| Cavani ban 16:33 - Dec 31 with 4684 views | Theonlywayisup |
What a joke. Embarrassing. It was dialogue between him and a friend and not offensive in the slightest where they come from. Any snowflake somehow offended by it don't look at it.... I'm offended by the ban.... |  | | |  |
| Cavani ban on 19:18 - Dec 31 with 1346 views | jaykay |
no , ive looked back and cant find your post saying the ban leeds goalkeeper got was a joke. who got a 8 match ban. so the joke is cavani only got a 3 match ban |  |
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| Cavani ban on 19:34 - Dec 31 with 1324 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Cavani ban on 17:11 - Dec 31 by chrismakin |
Genuine question.
How does that offend someone exactly?
I understand the reference and the meaning it represents. However what I dont understand is how it can offend when its between friends. Its acceptable in his country and not a derogatory word and the same word is used throughout the world between friends alot.
Genuinely dont understand where the offence comes into it in comparison to someone using the word in a derogatory way and knowingly to. |
I don't know very much about South or Central American culture. In Spain the "it's fine in our culture" line has also been trotted out for this and similar words. It's "fine" there, we are told.
And this was "fine" too:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-am-not-racist-says-spanish-f1-
It's "not racist" in his culture.
Basically, white Spanish language culture hasn't embraced the need to look at itself critically, yet. | | | |
| Cavani ban on 20:05 - Dec 31 with 1297 views | lowhouseblue |
| Cavani ban on 17:18 - Dec 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not that much different. It was in a public exchange rather than in private.
Had it been a private conversation in private and the individual was genuinely OK with it we would not know about it.
Genuine question.
What gives you the right to determine that those who reported it as offensive should not be offended by it, especially since you "understand the reference and the meaning it represents"? [Post edited 31 Dec 2020 17:19]
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no one has any right not to be offended.
so the question of intent is really the crucial one. if the intent is to use a term so as to belittle, demean or harass another person that is one thing. and it's a serious thing. but, if the intent was something else then that's another matter. whether someone is offended, or brushed it off as a jolly jape, is neither here nor there.
i don't know which applies in this case and i'm not going to form an opinion on the basis of the daily mail.
and, happy new year. |  |
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| Cavani ban on 20:24 - Dec 31 with 1272 views | jeera |
| Cavani ban on 19:34 - Dec 31 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I don't know very much about South or Central American culture. In Spain the "it's fine in our culture" line has also been trotted out for this and similar words. It's "fine" there, we are told.
And this was "fine" too:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-am-not-racist-says-spanish-f1-
It's "not racist" in his culture.
Basically, white Spanish language culture hasn't embraced the need to look at itself critically, yet. |
"Poyet thinks, as others have suggested, that Suarez might have used the word "negrito", and that it was misinterpreted by Evra. "In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest," he explains. "It is not offensive. Such people are part of our society. We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them, and at the same time use that word."
Cos that's not at all patronising.
"It's a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest". Well, quite, isn't that the point? |  |
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| Cavani ban on 21:28 - Dec 31 with 1219 views | Seablu |
| Cavani ban on 20:05 - Dec 31 by lowhouseblue |
no one has any right not to be offended.
so the question of intent is really the crucial one. if the intent is to use a term so as to belittle, demean or harass another person that is one thing. and it's a serious thing. but, if the intent was something else then that's another matter. whether someone is offended, or brushed it off as a jolly jape, is neither here nor there.
i don't know which applies in this case and i'm not going to form an opinion on the basis of the daily mail.
and, happy new year. |
What a load of old guff.
I do intend to belittle you.
I don’t intend to harass you.
The daily mail didn’t influence my decision.
happy easter.
I think that made marginally more sense. |  | | |
| Cavani ban on 21:44 - Dec 31 with 1203 views | lowhouseblue |
| Cavani ban on 21:28 - Dec 31 by Seablu |
What a load of old guff.
I do intend to belittle you.
I don’t intend to harass you.
The daily mail didn’t influence my decision.
happy easter.
I think that made marginally more sense. |
do you really? oh dear. | |
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| Cavani ban on 22:13 - Dec 31 with 1183 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Cavani ban on 20:05 - Dec 31 by lowhouseblue |
no one has any right not to be offended.
so the question of intent is really the crucial one. if the intent is to use a term so as to belittle, demean or harass another person that is one thing. and it's a serious thing. but, if the intent was something else then that's another matter. whether someone is offended, or brushed it off as a jolly jape, is neither here nor there.
i don't know which applies in this case and i'm not going to form an opinion on the basis of the daily mail.
and, happy new year. |
I think that if I get the double negative worked out correctly I don't disagree with your first statement. Or to state it bluntly, it is not for us to decide what offends someone due to comments made relating to their race. You are right.
