| Thought police stuff 18:37 - Dec 28 with 7536 views | giant_stow |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55192786
... With the best of intentions, for sure, but almost pure in its attempt to shape public opinion. This isn't an anti-beeb point btw - just that I was so noticeable and clear. |  |
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| Thought police stuff on 14:11 - Dec 29 with 1726 views | MattinLondon |
| Thought police stuff on 13:05 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
I regularly complain about them |
Which means that they aren’t doing a bad job. |  | | |
| Thought police stuff on 14:19 - Dec 29 with 1712 views | Herbivore |
| Thought police stuff on 13:05 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
I regularly complain about them |
That's hardly a surprise given that you seem to expect them to parrot your own narrow, rather unpleasant world view. I don't think you really understand what their purpose is. Maybe stick to Fox News, mate. |  |
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| Thought police stuff on 14:21 - Dec 29 with 1699 views | SpruceMoose |
| Thought police stuff on 14:11 - Dec 29 by MattinLondon |
Which means that they aren’t doing a bad job. |
Things Paz doesn't complain about:
- Homophonic and racist jokes
- British kids going hungry
- Trump pardoning criminal associates
- JRM punching down on the poor
- His Conservative Party membership fees
- His Romanian girlfriend
- Crashing out of Europe
- Assaulting journalists
- People breaking rules and spreading Covid
- Having an MP who: Admires Pinochet; Thinks maternity leave impacts a woman's ability to do her job; Believes that it's ok to become a member of a Tommy Robinson Facebook fan page which was attempting to collapse a court case regarding abuse of minors; Voted against LGBTQ bills including civil partnerships; Voted against section 28; Is weirdly obsessed with 'pink' passports; Blocked bills to prevent animals from being used in circuses, Is in favour of the death penalty; Is in favour of detaining asylum seekers.
Things Paz does complain about:
- The BBC
- UNICEF providing funding for food for hungry British children
- Marcus Rashford
- BLM
- Taking the knee prior to sporting events
- Foodbanks
- Benefits for the poorest British citizens
- Refugees and asylum seekers
- Other Romanians who aren't his girlfriend
- People being impolite
- People being rude when he tells hem the Pandemic might be some kind of conspiracy
So yeah, the BBC are in some pretty good company there. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 14:33]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Thought police stuff on 15:22 - Dec 29 with 1650 views | BlueBadger |
| Thought police stuff on 12:36 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
If they were a freely funded media organisation then I would absolutely agree with you.
When they are funded by a regressive form of taxation then they should stick to their remit if I’m honest |
I suspect the main issue you have with the Beeb is that they largely report facts, which don't tend to support your disgusting views and are interested, albeit in rather a cack-handed fashion, in giving airtime to people who aren't middle-class white blokes. [Post edited 30 Dec 2020 7:13]
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| Thought police stuff on 15:29 - Dec 29 with 1634 views | gtsb1966 |
| Thought police stuff on 18:41 - Dec 28 by J2BLUE |
I saw that earlier and just thought it's becoming like Heat Magazine on parts of the BBC site. That woman sounds incredibly thick. |
You would though wouldn't you  |  | | |
| Thought police stuff on 19:17 - Dec 29 with 1586 views | SpruceMoose |
| Thought police stuff on 15:22 - Dec 29 by BlueBadger |
I suspect the main issue you have with the Beeb is that they largely report facts, which don't tend to support your disgusting views and are interested, albeit in rather a cack-handed fashion, in giving airtime to people who aren't middle-class white blokes. [Post edited 30 Dec 2020 7:13]
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I think he's classing this as 'the treatment'. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Thought police stuff on 20:48 - Dec 29 with 1550 views | ITFC_1988 |
| Thought police stuff on 14:21 - Dec 29 by SpruceMoose |
Things Paz doesn't complain about:
- Homophonic and racist jokes
- British kids going hungry
- Trump pardoning criminal associates
- JRM punching down on the poor
- His Conservative Party membership fees
- His Romanian girlfriend
- Crashing out of Europe
- Assaulting journalists
- People breaking rules and spreading Covid
- Having an MP who: Admires Pinochet; Thinks maternity leave impacts a woman's ability to do her job; Believes that it's ok to become a member of a Tommy Robinson Facebook fan page which was attempting to collapse a court case regarding abuse of minors; Voted against LGBTQ bills including civil partnerships; Voted against section 28; Is weirdly obsessed with 'pink' passports; Blocked bills to prevent animals from being used in circuses, Is in favour of the death penalty; Is in favour of detaining asylum seekers.
