| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:54 - Jan 2 with 2056 views | pointofblue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
No worries at all, she’s doing much better, is up and talking, hoping to be out next week. Thanks for asking.
I know what you’re saying and you are absolutely right, I’m just not comfortable with criminalising people for what they say or write. Surely it’s a better approach to let them say it and then explain to them ...
interesting one here as I know in the Second World War etc it would have been illegal to do / say stuff that could undermine morale so there is a precedent.
I don’t know if this sort of thing should be criminalised or not ... I’m just a bit uncomfortable as to where it could lead |
I think the risk is forcing it underground where it’d become harder to dismiss and argue against - especially as one of the arguments appears to be that they’re trying to be silenced so if it does happen then, to them, it proves their point. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:03 - Jan 2 with 2037 views | Guthrum |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
No worries at all, she’s doing much better, is up and talking, hoping to be out next week. Thanks for asking.
I know what you’re saying and you are absolutely right, I’m just not comfortable with criminalising people for what they say or write. Surely it’s a better approach to let them say it and then explain to them ...
interesting one here as I know in the Second World War etc it would have been illegal to do / say stuff that could undermine morale so there is a precedent.
I don’t know if this sort of thing should be criminalised or not ... I’m just a bit uncomfortable as to where it could lead |
The problem you have with people - especially influential ones - being allowed to say or write what they want in a critical situation is that others will believe and follow them for who they are, rather than because of any valid arguments. They will also disregard counter arguments from people they don't regard as highly, particularly when that latter is something they don't really want to hear (e.g. restrictions).
Obviously, if everyone had been educated to a high level in analysis and critical thinking, they would be able to inform themselves and make accurate judgements. But neither schools policy nor media have been doing that in recent decades. The population have not been well equipped in that regard. Not their fault, just hasn't been done.
When you have a malfunctioning system combined with an immediate emergency, the remedies available are not necessarily the best possible ones. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:13 - Jan 2 with 2027 views | Guthrum |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:54 - Jan 2 by pointofblue |
I think the risk is forcing it underground where it’d become harder to dismiss and argue against - especially as one of the arguments appears to be that they’re trying to be silenced so if it does happen then, to them, it proves their point. |
Tho if you force it far enough underground, becomes much harder to propagate, too. People are less likely to stumble across it, let alone seeing stuff sprayed all over mainstream outlets and endorsed by significant numbers of influencers or their own friends. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:14 - Jan 2 with 2023 views | jontysnut |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:38 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
Put it this way. ITU capacity is full, regionally right now, despite a cessation in elective surgery. |
Absolutely. I wish the Toby Youngs and Alison Pearsons of this world could be shown the reality |  | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:16 - Jan 2 with 2018 views | J2BLUE |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
No worries at all, she’s doing much better, is up and talking, hoping to be out next week. Thanks for asking.
I know what you’re saying and you are absolutely right, I’m just not comfortable with criminalising people for what they say or write. Surely it’s a better approach to let them say it and then explain to them ...
interesting one here as I know in the Second World War etc it would have been illegal to do / say stuff that could undermine morale so there is a precedent.
I don’t know if this sort of thing should be criminalised or not ... I’m just a bit uncomfortable as to where it could lead |
Good stuff, hope she's home soon. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:17 - Jan 2 with 2021 views | tractordownsouth |
I love it when No Deal Brexiters oppose restrictions because they “don’t want to crash the economy”, without any irony whatsoever.
Basically, they just support whatever is going to help them earn the most money and sod everyone else. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:18 - Jan 2 with 2018 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:54 - Jan 2 by pointofblue |
I think the risk is forcing it underground where it’d become harder to dismiss and argue against - especially as one of the arguments appears to be that they’re trying to be silenced so if it does happen then, to them, it proves their point. |
However, if it's forced 'underground' it's a lot harder to 'accidentally' and draw in more people. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:22 - Jan 2 with 2002 views | Darth_Koont |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:13 - Jan 2 by Guthrum |
Tho if you force it far enough underground, becomes much harder to propagate, too. People are less likely to stumble across it, let alone seeing stuff sprayed all over mainstream outlets and endorsed by significant numbers of influencers or their own friends. |
Indeed. There are always going to be people with weird beliefs and prejudices.
It’s when these beliefs are normalised on mainstream media and social media platforms, and by mainstream politicians and influencers, that they become most dangerous. And I’ve not seen nearly enough of this stuff debunked or fading in the sunlight - quite the opposite, its presence has created a false equivalence.
Next stop, the Great Identity War of 2021-2024. I think that may even be reaching a new low too. [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 13:24]
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:23 - Jan 2 with 1997 views | tractordownsouth |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:14 - Jan 2 by jontysnut |
Absolutely. I wish the Toby Youngs and Alison Pearsons of this world could be shown the reality |
There’s a brilliant twitter thread exposing all the dangerous nonsense that Pearson has been spewing*
* Disclaimer: I’m not saying we should have followed the lead of the authoritarian Chinese state, but the criticisms of Pearson are bang on.
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:24 - Jan 2 with 1987 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |
Companies aren't people. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:25 - Jan 2 with 1984 views | footers |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:23 - Jan 2 by tractordownsouth |
There’s a brilliant twitter thread exposing all the dangerous nonsense that Pearson has been spewing*
* Disclaimer: I’m not saying we should have followed the lead of the authoritarian Chinese state, but the criticisms of Pearson are bang on.
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How Allisson Pearson even has a job as a journalist god only knows. Gives the rest of us hope, I suppose. |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:28 - Jan 2 with 1981 views | m14_blue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 11:30 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
There’s a very fine line there ... preventing people from writing things is creeping into thought police territory ... no matter how strongly you disagree with what they’re saying |
But things like this will cost British lives, and he’s doing it for financial gain.