Intent is not crucial when racist language is used. If intent is clear it can aggravate the offence but for someone to brush off a comment as "it was made in jest" or "just bantz" does not excuse it.
You are right not to rely on any one newspaper's take and especially not that rag's.
However, from the fact that it is clear what he tweeted, that he deleted it promptly and did not contest the charge I think it is clear he did not mean it offensively but that he posted it cannot be ignored. The ban is presumably reduced due to these factors. He should know better and the more publicised these things are the more likely more people will.
Happy New Year to you too. |  |
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| Cavani ban on 11:49 - Jan 1 with 1066 views | Pendejo |
The term he used is one I have to make sure my Colombian wife doesn't inadvertently use in case it offends.
Anything ending with an extraneous "ito" or "ita" is a term of endearment, her name for me ends in "ito".
Living in multicultural London can be stressful, as one could be in a clothes shop discussing, errr, clothes in Spanish and the mere mention of the Spanish word for black can draw accusing eyes from people who do not understand the conversation but hear an "n" word, not the longer work, just simply the Spanish word for black.
So I have sympathy for Cavani, the Suarez case, however, identified how someone can use an innocent term in a highly offensive manner. So Cavani can thank Suarez if they happen to meet up in Montevideo airport. |  |
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| Cavani ban on 12:53 - Jan 1 with 1036 views | Pendejo |
| Cavani ban on 17:24 - Dec 31 by tractordownsouth |
Cavani has decided not to appeal the ban and has apologised for actions, which implies that he thinks the punishment is fair. The only one kicking up a stink is you. |
Implies his employer thinks it's fine, given they were the employer of the player on the receiving end of Suarez incident. | |
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| Cavani ban on 15:34 - Jan 1 with 990 views | Darth_Koont |
Must admit the whole thing looks very odd. And it’s a bit of an indictment on our narrow culture that we somehow can’t see past the North American/UK interpretation of the word which is a completely different context.
Think he should have been advised/warned re: how it was going to be interpreted and his responsibilities now he’s in an English-speaking league. But the idea that it was offensive and he needs banning after the fact seems even more culturally deaf. |  |
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| Cavani ban on 15:36 - Jan 1 with 986 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cavani ban on 11:49 - Jan 1 by Pendejo |
The term he used is one I have to make sure my Colombian wife doesn't inadvertently use in case it offends.
Anything ending with an extraneous "ito" or "ita" is a term of endearment, her name for me ends in "ito".
Living in multicultural London can be stressful, as one could be in a clothes shop discussing, errr, clothes in Spanish and the mere mention of the Spanish word for black can draw accusing eyes from people who do not understand the conversation but hear an "n" word, not the longer work, just simply the Spanish word for black.
So I have sympathy for Cavani, the Suarez case, however, identified how someone can use an innocent term in a highly offensive manner. So Cavani can thank Suarez if they happen to meet up in Montevideo airport. |
I should have read to the end of the thread. Well said - and with a lot more insight too. | |
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| Cavani ban on 17:25 - Jan 4 with 807 views | Theonlywayisup |
Good to see the letter from the Uruguayan football federation. Some of you might want to take a read and educate yourself on Uruguayan culture and Cavani himself. | | | |
| Cavani ban on 17:28 - Jan 4 with 801 views | SpruceMoose |
| Cavani ban on 17:25 - Jan 4 by Theonlywayisup |
Good to see the letter from the Uruguayan football federation. Some of you might want to take a read and educate yourself on Uruguayan culture and Cavani himself. |
Nah. |  |
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| Cavani ban on 17:38 - Jan 4 with 784 views | jeera |
| Cavani ban on 17:25 - Jan 4 by Theonlywayisup |
Good to see the letter from the Uruguayan football federation. Some of you might want to take a read and educate yourself on Uruguayan culture and Cavani himself. |
If you had bothered to read your own thread, you would see the majority agree Cavani wasn't being malicious.
But to suggest the majority need to do their homework in order to justify his comments, rather than for him to educate himself on why much of the rest of the world has moved away from such speak, is daft. | |
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| Cavani ban on 17:54 - Jan 4 with 766 views | Alan_Handsome |
ha ha ha so as long as two people agree they are fine with what they are being called, it's absolutely fine to call them anything under the sun, and it matters not who hears or sees that? [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 17:56]
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