Things Paz does complain about:
- The BBC
- UNICEF providing funding for food for hungry British children
- Marcus Rashford
- BLM
- Taking the knee prior to sporting events
- Foodbanks
- Benefits for the poorest British citizens
- Refugees and asylum seekers
- Other Romanians who aren't his girlfriend
- People being impolite
- People being rude when he tells hem the Pandemic might be some kind of conspiracy
So yeah, the BBC are in some pretty good company there. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 14:33]
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Things Spruce is obsessed with:
Paz |  | | |
| Thought police stuff on 21:09 - Dec 29 with 1530 views | Darth_Koont |
| Thought police stuff on 21:41 - Dec 28 by monytowbray |
Kuennsberg and Peston are embarrassments to Journalism. Both seem to think their job is copying what someone else says and then publishing it without question, then hiding behind the claim of impartiality.
Not to mention both have been completely compromised by inside sources (likely ones that drive to Durham) in favour for such levels of access. Seems all very self-serving in the long run but that's the world we live in, neither will struggle to get a job elsewhere so could they please f*ck off and give up their positions to capable investigative journalists? |
You might be interested in this.
I’ve followed these two for a while and they’re pretty good academic researchers who also run a Media Democracy project.
Anyway this is their 2020 review podcast that I just got round to listening to while I set about some household chores:
https://soundcloud.com/media-democracy-pod/from-a-to-zoom-the-2020-media-democra
Here’s the blurb:
“What a vintage year it's been! Tom and Dan look back on 2020 and talk about the highlights of the UK media's performance. We touch on mainstream satire (bad), the BBC (cosily familiar but also bad), the Murdoch press (very, very bad) and the current state of relations between the media and economic reality (absolutely awful). There's also some talk about what the hell the two hosts have been up to this year.”
TLDR version: If people are concerned about the state of our country and our politicians then media reform is the absolute starting point. |  |
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| Thought police stuff on 22:39 - Dec 29 with 1489 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 14:21 - Dec 29 by SpruceMoose |
Things Paz doesn't complain about:
- Homophonic and racist jokes
- British kids going hungry
- Trump pardoning criminal associates
- JRM punching down on the poor
- His Conservative Party membership fees
- His Romanian girlfriend
- Crashing out of Europe
- Assaulting journalists
- People breaking rules and spreading Covid
- Having an MP who: Admires Pinochet; Thinks maternity leave impacts a woman's ability to do her job; Believes that it's ok to become a member of a Tommy Robinson Facebook fan page which was attempting to collapse a court case regarding abuse of minors; Voted against LGBTQ bills including civil partnerships; Voted against section 28; Is weirdly obsessed with 'pink' passports; Blocked bills to prevent animals from being used in circuses, Is in favour of the death penalty; Is in favour of detaining asylum seekers.
Things Paz does complain about:
- The BBC
- UNICEF providing funding for food for hungry British children
- Marcus Rashford
- BLM
- Taking the knee prior to sporting events
- Foodbanks
- Benefits for the poorest British citizens
- Refugees and asylum seekers
- Other Romanians who aren't his girlfriend
- People being impolite
- People being rude when he tells hem the Pandemic might be some kind of conspiracy
So yeah, the BBC are in some pretty good company there. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 14:33]
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You've just proved his point you wally
All of the above are open to debate if you try and understand why someone you don't agree with has a different opinion. The BBC isn't supposed to be a representative of 'the right way of thinking'. | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 22:43 - Dec 29 with 1478 views | jeera |
| Thought police stuff on 22:39 - Dec 29 by gernon |
You've just proved his point you wally
All of the above are open to debate if you try and understand why someone you don't agree with has a different opinion. The BBC isn't supposed to be a representative of 'the right way of thinking'. |
You've missed the context.
The original point was how the BBC is supposed to be above opinion and is there to offer facts from an objective view.
