dec 21 with 2177 views | footers |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:54 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Indeed and I've agreed they did that.
The situation is what I am talking about - they did the right thing which was contact the WHO and the French did the right thing which is close the border.
The situation in Kent isn't really their fault. Lying about it is weird because for once they did the right thing.
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This is from a man who told the entire nation he made Routemaster models out of wine crates.
You voted for this, people. Enjoy. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:56 - Dec 21 with 2159 views | SpruceMoose |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:55 - Dec 21 by footers |
This is from a man who told the entire nation he made Routemaster models out of wine crates.
You voted for this, people. Enjoy. |
Christ I'd forgotten that.
And some people still think it would be fun to have a pint with the freak. |  |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:57 - Dec 21 with 2147 views | vapour_trail |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:54 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Indeed and I've agreed they did that.
The situation is what I am talking about - they did the right thing which was contact the WHO and the French did the right thing which is close the border.
The situation in Kent isn't really their fault. Lying about it is weird because for once they did the right thing.
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The maxed up brexit enhanced situation in Kent in a couple of weeks will absolutely be their fault though, when nurses can’t travel to hospitals, teachers can’t travel to schools etc. etc. etc.
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:02 - Dec 21 with 2119 views | footers |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:56 - Dec 21 by SpruceMoose |
Christ I'd forgotten that.
And some people still think it would be fun to have a pint with the freak. |
It's strange how someone can outright lie, while sounding like they're completely lying, and people still believe them. It's incredible.
It's no wonder I drink. | |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:02 - Dec 21 with 2111 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:54 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Indeed and I've agreed they did that.
The situation is what I am talking about - they did the right thing which was contact the WHO and the French did the right thing which is close the border.
The situation in Kent isn't really their fault. Lying about it is weird because for once they did the right thing.
SB |
With the underlying situation on the mutation of Covid, they have known the detail for 2 weeks.
They have for whatever reason delayed for 2 weeks. WHO confirmed this earlier. | | | |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:03 - Dec 21 with 2099 views | Churchman |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:48 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
No idea, I've said it was a lie and not defended it.
The situation isn't their fault though. They did the right thing and this was the inevitable consequence.
I tend to disagree with your last sentence, people are responsible for their actions in those cases - the evidence is clear, they can believe the scientists rather than the government.
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Oh I know you weren’t defending it. Poor post on my part.
I actually agree totally with you about people taking personal responsibility. Some, not all, have shown incredible selfishness and stupidity. I know the choices are hard and sadly that’s why I won’t be seeing my elderly dad for the foreseeable.
But I think govt messaging is critical and where I am coming from is that they are not helping themselves with pointless lies like today | | | |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:05 - Dec 21 with 2086 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:02 - Dec 21 by ElderGrizzly |
With the underlying situation on the mutation of Covid, they have known the detail for 2 weeks.
They have for whatever reason delayed for 2 weeks. WHO confirmed this earlier. |
I'm not defending the government.
All I am saying is that Kent was always going to be clogged when they announced the new strain and the French closed the border.
There was no other possible outcome.
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:05 - Dec 21 with 2083 views | StokieBlue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:03 - Dec 21 by Churchman |
Oh I know you weren’t defending it. Poor post on my part.
I actually agree totally with you about people taking personal responsibility. Some, not all, have shown incredible selfishness and stupidity. I know the choices are hard and sadly that’s why I won’t be seeing my elderly dad for the foreseeable.
But I think govt messaging is critical and where I am coming from is that they are not helping themselves with pointless lies like today |
Totally agree.
The messaging has been shambolic since the start and if we are honest far before that as well.
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:05 - Dec 21 with 2075 views | vapour_trail |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:02 - Dec 21 by ElderGrizzly |
With the underlying situation on the mutation of Covid, they have known the detail for 2 weeks.
They have for whatever reason delayed for 2 weeks. WHO confirmed this earlier. |
This two weeks thing, is there a link to that? | |
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| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 23:13 - Dec 21 with 2031 views | pointofblue |
| Johnson and Shapps were lying earlier on 22:54 - Dec 21 by StokieBlue |
Indeed and I've agreed they did that.
The situation is what I am talking about - they did the right thing which was contact the WHO and the French did the right thing which is close the border.
The situation in Kent isn't really their fault. Lying about it is weird because for once they did the right thing.
SB |
Because they want to sell the image of the M20 being under control - not that it’s a complete mess despite supposed plans being put in place for a No Deal Brexit which they can put in action now. | |
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