It’s despicable.
Would you be ok with people going public with British troop positions/plans etc during a war? I really don’t see this as much different.
A line has to be drawn somewhere and I’m very comfortable that compromising public health in the middle of a pandemic is WAY over that line. | | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:32 - Jan 2 with 1965 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 12:52 - Jan 2 by gtsb1966 |
It wont bankrupt Greene King or the likes though will it who happily supply cheap beer whilst their tenants go under. You can't blame Wetherspoons for everything that is wrong in the pub trade. |
I can blame them for fuelling and exacerbating it, though. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:32 - Jan 2 with 1959 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:24 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose |
Companies aren't people. |
In a pedantic mood today I see! |  |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:35 - Jan 2 with 1951 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:28 - Jan 2 by m14_blue |
But things like this will cost British lives, and he’s doing it for financial gain.
It’s despicable.
Would you be ok with people going public with British troop positions/plans etc during a war? I really don’t see this as much different.
A line has to be drawn somewhere and I’m very comfortable that compromising public health in the middle of a pandemic is WAY over that line. |
That’s why I mentioned about the Second World War ... obviously publishing troop positions and stuff would be well out of order but I think it went further, basically anything that could dampen morale was illegal. I guess at times needs must, maybe this is one of those times. I was just saying it makes me uncomfortable | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:39 - Jan 2 with 1945 views | Darth_Koont |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:25 - Jan 2 by footers |
How Allisson Pearson even has a job as a journalist god only knows. Gives the rest of us hope, I suppose. |
These people are too many to mention in the British media and on the fringe of our politics. But yeah, Pearson is easily one of the worst.
But the quicker we cotton on to the disingenuous grifters and click baiters the better. I remember pointing out Maajid Nawaz a while back and some getting agitated by that - but people calling him out has seen him push into loon territory in order to still have an effect. The more they’re challenged the more they reveal themselves. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:39 - Jan 2 with 1946 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:28 - Jan 2 by m14_blue |
But things like this will cost British lives, and he’s doing it for financial gain.
It’s despicable.
Would you be ok with people going public with British troop positions/plans etc during a war? I really don’t see this as much different.
A line has to be drawn somewhere and I’m very comfortable that compromising public health in the middle of a pandemic is WAY over that line. |
The fact that he's on the same side as Paz is what is crucial here. As he's demonstrated time after time, anything can be excused so long as it comes from his own team. There's absolutely no moral or logical consistency applied to situations. It's a never ending loop of mental gymnastics and the only time an opinion is ever slightly reconsidered is when something happens in the real world that actually impacts Paz directly.
This time we get told that any attempt to prevent the spread of lies and misinformation of Big Chief Gammon as a shocking attack on the freedom of speech, but previously, showing BLM support in the form of taking a knee at EFL matches is frowned upon.
Come on, it's not hard to see what the real motivation always is. [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 13:59]
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:40 - Jan 2 with 1945 views | m14_blue |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:35 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
That’s why I mentioned about the Second World War ... obviously publishing troop positions and stuff would be well out of order but I think it went further, basically anything that could dampen morale was illegal. I guess at times needs must, maybe this is one of those times. I was just saying it makes me uncomfortable |
That’s fair enough.
I think we’ve all been forced to accept things in the last 9 months that we would previously have found unconscionable.
Whatever the legalities are/should be though I think this is demonstrable proof that Tim Martin values the pound in his pocket over the lives of his customers. Not a great look.
Glad to hear your nan is improving. | | | |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:41 - Jan 2 with 1942 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:32 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
In a pedantic mood today I see! |
Not at all. Citizens United shows the horror show that happens when you give business the same rights as people. It's not a concept that should be encouraged. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:42 - Jan 2 with 1930 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:39 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose |
The fact that he's on the same side as Paz is what is crucial here. As he's demonstrated time after time, anything can be excused so long as it comes from his own team. There's absolutely no moral or logical consistency applied to situations. It's a never ending loop of mental gymnastics and the only time an opinion is ever slightly reconsidered is when something happens in the real world that actually impacts Paz directly.
This time we get told that any attempt to prevent the spread of lies and misinformation of Big Chief Gammon as a shocking attack on the freedom of speech, but previously, showing BLM support in the form of taking a knee at EFL matches is frowned upon.
Come on, it's not hard to see what the real motivation always is. [Post edited 2 Jan 2021 13:59]
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I’m not going to bite so you’re wasting your time | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:44 - Jan 2 with 1926 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:42 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
I’m not going to bite so you’re wasting your time |
I wasn't talking to you to be fair, therefore your response was neither sought nor required. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:46 - Jan 2 with 1917 views | 26_Paz |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:44 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose |
I wasn't talking to you to be fair, therefore your response was neither sought nor required. |
The entirety of your post was about me. You need to find a hobby or something | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:46 - Jan 2 with 1916 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:46 - Jan 2 by 26_Paz |
The entirety of your post was about me. You need to find a hobby or something |
Funny way of not biting. Move on. | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:47 - Jan 2 with 1916 views | BlueBadger |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:44 - Jan 2 by SpruceMoose |
I wasn't talking to you to be fair, therefore your response was neither sought nor required. |
Am I the only person here who mentally added a 'good day sir!' to that? | |
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| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:48 - Jan 2 with 1911 views | SpruceMoose |
| Reasons to boycott Wetherspoons part 4708403275962765278465425826 on 13:47 - Jan 2 by BlueBadger |
Am I the only person here who mentally added a 'good day sir!' to that? |
Could have gone with 'mate'. | |
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