Some accuse it of being too left whilst ignoring how people of an often dubious persuasion are given equal footing to air their views even when those views are clearly rotten.
That isn't balance.
Edit: and just to be clear, having a racist or homophobic stance on anything is not open to interpretation nor is it a valid position from which to hold a debate. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 22:47]
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| Thought police stuff on 23:05 - Dec 29 with 1457 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 22:43 - Dec 29 by jeera |
You've missed the context.
The original point was how the BBC is supposed to be above opinion and is there to offer facts from an objective view.
Some accuse it of being too left whilst ignoring how people of an often dubious persuasion are given equal footing to air their views even when those views are clearly rotten.
That isn't balance.
Edit: and just to be clear, having a racist or homophobic stance on anything is not open to interpretation nor is it a valid position from which to hold a debate. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 22:47]
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Cheers, I get the context but you've summed it up perfectly.
Your edit is my point. | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:11 - Dec 29 with 1436 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 22:43 - Dec 29 by jeera |
You've missed the context.
The original point was how the BBC is supposed to be above opinion and is there to offer facts from an objective view.
Some accuse it of being too left whilst ignoring how people of an often dubious persuasion are given equal footing to air their views even when those views are clearly rotten.
That isn't balance.
Edit: and just to be clear, having a racist or homophobic stance on anything is not open to interpretation nor is it a valid position from which to hold a debate. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 22:47]
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What is a 'dubious persuasion' by the way?
All right thinking people agree? | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:17 - Dec 29 with 1412 views | SpruceMoose |
| Thought police stuff on 22:39 - Dec 29 by gernon |
You've just proved his point you wally
All of the above are open to debate if you try and understand why someone you don't agree with has a different opinion. The BBC isn't supposed to be a representative of 'the right way of thinking'. |
I just made a list of facts. If people get upset by it... Well they're the wallies. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:23 - Dec 29 with 1404 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 23:17 - Dec 29 by SpruceMoose |
I just made a list of facts. If people get upset by it... Well they're the wallies. |
'Facts'?
Where have you been for the last five years? | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:27 - Dec 29 with 1374 views | SpruceMoose |
| Thought police stuff on 23:23 - Dec 29 by gernon |
'Facts'?
Where have you been for the last five years? |
Perhaps you can point out which items in the list you find so upsetting and then we can go from there. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:34 - Dec 29 with 1358 views | jeera |
| Thought police stuff on 23:05 - Dec 29 by gernon |
Cheers, I get the context but you've summed it up perfectly.
Your edit is my point. |
My edit is your point?
That racism and homophobia are acceptable viewpoints?
I think we're done here. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 23:34]
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| Thought police stuff on 23:39 - Dec 29 with 1343 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 23:27 - Dec 29 by SpruceMoose |
Perhaps you can point out which items in the list you find so upsetting and then we can go from there. |
To be fair you'd know the facts about what that poster has said on here more than me so I accept your view there.
I'm not on here much (partly due to posters like you badger and herbivore, no offence just 'fact').
My point was that your list, I think, was typed in a spirit of dismissiveness: 'Look at what these subjects this bloke has shared his view on before'. (Must have taken a while).
And that kind of judgemental, polarising attitude is kind of what's got us where we are. By that I mean: on the brink of societal collapse, the like of which will make us sighingly nostalgic for a TWTD debate rather than stabbing someone trying to nick the last of our drinking water.
Could you not imagine that given the exact same set of circumstances as Paz, you would have the exact same set of views as him/her? And maybe try to understand them rather than dismiss them? And find some common ground? | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:41 - Dec 29 with 1335 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Thought police stuff on 23:39 - Dec 29 by gernon |
To be fair you'd know the facts about what that poster has said on here more than me so I accept your view there.
I'm not on here much (partly due to posters like you badger and herbivore, no offence just 'fact').
My point was that your list, I think, was typed in a spirit of dismissiveness: 'Look at what these subjects this bloke has shared his view on before'. (Must have taken a while).
And that kind of judgemental, polarising attitude is kind of what's got us where we are. By that I mean: on the brink of societal collapse, the like of which will make us sighingly nostalgic for a TWTD debate rather than stabbing someone trying to nick the last of our drinking water.
Could you not imagine that given the exact same set of circumstances as Paz, you would have the exact same set of views as him/her? And maybe try to understand them rather than dismiss them? And find some common ground? |
Just to clarify, are you saying it is OK to hold racist views if you have been brought up with them? |  |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:43 - Dec 29 with 1319 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 23:41 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Just to clarify, are you saying it is OK to hold racist views if you have been brought up with them? |
No.
Genuine question: when you come across someone with racist views do you feel superior to them? | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:45 - Dec 29 with 1309 views | jeera |
| Thought police stuff on 23:41 - Dec 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Just to clarify, are you saying it is OK to hold racist views if you have been brought up with them? |
Apparently there is common ground to be found with racists otherwise you are judgemental and drive people away who hold those views.
He's pretty much said the same thing in some 3 posts or so now so the picture is fairly clear.
If you dismiss a racist, then you are nasty judgemental person.
Feck me, when did it become a bad thing that common decency overrules as the dominant factor? | |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:50 - Dec 29 with 1291 views | Herbivore |
| Thought police stuff on 23:39 - Dec 29 by gernon |
To be fair you'd know the facts about what that poster has said on here more than me so I accept your view there.
I'm not on here much (partly due to posters like you badger and herbivore, no offence just 'fact').
My point was that your list, I think, was typed in a spirit of dismissiveness: 'Look at what these subjects this bloke has shared his view on before'. (Must have taken a while).
And that kind of judgemental, polarising attitude is kind of what's got us where we are. By that I mean: on the brink of societal collapse, the like of which will make us sighingly nostalgic for a TWTD debate rather than stabbing someone trying to nick the last of our drinking water.
Could you not imagine that given the exact same set of circumstances as Paz, you would have the exact same set of views as him/her? And maybe try to understand them rather than dismiss them? And find some common ground? |
I have no idea who you are or why you've randomly decided to drop in that I'm the reason you don't post, but it's interesting that the thing that prompts you to post is having a pop at those who aren't big on stuff like racism and homophobia and not to challenge racism and homophobia itself. Very interesting in fact. You might want to reflect on why that is. | |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:51 - Dec 29 with 1287 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 23:45 - Dec 29 by jeera |
Apparently there is common ground to be found with racists otherwise you are judgemental and drive people away who hold those views.
He's pretty much said the same thing in some 3 posts or so now so the picture is fairly clear.
If you dismiss a racist, then you are nasty judgemental person.
Feck me, when did it become a bad thing that common decency overrules as the dominant factor? |
I guess I'd question what counts as 'common decency' that's all.
Equality for all, regardless of race, gender, age, etc: agree
Status quo of polarised debate that says 'I'm right and you're wrong' leading to the destruction of the earth: less so. | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:55 - Dec 29 with 1269 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Thought police stuff on 23:43 - Dec 29 by gernon |
No.
Genuine question: when you come across someone with racist views do you feel superior to them? |
I feel grateful for my upbringing. I would not describe that as superiority.
I do find racist views to be wrong and need challenging. There may be some contexts where I would shy away from challenging them, though.
I am confused as to what point you are trying to make.
You agree it is wrong to hold racist views. Does that mean you feel superior to someone who holds them? Confused. Signing off now but will check on on your response tomorrow. | |
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| Thought police stuff on 23:55 - Dec 29 with 1263 views | gernon |
| Thought police stuff on 23:50 - Dec 29 by Herbivore |
I have no idea who you are or why you've randomly decided to drop in that I'm the reason you don't post, but it's interesting that the thing that prompts you to post is having a pop at those who aren't big on stuff like racism and homophobia and not to challenge racism and homophobia itself. Very interesting in fact. You might want to reflect on why that is. |
'You might want to reflect on why that is'
Genuine lol | | | |
| Thought police stuff on 23:57 - Dec 29 with 1252 views | Herbivore |
| Thought police stuff on 23:55 - Dec 29 by gernon |
'You might want to reflect on why that is'
Genuine lol |
You genuinely laughed out loud at that? Wow. Lay off the drink, mate. I know it's Christmas but you're embarrassing yourself here. | |
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